Literotica’s All-time ‘most Votes/Comments Received’ List

[TxRad]

It doesn't make much sinse to me either. Maybe it's this person's friends or something. Hell I have a incest story with 457,000 votes, where is it on this bull-shit list?

BUT BUT BUTT

If he put those stories on his list he wouldn't be first, which is the point of the whole thread in his mind anyway. He can't get on the normal lists like everyone else, he has to be special.

Can anyone say little yellow bus.

 

[Guest]

Whoa. I so wasn't going to rib you on the incest thing. But seriously, they have kids? Three girls, no less! When will we be getting the sequel, Grand/Daddy, I spluttered through my cleft palate?

BWAH!

Brilliant post.

 

[Many Feathers]

lol....

BWAH!

Brilliant post.

 

[Guest]

Evening, Sandman.

You could have knocked me over with one of your feathers when I saw KM posting again. Scouries has no idea who she is, of course. Jesus. She wrote many of the Lit FAQs herself!

What a twit! And my story, now included in his marvelous list, is continuing to lose ground. Good thing I don't stress about that anymore.

I'm curious what she'll do when he doesn't remove her name.

 

[Many Feathers]

Lol...

Evening, Sandman.

You could have knocked me over with one of your feathers when I saw KM posting again. Scouries has no idea who she is, of course. Jesus. She wrote many of the Lit FAQs herself!

What a twit! And my story, now included in his marvelous list, is continuing to lose ground. Good thing I don't stress about that anymore.

I'm curious what she'll do when he doesn't remove her name.

I know what you mean, saw KM had posted and nearly fainted myself.

And funny...when I removed all my stories under Thesandman, I only reposted a small portion of them, guess I should have had Laurel reinstate all my other "E" stories too...ah well.

 

[scouries]

another old timer...

Hi, its [size=+2]Gabby[/size] again,

WOW! Another old timer has popped up. It’s sorta becoming old home week or something.

Welcome Mister

[size=+2]L. A. WICKER[/SIZE]​

In response to your post sir I can only say how happy we are that at least one of your stories has qualified. But how come you didn’t answer the request I sent you back when I was first making the list? I was pretty sure you were good enough to be on it but when I didn’t hear back I just assumed you were either dead or had become a hermit.

Anyway I’m so glad your wonderful story ROSE (I’m sure that must be the one that has over 1000 votes) has qualified for our list. Do you have any others. Maybe PROM NIGHT? Or TAKING MICHELLE & TINA OR MOM? For those of you who don’t know Mr. Wicker he has many, many stories on the TOP 500 MOST READ list. He could be fairly described as a ‘legend in his own time’.

Please send me the audited vote numbers for the story sir and once verified I’ll add your name to the list. Your story will become the one hundredth so honored. Which is quite a feat in itself. I’ve already heard from many of our members since you posted yesterday – they’re all delighted you’ll be joining us.

I’ll also put the club rules and regulations in an e-mail to you along with all the details on our February meetings. Being a Georgian I’m sure you’re already familiar with beautiful Florida.

See you soon,

Gabrielle L.
literotican…actress…threadmaster’s assistant…lover…and
assistant accountant reporting to mr. tex…and
deputy art director reporting to miss kat (I’m in charge of bananas)…and
official committee member
literotica royalty distribution committee…and
director of scouriesworld translation services…and finally
secretary, 1000+ VOTE CLUB
collins avenue
miami beach, florida

 

[scouries]

one of the wise ones??? excellant!

Hi, its [size=+2]Gabby[/size] again,

Dear

[size=+2]Miss Muffin[/SIZE]​

Boy, you sure got a reputation! You certainly got at least a couple of AHers pretty scared of you. After reading the posts about you we at ScouriesWorld don’t know whether to run for the hills or bow down at your feet.

However, the boss was sure glad to see CLUBMEMBER SWEETSUBSARAHH’s comment that you wrote much of the FAQ’s for the site. As you may or may not know the boss has had a few questions about the site (as well as a few suggestions to improve it) so was quite happy to hear we may have finally located one of the LITEROTICA’s infamous

“T W E L V E ___W I S E ___O N E S”

​

By any chance do you answer questions ma’am? All of us at ScouriesWorld understand that the ROYALS are far too busy to answer every question but maybe one of you WISE ONES might have more time. I’ve been told anonymously that Miss Hynde is also one of the twelve but then someone else said she was a ROYAL PRINCESS and not one of the twelve. So who knows?

Are all the “WISE ONES” women ma’am? Like one of those coven things? That would certainly explain a lot of things that have been going on on the contest front. Is there a list somewhere? If not maybe you could post one.

Anyway, you did know about: The addition to the way the website is run that Laurel and Manu introduced a few years ago---namely that the first page people see when they click on a category rotates to prevent things like "A My Name Is Alice" racking up a bajillion reads and Z titled stories rarely getting read---is enough of a boost to the readership of my stories to satisfy me. That’s all it took?

I guess you have some Z titled stories do you ma’am? It’s weird but maybe that change also helped the boss – he has a V titled story (Valentine Siblings) and a T titled story (Two Pregnant Moms…) that have done very well and are on the 1000+ VOTE list. So I agree - that was a very good improvement by L+M!

By any chance do you know how a VIEW is defined on this site miss muffin? That’s one of the questions that aren’t explained in the FAQs and the boss is curious about. If you don’t know maybe you could ask at the next meeting of the group. We have a few other questions too but lets leave them for now.

The boss also asked me to suggest to you that you come down a couple of days early for the club confab in February and the two of you could grab some quality time to huddle and discuss some of the pressing questions facing us as we march into the LITEROTICAN future.

Anyway, we’ll talk again soon,

Gabrielle L.
literotican…actress…threadmaster’s assistant…lover…and
assistant accountant reporting to mr. tex…and
deputy art director reporting to miss kat (I’m in charge of bananas)…and
official committee member
literotica royalty distribution committee…and
director of scouriesworld translation services…and finally
secretary, 1000+ VOTE CLUB
collins avenue
miami beach, florida

 

[TxRad]

Scouries and Gabby the blowup alter ego,

A view is a very simple concept. Someone clicks the mouse button on your story. Period. It is not a read or a sale. it is simply a mouse click and nothing more. Everyone but you seems to get the concept.

Do you have any other stupid questions?

 

[scouries]

new member...new member

Hi, it’s [size=+2]Gabby[/size] again,

* * * MORE REALLY GREAT NEWS * * *​

A new member was welcomed into the 1000+ VOTE CLUB today:

[SIZE=+2]Many Feathers[/SIZE]

for his story

[SIZE=+2]My Three Sisters – And Mom[/SIZE]​

Mr. Feathers becomes the 51st member of our little club and his stories brings our total to 100 1000+ vote stories so far discovered. This induction is a special case as the story was originally published under the LITEROTICA name of TheSandman. After receiving more than 1000 VOTES TheSandman removed his story, cancelled his name and then, like a phoenix was reborn as Many Feathers. So, although his story, which were republished here, doesn’t presently have 1000 votes, Mr Feathers has provided documentary proof it once did, proof that was confirmed by Manu the Magnificent. On our present list Mr Feathers story will simply be listed as having 1000 votes.

Literotica Author of the Year in 2002, and multiple winner of both turquoise [size=+2]W’s[/size] and green [size=+2]E’s[/size], it is with great pleasure we welcome this brilliant author into our midst.

Congratulations and welcome from all your fellow club members!!!

Please read this man’s stories!

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Hi, its [size=+2]Gabby[/size] again,

Dear

[size=+2]Miss Muffin[/SIZE]​

Boy, you sure got a reputation! You certainly got at least a couple of AHers pretty scared of you. After reading the posts about you we at ScouriesWorld don’t know whether to run for the hills or bow down at your feet.

However, the boss was sure glad to see CLUBMEMBER SWEETSUBSARAHH’s comment that you wrote much of the FAQ’s for the site. As you may or may not know the boss has had a few questions about the site (as well as a few suggestions to improve it) so was quite happy to hear we may have finally located one of the LITEROTICA’s infamous

“T W E L V E ___W I S E ___O N E S”

​

By any chance do you answer questions ma’am? All of us at ScouriesWorld understand that the ROYALS are far too busy to answer every question but maybe one of you WISE ONES might have more time. I’ve been told anonymously that Miss Hynde is also one of the twelve but then someone else said she was a ROYAL PRINCESS and not one of the twelve. So who knows?

Are all the “WISE ONES” women ma’am? Like one of those coven things? That would certainly explain a lot of things that have been going on on the contest front. Is there a list somewhere? If not maybe you could post one.

Anyway, you did know about: The addition to the way the website is run that Laurel and Manu introduced a few years ago---namely that the first page people see when they click on a category rotates to prevent things like "A My Name Is Alice" racking up a bajillion reads and Z titled stories rarely getting read---is enough of a boost to the readership of my stories to satisfy me. That’s all it took?

I guess you have some Z titled stories do you ma’am? It’s weird but maybe that change also helped the boss – he has a V titled story (Valentine Siblings) and a T titled story (Two Pregnant Moms…) that have done very well and are on the 1000+ VOTE list. So I agree - that was a very good improvement by L+M!

By any chance do you know how a VIEW is defined on this site miss muffin? That’s one of the questions that aren’t explained in the FAQs and the boss is curious about. If you don’t know maybe you could ask at the next meeting of the group. We have a few other questions too but lets leave them for now.

The boss also asked me to suggest to you that you come down a couple of days early for the club confab in February and the two of you could grab some quality time to huddle and discuss some of the pressing questions facing us as we march into the LITEROTICAN future.

Anyway, we’ll talk again soon,

Gabrielle L.
literotican…actress…threadmaster’s assistant…lover…and
assistant accountant reporting to mr. tex…and
deputy art director reporting to miss kat (I’m in charge of bananas)…and
official committee member
literotica royalty distribution committee…and
director of scouriesworld translation services…and finally
secretary, 1000+ VOTE CLUB
collins avenue
miami beach, florida

Are you a bigger asshole than most of us took you for?

KillerM made a very polite request to be disassociated with this thread, and gave her reasons.

In your boorish and offensive way, you have chosen to demonstrate - yet again- the unattractive side of your character.

Feel free to play with the loons who continue to humor your inflated ego but please, respect those who wish to be no part of your snakeoil sales pitch.

I thought you were amusing, but now I have lost all respect for you.

 

[elfin_odalisque]

For those who missed it.

For those who missed it, here is scouries reply to my above post. Seems he now prefers to randomly pepper responses around the forums.

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miss odalisque...

Clearly miss elfin odalisque didn’t have a great thanksgiving. First this junk about the muffin woman and now some untruths about the moonman.

miss odalisque wrote on my other thread: KillerM made a very polite request to be disassociated with this thread, and gave her reasons.
I don’t want to muss up that other thread with pettiness miss odalisque (its purpose is to highlight our great writers). I’d much prefer in future if you used that thread to send feedback to our club members on their wonderful stories. So instead I’ve decided I’ll answer you here.

To the best I can remember I’ve never read one of miss muffins stories before nor read a post she’d made. I didn’t even recognize her name when I saw the post she made on my thread and had to check with Gabby to make sure she was even on the 1000+ VOTE club list. Gabby confirmed she was and also confirmed that she had sent a PM to miss muffin when the list was being prepared and had never received a reply from her.

So what follows is miss muffins first words to us:

MISS MUFFIN opened by writing: I'm not into post bumping, but this thread doesn't appear as if it's going to die anyway and I don't wanna do this email so here we are.

To scouries or whatever:

Please remove me from your, um, whatever.

Now I don’t know how you define polite on whatever planet you come from miss odalisque but from where I hail from the above would never, ever be considered polite. Quite simply it is RUDE. You know it and I know it. It was meant to be RUDE. The above RUDE words were chosen carefully by an award winning writer who wanted to be RUDE. It was an intended insult and I responded in kind. And I’ll make no apologies for that. I’m getting tired of this kind of bullshit.

You end ma’am by writing: …but now I have lost all respect for you.

The feeling is mutual ma’am – what can be worse than someone who misrepresents something just so she can make a few points with her friends. “Look guys, see how I dissed that ass scouries”. Lying so that she’ll get a few pats on the back for defending the status quo. It’s so easy to pick on the little guy miss odalisque.

I may be an ‘asshole’, ‘boorish’, ‘offensive’, ‘unattractive’, ‘snakeoil’ salesman ma’am but isn’t it strange that invariably its you high and mighties who start slinging the epithets?

I know there is a history here of trying to silence everyone that has an attitude or opinion that isn’t held by the majority. I also am quite familiar with the bodies of those you’ve trampled in your quest for AH purity. The many you’ve driven away. The tears shed by those who can’t stand up to your assaults.

And now you’re ready to run me off?

Thanks for a great holiday post ma’am.
*****


RE the 1000+ Vote LIST:The list is simply a list. It doesn’t insult anyone nor is it flawed. It simply reports public info in an organized manner. While not 100% comprehensive due to fact that Gabby doesn’t have access to data on every story, what is on it is 100% correct. And she has, and continues to, work as hard as possible to improve it.

Not one of you would make a peep if Manu the Magnificent produced the official TOP 500 MOST VOTES RECEIVED LIST. You’d look at it or not. Just as you look or don’t look at the MOST READ or HIGHEST RATED LISTS. As you look or don’t look at the various CATEGORY lists.

No one would ask to be removed from it. Nor would the ROYALS accede to any such demand. That is now the official position taken by yours truly. If a story of yours has 1000+ votes and we know about it we’ll put that story up. Pure and simple. No exceptions.

It means as much and as little as any other LITEROTICA list.

Lets all admit it. Bullshit aside, the real problem with the list is that I produced it. And that I’m on it. Period.

Gabrielle and I would happily cede ownership of the list to L+M. All they have to do is push the button and produce the 100% accurate OFFICIAL list. All arguments about it would die. Talk to them.

james r scouries

 

[elfin_odalisque]

I thought KM’s post not rude, but a quite natural reaction of indignation at someone who had invaded her ‘personal space’ without as much as a ‘by your leave’.

Your response to her merely confirms you have the interpersonal skills of Vlad the Impaler.

On the subject of this thread:

FREEDOM – One of the overarching themes of this site is Freedom. Not just the freedom to publish erotic stories to a global audience, but a full support of free speech and individual freedom.

The owners here give contributing authors more freedom and control than most publishers – POD or otherwise – even a lot of online sites.

A writer has 100% control and copyright from the moment of submission. She can edit, withdraw, choose not to allow public comments and suppress voting. The author can publish his story anywhere else and can withdraw it from the site at a moment’s notice.

Despite that, the management will expend time and money, on the author’s behalf, aggressively pursuing plagiarising sites.

Question – Mr Scouries, how does anything you postulate accord with the libertarian ethos of the owners of Lit?



VOTING – In November 2004, John Kerry got 59 million votes and lost. In Dixie, Bill Sowberry got 399 votes and won a new 4 year mandate as Sheriff. Just to prove that votes are relative and little measure of success.

Lit’s voting systems are antediluvian to say the least, but they work – kind of. The main purpose is to give readers a steer on what is well regarded. The colored squares, the contests and all the hoop-la are an effort to create publicity.

In general, submissions on the Top 500 are better than those that aren’t – but depending on category. The equation between score and number of votes relative to the category (see Kerry above) is a rough guide that a lot of readers use.

Question – Mr Scouries, given 1million Lit members and therefore probably up to 10 million lurkers, how does having votes of less than 0.1% of the surfers rank as a success?



AH – The composition of this group – you call a mafia – has changed nearly completely in my time here. Sure, there are some old statues gathering dust in the recesses (no names, no pack drill) but they can be pretty useful when you need some help.

Yes, of course they RVC in contests – writers understand why that is important, more than non-writers – but, without any knowledge, I would bet that they would just move over a poor story rather than being harsh or compromising themselves.

Question-Mr Scouries, in my experience, the AH (and the SF) has been more than welcoming to anyone who has ventured in. Why do you think you have not been given the courtesy you clearly believe your onanistic talent deserves?



LIBERTY – Every author has the right to request or decline comments and feedback on their work. It is not up to you, or anyone else, to interfere with them or use them in some attack on the site that supports you.

Question – Mr Scouries, if you are so contemptuous of Literotica and all the members, why do you bother to post stories, start threads and have a complex against people who are more popular writers than you? Simply, why are you here?

 

[babyfuckmommyplz]

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xmxmxmxmxm

 

[ennuye]

RE the 1000+ Vote LIST[/b]:The list is simply a list. It doesn’t insult anyone...It simply reports public info in an organized manner...It means as much and as little as any other LITEROTICA list...Lets all admit it. Bullshit aside, the real problem with the list is that I produced it. And that I’m on it. Period.

In all honesty, I read something like this, and I don't know if you're sincere, or not.

But, giving you the benefit of the doubt, here is a sincere response.

Speaking only for myself, I don't mind the list, itself. If it were presented in the spirit of just another way of looking at success on the site, it wouldn't irk me in the least.

What rubs this author the wrong way is not your list of stories that have racked up a high number of votes, but the context in which you frame your "simple" list: with claims that a number of votes or views means your story is better than the stories written by all the authors whose stories don't garner as many clicks and votes.

Here are a few samples of the self-congratulatory rhetoric I'm talking about:

Before complaining about lack of feedback perhaps our authors should read some of these stories and try to learn how some of the greatest authors have managed to garner feedback.

...I’m presently in the process of having my girl send out messages and e-mails to Literotica’s greatest living authors in my quest to find even more of these extraordinary stories...

...I’ll reintroduce the topic and remind you all that the point of this thread was to honor LITEROTICA’S GREATEST AUTHORS.


Your equating of stories with high numbers of clicks and votes with “Literotica's greatest authors” and “greatest stories,” is insulting. This site, and the numerous authors who contribute stories to it, offer a wide range of reading material to a broad audience. Some seek titillation and immediate gratification, and will gravitate toward the categories and titles and authors they know or hope will assure them of a good sticky climax by the end of the second page. Some, on the other hand, seek a compelling story that will make them anxious and afraid, make them laugh, make them pensive and, possibly, make them come by the end of page seven or chapter three.

When you proclaim yourself and your brand of erotica “greater” than authors and stories in the other realm, you do, actually, obviously insult people. When all the authors who spend hours that could be passed with lovers and children or advancing other careers fine-tuning a story that they believe in, then read your declaration that you are the greatest author on Literotica, the gag reflex kicks in. This shouldn't stun you in any way. As an author who likes to weave details about vintage and varietal into your stories, I'm sure you grasp that the fact that even a third-tier soda company sells more cans of bargain-brand carbonated fructose than a renowned vineyard does of its prize wines. It doesn't make grape Shasta “greater” than a fine wine.

My point being, numbers don't make one author 'greater' than another. That goes for number of votes, and for vote average. If someone with twelve votes and an average of 5.00 was on the boards every day saying he was the shit, I'd be saying the same thing. But they're not.

You call bullshit on our response to your list. I call bullshit on your bogus rationale for our reaction.

There are many, many authors on this site who are more popular than I am. They get more views. More votes. More comments. Higher scores. They are higher on the favorites list. But I don't resent them. And I sure as shit don't play the flame-game with them on the boards. I admire them. I read their stories, and ask myself whether their approaches to story-telling can fruitfully inform my own efforts.

The only difference between them and you (as far as my reaction goes, anyway) is your self-promoting, inflammatory rhetoric in your threads.

I spend time in this environment. In this community. I view it as a fostering, sustaining, supportive place to enjoy improving my writing, and hopefully helping others. If you're going to poison it every day, I'm not just going to take it in silence.

I suspect others feel the same way, and that is why you are on the receiving end of so much animosity.

It's not envy, man. To pretend that's the problem is the real bullshit, here.

 

[scouries]

vlad???

Miss odalisque, a quick reply to the start of your post. When I get time I’ll reply to the rest of it on my other thread as it doesn’t pertain to the topic here. In future I ask that you please keep your posts on this thread to story feedback on one of the stories on the list. Thanks!

QUOTE I thought KM’s post not rude, but a quite natural reaction of indignation at someone who had invaded her ‘personal space’ without as much as a ‘by your leave’.

What are you talking about lady? Invading her ‘personal space’? We produced a list. Of the TOP VOTE getting stories of all time. Most authors were quite complimented to be on it. It is hard to conceive of anyone being upset to have his/her story simply being mentioned as one of the top vote getters of all time.

As I said before, it’s not the message, it’s the messenger that certain people object to.

And in fact my dear there was a ‘by your leave’. Gabby sent miss muffin a quite polite note which was never answered. If you'd like to read it I believe the fair selena posted a similar note earlier in the thread.

Anyway, at least now you’re no longer claiming the woman’s post was polite! That’s a start.

QUOTE Your response to her merely confirms you have the interpersonal skills of Vlad the Impaler. Please lady no more of these damn non-human stories! The site is being overrun with the bloody things.

Jrs

 

[elfin_odalisque]

Miss odalisque, a quick reply to the start of your post. When I get time I’ll reply to the rest of it on my other thread as it doesn’t pertain to the topic here. In future I ask that you please keep your posts on this thread to story feedback on one of the stories on the list. Thanks!

QUOTE I thought KM’s post not rude, but a quite natural reaction of indignation at someone who had invaded her ‘personal space’ without as much as a ‘by your leave’.

What are you talking about lady? Invading her ‘personal space’? We produced a list. Of the TOP VOTE getting stories of all time. Most authors were quite complimented to be on it. It is hard to conceive of anyone being upset to have his/her story simply being mentioned as one of the top vote getters of all time.

As I said before, it’s not the message, it’s the messenger that certain people object to.

And in fact my dear there was a ‘by your leave’. Gabby sent miss muffin a quite polite note which was never answered. If you'd like to read it I believe the fair selena posted a similar note earlier in the thread.

Anyway, at least now you’re no longer claiming the woman’s post was polite! That’s a start.

QUOTE Your response to her merely confirms you have the interpersonal skills of Vlad the Impaler. Please lady no more of these damn non-human stories! The site is being overrun with the bloody things.

Jrs

Yet again, showing your ignorance, Vlad was a truly flesh and blood creature - his victims could confirm..

You dodge and dive and fail to understand simple words. For the last time I will mention her, KM gave you no permission to use her details (you confirm that), so you are breaching copyright, compromizing privacy and generally behaving as the hooligan you want to be regarded as. Her post was not rude - just exasperated.

Again I repeat, this is not a feedback thread. No-one with a sense of propriety would comment on stories unless the author had asked for replies.

By not answering here the pertinent questions I posed, you show yourself up as the shamus and snakeoil bully I correctly called you. Ennuye has you taped and few others seem bothered to even reply to you.

Think about it.

 

[drksideofthemoon]

What are you talking about lady? Invading her ‘personal space’? We produced a list. Of the TOP VOTE getting stories of all time. Most authors were quite complimented to be on it. It is hard to conceive of anyone being upset to have his/her story simply being mentioned as one of the top vote getters of all time.

Why is it hard for you to understand that some people wouldn't want to be included on your list. I am one of them. I was happy just writing and posting my stories, I reveled in my anonimity. Unlike you, I never ballyhooed my number of hits, votes, scores etc. I have always opted out of the year end contests, and turned voting off on my stories for a short period of time to disqualify them from the monthly contests.

Let's take a look at your first post in this thread.

I have started this thread for the following reasons: One, to bring to the attention of all LITEROTICANS the most voted on stories in the history of this site in the hopes that new readers will be found for these great stories.

The Second (and more important goal) is to provoke FEEDBACK on these stories, both on this thread and also directly to the authors themselves via VOTES, E-MAILS and PUBLIC COMMENTS. Please feel free to post your feedback here.

Thirdly I hope the thread will encourage feedback on other stories. Perhaps the #1 complaint of all Literotica authors is the lack of feedback they receive on their stories. The listed stories prove that it is possible to get feedback on this site. Every story listed below has been able to garner the attention and feedback from over 1000 readers! Before complaining about lack of feedback perhaps our authors should read some of these stories and try to learn how some of the greatest authors have managed to garner feedback.

james r scouries

I wasn't interested in trying to increase the number of views, votes, feedback on my work, I was happy with way the things were. I didn't need any help from you or anyone else attracting readers to my work.

I don't leave feedback for other writers unless it is asked for. Nor am I interested in receiving any unsolicited feedback for my work.

Thirdly, I never considered myself one of Literotica's greatest writers, I don't even consider myself a writer. By including me in your "Club", I felt that you were using me, and my work to legitimize your own work.

In short, I don't believe number of votes equates to quality, nor do I find any correlation between number of "reads" and quality.

If I decide to resubmit any of my work to Lit, it will have voting, and comments turned off. My sense of accomplishment comes from writing, not from useless numbers.

 

[lloyd_5]

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[scouries]

praise the lord…

I’ll say it again: PRAISE THE LORD

the MOONMAN is alive!!!!​

And here I was losing sleep over your absence. Accused of sending you to that other far away place.

I had a nightmare the other night; awoke sweating, crying at the horrific vision I’d seen. Twenty-five enraged, topless females, middle aged romance writers, chasing yours truly across the burning sand of South Beach, a posse ready to lynch me from the first lifeguard shack they found. Their white breasts flopping angrily as they ran, spittle flying from their mouths… ready to take revenge for the death of the moonman…it was horrible! And you were alive the whole bloody time!

Anyway guy I just want to say I’m glad you’re ok and back making no nonsense observations on the vagaries of LITEROTICA life.

on SCOURIES and the MOONMAN​

I’ve never met the moonman. I first stumbled upon him through his writing. As a rookie LITEROTICAN it was impossible not to notice his famous story in those days. It was at the top of every list…on everyone’s lips… I read it and was suitably impressed.

I only thought of him again in December 2005 during my first exposure to the HOLIDAY CONTEST. I wasn’t happy with how the contest was going and so decided to name my own winners (please don’t ask who I gave 1st place to). Although he hadn’t actually entered the contest I gave him a prize. Here’s what I wrote then:

drksideofthemoon for Montana Summer (all chapters). I know, it’s not officially entered in the contest. However, somehow, this story, whose chapters come out month after month, always drawing the most views, the most votes and rave reviews, has never won a monthly prize. What’s this guy done anyway? LITEROTICA ‘NOVEL OF THE YEAR’

In those days our paths rarely crossed. The one thing we seemed to have in common was an unhappiness with how votes were counted and then suddenly swept away with no explanation. And our inability to get any answers from headoffice.

We became foes only sometime after the ScouriesWorld thread started. A variety of factors caused it. We have different personalities. I’m loud - he’s not. I self promote – he doesn’t. Mix that in with the kitten sisters and a bunch of disgusting ALTS and inevitably things degenerated. I didn’t like some of the things he said. I’m sure the feeling was mutual. He did some things that undermined the respect I’d always had for him. But that’s life. We were never friends so the loss wasn’t that important for either of us.

And then of course this thread. I have no desire to replay that story – suffice it to say that in the end, against my better judgment, I removed his stories from my list.

THE 1000 VOTE STORY CLUB​

I’d like to announce the policy that Gabby and I have now instituted for our 1000+ vote list.

IN THE FUTURE, NO STORY THAT HAS EARNED A PLACE IN THE CLUB WILL BE REMOVED BY US FOR ANY REASON​

The moonman’s story’s have been removed and will stay removed (unless he specifically asks to be reinstated). However his was the first and last time we’ll make an exception.

The act by an author of removing his/her story from the site will not in future precipitate the removal of that story from the 1000+ VOTE list. Once on, it’s on forever. No longer will we be allow ourselves to be vilified because a famous story was removed from the site.

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON AN AUTHORS RIGHTS​

moonman wrote: Why is it hard for you to understand that some people wouldn't want to be included on your list. I am one of them. I was happy just writing and posting my stories, I reveled in my anonymity…

miss o wrote: KM gave you no permission to use her details (you confirm that), so you are breaching copyright, compromizing privacy and generally behaving as the hooligan you want to be regarded as.

The above comments (and many others made by other posters during the moonman debacle) display a fundamental lack of understanding by LITEROTICA AHers of the rights of a published author.

Once an author has published his work it is in the public domain and critics, fans, individuals, reviewers, media outlets, etc., etc. do have the right to comment on it, review it, list it, in fact say just about anything they want about it. When miss o talks of ‘breaching copyright’ she is displaying a complete ignorance of applicable law in the U.S., Britain, Canada, Australia, in fact just about anywhere in the civilized world.

She preaches about FREE SPEECH but apparently has no idea what it means.

If a newspaper or internet site or tv station wants to review a book they go ahead and do it. They don’t ask the author for permission. If they want to create a best seller list (or a worst books of the year list for that matter) they go ahead and do it.

I am sorry the moonman didn’t want to be on the list. But I will note a couple of things. One, you say you ‘reveled in my anonymity’. C’mon guy, hell, you had 15 chapters of your story on the TOP RATED INCEST stories list. You are near the top of the FAVORITES list. You were a towering giant on the BULLETIN BOARDS, leaving a trail of swooning females in your wake. I’m sorry but it would be impossible to describe your place in LITEROTICA as anonymous.

Second, you published your stories, no one else. I do believe your repeated statements to the effect that you would prefer a lower profile – unfortunately sir you cede control of the public response to your stories the second you published them. And of course being a brilliant writer you’re bound to attract all sorts of attention.

We at ScouriesWorld only wish you the best sir…and eagerly await your next blockbuster! Which we’ll make no comment on…promise…

[size=+2]OH LAUREL, OH MANU, death to the ugly ALTS.[/size]​

jrs

 

[ennuye]

RE the 1000+ Vote LIST[/b]:The list is simply a list. It doesn’t insult anyone...It simply reports public info in an organized manner...It means as much and as little as any other LITEROTICA list...Lets all admit it. Bullshit aside, the real problem with the list is that I produced it. And that I’m on it. Period.

In all honesty, I read something like this, and I don't know if you're sincere, or not.

But, giving you the benefit of the doubt, here is a sincere response.

Speaking only for myself, I don't mind the list, itself. If it were presented in the spirit of just another way of looking at success on the site, it wouldn't irk me in the least.

What rubs this author the wrong way is not your list of stories that have racked up a high number of votes, but the context in which you frame your "simple" list: with claims that a number of votes or views means your story is better than the stories written by all the authors whose stories don't garner as many clicks and votes.

Here are a few samples of the self-congratulatory rhetoric I'm talking about:

Before complaining about lack of feedback perhaps our authors should read some of these stories and try to learn how some of the greatest authors have managed to garner feedback.

...I’m presently in the process of having my girl send out messages and e-mails to Literotica’s greatest living authors in my quest to find even more of these extraordinary stories...

...I’ll reintroduce the topic and remind you all that the point of this thread was to honor LITEROTICA’S GREATEST AUTHORS.


Your equating of stories with high numbers of clicks and votes with “Literotica's greatest authors” and “greatest stories,” is insulting. This site, and the numerous authors who contribute stories to it, offer a wide range of reading material to a broad audience. Some seek titillation and immediate gratification, and will gravitate toward the categories and titles and authors they know or hope will assure them of a good sticky climax by the end of the second page. Some, on the other hand, seek a compelling story that will make them anxious and afraid, make them laugh, make them pensive and, possibly, make them come by the end of page seven or chapter three.

When you proclaim yourself and your brand of erotica “greater” than authors and stories in the other realm, you do, actually, obviously insult people. When all the authors who spend hours that could be passed with lovers and children or advancing other careers fine-tuning a story that they believe in, then read your declaration that you are the greatest author on Literotica, the gag reflex kicks in. This shouldn't stun you in any way. As an author who likes to weave details about vintage and varietal into your stories, I'm sure you grasp that the fact that even a third-tier soda company sells more cans of bargain-brand carbonated fructose than a renowned vineyard does of its prize wines. It doesn't make grape Shasta “greater” than a fine wine.

My point being, numbers don't make one author 'greater' than another. That goes for number of votes, and for vote average. If someone with twelve votes and an average of 5.00 was on the boards every day saying he was the shit, I'd be saying the same thing. But they're not.

You call bullshit on our response to your list. I call bullshit on your bogus rationale for our reaction.

There are many, many authors on this site who are more popular than I am. They get more views. More votes. More comments. Higher scores. They are higher on the favorites list. But I don't resent them. And I sure as shit don't play the flame-game with them on the boards. I admire them. I read their stories, and ask myself whether their approaches to story-telling can fruitfully inform my own efforts.

The only difference between them and you (as far as my reaction goes, anyway) is your self-promoting, inflammatory rhetoric in your threads.

I spend time in this environment. In this community. I view it as a fostering, sustaining, supportive place to enjoy improving my writing, and hopefully helping others. If you're going to poison it every day, I'm not just going to take it in silence.

I suspect others feel the same way, and that is why you are on the receiving end of so much animosity.

It's not envy, man. To pretend that's the problem is the real bullshit, here.

[size=+2]OH LAUREL, OH MANU, death to the ugly ALTS.[/size]​

Anything to avoid addressing the substance of the discussion, eh scouries?


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[sr71plt]

Once an author has published his work it is in the public domain and critics, fans, individuals, reviewers, media outlets, etc., etc. do have the right to comment on it, review it, list it, in fact say just about anything they want about it. When miss o talks of ‘breaching copyright’ she is displaying a complete ignorance of applicable law in the U.S., Britain, Canada, Australia, in fact just about anywhere in the civilized world.

Well, no and yes. A published work doesn't enter the public domain just by being published. However, that's irrelevant here. What Scouries did vis-a-vis Darks work has nothing to do with copyright. Pointing to, reviewing, listing--or even quoting briefly from--someone's published work (and as soon as a work is slapped on this Web site, it's been published) doesn't breach copyright--indeed, except for the quoting part, it has nothing to do with copyright.

And what Scouries has said now is the "policy" on this gold mine of a list (in terms of reaching the desired meaningless irritation level) is just what I said I thought would be done way up the string. The burp from the campaign was when Dark's name was taken (albeit a placeholder left where we all knew the name had been) off the list to begin with. Lots of Sturm and Drang for little other than having stories dropped off the board for no sensible reason and giving Scouries more "can jerk them around at will" yuks.

Hey, I know another list that would be fun but meaningless--the top producers (in terms of story titles posted)--with an "annual production" ratio figure.

 

[Guest]

Well, no and yes. A published work doesn't enter the public domain just by being published. However, that's irrelevant here. What Scouries did vis-a-vis Darks work has nothing to do with copyright. Pointing to, reviewing, listing--or even quoting briefly from--someone's published work (and as soon as a work is slapped on this Web site, it's been published) doesn't breach copyright--indeed, except for the quoting part, it has nothing to do with copyright.

And what Scouries has said now is the "policy" on this gold mine of a list (in terms of reaching the desired meaningless irritation level) is just what I said I thought would be done way up the string. The burp from the campaign was when Dark's name was taken (albeit a placeholder left where we all knew the name had been) off the list to begin with. Lots of Sturm and Drang for little other than having stories dropped off the board for no sensible reason and giving Scouries more "can jerk them around at will" yuks.

Hey, I know another list that would be fun but meaningless--the top producers (in terms of story titles posted)--with an "annual production" ratio figure.

They already do that one, it's the survivor's contest.

What the ass said means one thing to me. If any of my stories comes close to making his stupid list, I'll pull it.

 

[sr71plt]

They already do that one, it's the survivor's contest.

I'll have to take another look, but that's not my impression of the survivor's contest. It's periodic, isn't it?--not built on total stories posted (I haven't really looked much, but I think Just Plain Bob has something like 500 stories posted on Lit.), and isn't the survivor's contest across categories--you have to post in different categories to compete? I'm just talking about plain downright numbers of stories posted. The annual ratio I was mentioning was to put the relative length of time in which the stories were posted into perspective. You'd be on that list, I'm sure; Scouries wouldn't, I'm equally sure.

On your other comment, if you let Scouries cause you to pull stories just because he taunts you by putting you on lists, I'd think you were as nonsensical and snookered as I think Darkside was for letting him/herself be trapped into foot shooting. (But it's your full right to do whatever you wish with your stories, of course.)

Going back to the nattering above, this isn't a copyright issue. But it is a harrassment issue--and the site owners have the full right/capability of cutting that tree down if they wished.

 

[Guest]

I'll have to take another look, but that's not my impression of the survivor's contest. It's periodic, isn't it?--not built on total stories posted (I haven't really looked much, but I think Just Plain Bob has something like 500 stories posted on Lit.), and isn't the survivor's contest across categories--you have to post in different categories to compete? I'm just talking about plain downright numbers of stories posted. The annual ratio I was mentioning was to put the relative length of time in which the stories were posted into perspective. You'd be on that list, I'm sure; Scouries wouldn't, I'm equally sure.

On your other comment, if you let Scouries cause you to pull stories just because he taunts you by putting you on lists, I'd think you were as nonsensical and snookered as I think Darkside was for letting him/herself be trapped into foot shooting. (But it's your full right to do whatever you wish with your stories, of course.)

Going back to the nattering above, this isn't a copyright issue. But it is a harrassment issue--and the site owners have the full right/capability of cutting that tree down if they wished.

I consider it a matter of good taste, not wanting to have my name or my stories associated with someone of his ilk. But that's okay, if things go the way I hope, I'll be pulling all my work from the site. I'll miss the feedback greatly and the fans, but I need the money more.

 

[sr71plt]

I'll miss the feedback greatly and the fans, but I need the money more.

I still don't quite get this bit. Most of the stories I have posted here, I'll sold for money. No one has asked me to pull them from here, though. So I don't see that this is a forced choice--at least it hasn't been in my circumstance.