Purple Haze
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Hmmmmmmm, sounds like a sound plan to me.
Let's Cut Taxes, and Increase Spending.....
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Purple Haze
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It only makes sense, we need to pour trillions into the military and pay for it with a tax cut.
Make's sense?
Good.
We can't go against the President, we're at war you know.
Calling him a genius would be the best thing right now.
Make's sense?
Good.
We can't go against the President, we're at war you know.
Calling him a genius would be the best thing right now.
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Haven't you seen any of my posts about Bush's revival of Voodoo Economics yet?
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Off said:
You're a genius too.
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WriterDom said:
*mutters softly about knee-jerk reactionaries*
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Moridin187 said:
Nope, sorry can't read all the threads. I'm sure it was a brilliant discussion, did anybody get called a "poopypants" by the right-wingers, or did they go off about Clinton's blow job again.
Typical.
It's just a matter of time before George trips on a rug and lands face-first into a salad bar, and they'll blame that on Clinton's blow job too. Meanwhile it's a great time to be the Prez. There are no standards to live up to, as long as you can read a tele-prompter, and avoid questions from the press you can get an 80 plus approval rating.
It worked for Reagan, except old Ronnie always appeared to have his shit together.
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Purple Haze said:
They went off about the blowjob, and managed to make it seem like we'd had the worst economic times since the Great Depression under Clinton.. Funny, I don't seem to remember it that way...
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WriterDom said:
The slowdown had nothing to do with Clinton or Gore, it's the economic cycle. Haven't you Ever studied economics??
Believe it or not, the president/v.p. do Not control the economy.. However, when they start working Voodoo, they don't help it a damn bit, that's for sure.
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Nobody stole an election did they, Writerdom?
Gawd.
Gawd.
Let me get
this straight, you want Bush to increase taxes and cut the military? Thats why he's president and not Al Gore (thank god), and has an 80% approval rating.
Also if Clinton was such a great president why couldent his V.P. get elected. Gore should of won by a land slide. What happend?
this straight, you want Bush to increase taxes and cut the military? Thats why he's president and not Al Gore (thank god), and has an 80% approval rating.
Also if Clinton was such a great president why couldent his V.P. get elected. Gore should of won by a land slide. What happend?
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Re: Let me get
I said nothing of the sort,
Who the fuck cares about Clinton and Gore? I wanna know where George W. Dipshit is going to get the money to pay for his arms race. Is he going to put a trillion bucks on a credit card like Reagan did? I can't believe there isn't anybody here that can tell me why this is such a great idea.
freedom said:
I said nothing of the sort,
freedom said:Thats why he's president and not Al Gore (thank god), and has an 80% approval rating.
Who the fuck cares about Clinton and Gore? I wanna know where George W. Dipshit is going to get the money to pay for his arms race. Is he going to put a trillion bucks on a credit card like Reagan did? I can't believe there isn't anybody here that can tell me why this is such a great idea.
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I paid $88,000 in taxes last year. I don't want to pay any more, especailly when so much is used for so many silly things. A couple years ago I was at a grocery store and a lady and man ahead of me in line used food stamps to buy food. I only bought one thing and went out right behind them. They got into a brand spankin' new $50,000 Cadillac while I mosied over to my 8 year old $5,000 sedan.
In New York City, when the city government implemented a physiological based automated identification verification system that couldn't be defrauded, the welfare caseload dropped by almost 50% overnight. I'm glad to see other cities adopting the same system.
I have a friend that I've worked with in the past who lived in the most expensive town on the east coast (outside NYC), a millionaire, who miraculously saved up all that money working as a government employee in a third world country. I know where the money came from and it wasn't due to good investments in the infrastructure in that poor country.
Hey, I want to help people who need help and I don't mind paying taxes for it. But I want the money to go to people who really need it. I want it to go in a form that helps them so that they can become self sufficient. I don't want to pay for people to have a life of leisure while I work like a dog.
We young people pay lots of social security. We pay at a level twice what those who are currently retired paid in. Those who are retired now are getting a fair return on their "payments". Those paying in now are going to get at most a %2 percent return on it. Those people who are on the short side of the life expectancy curve will get a negative return. It's a giant pyramid scheme and we're going to be left holding the bag.
Stop the income transfers. Funnel more to the military. Keep a lid on the explosive growth of civil govenment. We could keep spending down and still fully fund the military.
The proposed increase is comparatively small compared to other line items in the budget. As a % of total government expenditures, the Military is threadbare compared to any other period in recent history (last 100 years). Clinton raped our military. He cut out most of the weapons platforms research and development for the next generation technology. Other countries can easily put 10 or 15 armed soldiers in the field for every one that we have. We need to have superior technology to maintain any kind of stability. We have well trained military folks, I honor them, but they need the next generation of technology to maintain military superiority. If you don't think that we need military superiority, make a trip around the world and then come back and talk to me. I don't want to have our government "bully" people, I just want to deter any threat to our freedom.
The increases in spending for all quarters is just barely above the planned tax revenue targets for next year. Not a big deficit.
Regarding Reagan's tax cut, did you read the book by his budget chairman? Reagan's plan was to hold the line on civil spending and increase the military and minimize deficits. The democratic led congress, both sides, didn't want to fight him on the military spending, but didn't slow down domestic spending as THEY were supposed to do. They thought, if he's going to spend some, we're going to spend even more. With Reagan's popularity soaring, they thought the only way they could maintain significance was to provide more "giveaways" in the hope that those recieving the non-military goodies would vote democratic.
A Tax cut will stimulate investment and, in turn, spending. More innovation, more valuable products, more turns, more jobs. More people working means more taxes, more taxes means more government revenue. Happened with Kennedy, happened with Reagan. History sometimes repeats itself.
The tax cut that's being discussed now is worth only pennies. It is nothing compared to that which Kennedy and Reagan put in place. At least its going in the right direction. Every year Wild Bill got up there and smiled and reached deeper into my pocket with one hand while fondling a bimbo in the other. Didn't like that.
I paid $88,000 in taxes last year. I don't want to pay any more, especailly when so much is used for so many silly things. A couple years ago I was at a grocery store and a lady and man ahead of me in line used food stamps to buy food. I only bought one thing and went out right behind them. They got into a brand spankin' new $50,000 Cadillac while I mosied over to my 8 year old $5,000 sedan.
In New York City, when the city government implemented a physiological based automated identification verification system that couldn't be defrauded, the welfare caseload dropped by almost 50% overnight. I'm glad to see other cities adopting the same system.
I have a friend that I've worked with in the past who lived in the most expensive town on the east coast (outside NYC), a millionaire, who miraculously saved up all that money working as a government employee in a third world country. I know where the money came from and it wasn't due to good investments in the infrastructure in that poor country.
Hey, I want to help people who need help and I don't mind paying taxes for it. But I want the money to go to people who really need it. I want it to go in a form that helps them so that they can become self sufficient. I don't want to pay for people to have a life of leisure while I work like a dog.
We young people pay lots of social security. We pay at a level twice what those who are currently retired paid in. Those who are retired now are getting a fair return on their "payments". Those paying in now are going to get at most a %2 percent return on it. Those people who are on the short side of the life expectancy curve will get a negative return. It's a giant pyramid scheme and we're going to be left holding the bag.
Stop the income transfers. Funnel more to the military. Keep a lid on the explosive growth of civil govenment. We could keep spending down and still fully fund the military.
The proposed increase is comparatively small compared to other line items in the budget. As a % of total government expenditures, the Military is threadbare compared to any other period in recent history (last 100 years). Clinton raped our military. He cut out most of the weapons platforms research and development for the next generation technology. Other countries can easily put 10 or 15 armed soldiers in the field for every one that we have. We need to have superior technology to maintain any kind of stability. We have well trained military folks, I honor them, but they need the next generation of technology to maintain military superiority. If you don't think that we need military superiority, make a trip around the world and then come back and talk to me. I don't want to have our government "bully" people, I just want to deter any threat to our freedom.
The increases in spending for all quarters is just barely above the planned tax revenue targets for next year. Not a big deficit.
Regarding Reagan's tax cut, did you read the book by his budget chairman? Reagan's plan was to hold the line on civil spending and increase the military and minimize deficits. The democratic led congress, both sides, didn't want to fight him on the military spending, but didn't slow down domestic spending as THEY were supposed to do. They thought, if he's going to spend some, we're going to spend even more. With Reagan's popularity soaring, they thought the only way they could maintain significance was to provide more "giveaways" in the hope that those recieving the non-military goodies would vote democratic.
A Tax cut will stimulate investment and, in turn, spending. More innovation, more valuable products, more turns, more jobs. More people working means more taxes, more taxes means more government revenue. Happened with Kennedy, happened with Reagan. History sometimes repeats itself.
The tax cut that's being discussed now is worth only pennies. It is nothing compared to that which Kennedy and Reagan put in place. At least its going in the right direction. Every year Wild Bill got up there and smiled and reached deeper into my pocket with one hand while fondling a bimbo in the other. Didn't like that.
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Finally, an intelligent reply, and unregistered to boot.
You made some excellent points, but I'm convinced that we already DO have a superior military, and while stronger is definitely better I see a snowball ahead. This is an opportunity for the "bullies" as you put it, to run away with it all because there is no clearly defined end to terrorism. It can go on for years, they've already told us that.
Osama bin Laden won't be taken alive, if at all. No amount of military spending can stop attacks like the ones on September 11, it had nothing to do with military preparedness. It had everything to do with the airlines and the FAA not securing their property or their customers.
Our government is doing their best to convince us that it's all about our safety and freedom, when it's actually all about "our" oil, and making sure the haves keep having, and keeping the have-nots quiet.
I'm not buying it.
I remember a very high unemployment rate, a razor-sharp increase in the homeless, and major cuts in school lunch programs during those wonderful "Reagan Years." (remember ketchup was a vegetable) and I see a return to those glory days of prosperity, all in the name of freedom and apple pie.
You made some excellent points, but I'm convinced that we already DO have a superior military, and while stronger is definitely better I see a snowball ahead. This is an opportunity for the "bullies" as you put it, to run away with it all because there is no clearly defined end to terrorism. It can go on for years, they've already told us that.
Osama bin Laden won't be taken alive, if at all. No amount of military spending can stop attacks like the ones on September 11, it had nothing to do with military preparedness. It had everything to do with the airlines and the FAA not securing their property or their customers.
Our government is doing their best to convince us that it's all about our safety and freedom, when it's actually all about "our" oil, and making sure the haves keep having, and keeping the have-nots quiet.
I'm not buying it.
Unregistered said:
I remember a very high unemployment rate, a razor-sharp increase in the homeless, and major cuts in school lunch programs during those wonderful "Reagan Years." (remember ketchup was a vegetable) and I see a return to those glory days of prosperity, all in the name of freedom and apple pie.
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I agree with you that we have to keep a close balance between tightened security and personal freedoms. Personal freedoms are getting eroded too quickly. The military won't be bullies. They take orders from whatever politician is in office.
I think a lot of the "security" that is being practiced now is window dressing. Last week, a 75 year old lady was stopped and searched in front of me. They made her take her shoes off. Her feet and shoes were so tiny that nothing extra was going to fit in there. Does this help? No.
The military has had it's heart cut out. I agree with Unregistered, the military personnel are top notch. But, Clinton stopped virtually all new investment in technology and new platforms. We're sending them out on more and more non-military actions and they're using 10 and 15 year old technology. The money that Clinton did spend was already committed from earlier years. Therefore, we have nothing new in the pipeline. The new interceptor is not being built in any quantity. If we loose control of the skies, we loose (period).
It's not about oil.
There's little difference between the halves and the halve nots in this country. I was a halve not once, now I have a little. Lots of people like me. With the confiscatory inheretance laws, very few people are starting off with any kind of a huge nestegg. I started off with none. The great thing about this country is that people move back and forth between one and the other quite a bit. If you've got half a brain (it seems so) then in 20 years you'll probably have amassed a little capital yourself.
Most of the unemployment, high interest rates, and other problems that you mentioned were part of the Carter catastrophe clean up. I don't want to talk about school lunches, I don't know much about it, but it sounds like one of those famous Teddy Kennedy things.
a board dedicated to literature, romanticism and erotica...but, only a short foray.
I agree with you that we have to keep a close balance between tightened security and personal freedoms. Personal freedoms are getting eroded too quickly. The military won't be bullies. They take orders from whatever politician is in office.
I think a lot of the "security" that is being practiced now is window dressing. Last week, a 75 year old lady was stopped and searched in front of me. They made her take her shoes off. Her feet and shoes were so tiny that nothing extra was going to fit in there. Does this help? No.
The military has had it's heart cut out. I agree with Unregistered, the military personnel are top notch. But, Clinton stopped virtually all new investment in technology and new platforms. We're sending them out on more and more non-military actions and they're using 10 and 15 year old technology. The money that Clinton did spend was already committed from earlier years. Therefore, we have nothing new in the pipeline. The new interceptor is not being built in any quantity. If we loose control of the skies, we loose (period).
It's not about oil.
There's little difference between the halves and the halve nots in this country. I was a halve not once, now I have a little. Lots of people like me. With the confiscatory inheretance laws, very few people are starting off with any kind of a huge nestegg. I started off with none. The great thing about this country is that people move back and forth between one and the other quite a bit. If you've got half a brain (it seems so) then in 20 years you'll probably have amassed a little capital yourself.
Most of the unemployment, high interest rates, and other problems that you mentioned were part of the Carter catastrophe clean up. I don't want to talk about school lunches, I don't know much about it, but it sounds like one of those famous Teddy Kennedy things.
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When and if you type a response to what is being discussed in this thread, please remember to thank the U. S. Military and the Reagan/Bush budgets. It is their programs and spending that created the internet (DARPA).
When and if you type a response to what is being discussed in this thread, please remember to thank the U. S. Military and the Reagan/Bush budgets. It is their programs and spending that created the internet (DARPA).
