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oggbashan

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Wednesday November 19, 07:11 AM

World Toilet Day a flushing success
By Jason Szep

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Flushed with the success of making Singapore's lavatories amongst the cleanest in the world, a Singapore-based organisation is marking "World Toilet Day" today with a call for more hygiene in public facilities.

"What we are trying to do is break the taboo over toilets," said Jack Sim, a founding member of the non-profit World Toilet Organisation.

"Everybody talks about what goes into the body and no one talks about what comes out," he said.

The two-year-old World Toilet Organisation (www.worldtoilet.org), which aims to raise global awareness of toilet and sanitation standards, marked its annual World Toilet Day on Wednesday with a call for people to speak out against poorly designed or filthy latrines.

The group is collecting tips ahead of a World Toilet Summit to be held in Beijing next year.

The group -- whose members include the British Toilet Association and 17 other similar organisations from 13 countries -- has a top-10 list of latrine essentials that Sim says will lead to "happier people".

The average person, according to the group's website, visits the toilet 2,500 times a year -- meaning you spend nearly three years of your life in the lavatory.

To make the experience more enjoyable, parents should teach children to aim properly, toilet seats should be wiped clean before and after use and flush handles that don't work should be reported.

The group also urged new projects to alleviate a serious lack of toilets in many parts of the world.

"More than half of the world population do not have toilets. They are defecating openly," said Sim, who is also president of the Restroom Association of Singapore.

Women, he says, suffer most from poor public lavatories.

"The amount of space for women's and men's toilets is often a mirror image of each other. But the female requires more than that because they don't have urinals," he said.

"The men just go to the urinals, zip down, shoot, finish. That usually takes about 32 seconds.

"A women can take three times as long. This means a queue can form -- and when there is a queue it starts to get dirty."

He said Japanese toilets were among the best in the world, but those in Beijing were improving fast ahead of the 2008 Olympics.

"The toilets in Beijing now are really beautiful. They have renovated 2,000 public toilets," he said.

Singapore boasts some of the cleanest public lavatories in the world -- helped in part by automatic flushers and laws which impose fines on people who don't flush after use.

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I like the bit about the queue for the women's toilet getting dirty.

Og
 
You guys in the UK probably don't know this, but in the US we have a federally-mandated law concerning how much water a toilet can use when it's flushed. It's been a disaster and is a perfect study of how government should not get involved in problem solving.

Most of our western states face chronic water shortages, and some genius in the '70's had the idea of passing a law requiring that toilets use no more than a gallon or something when they flush. All the toilet manufacturers had to comply and begin phasing them in.

The problem is, they don't work well, so it's not unusual to have to flush 2 or 3 times to get the job done, thus weasting more water than ever. Also, there's a grandfather clause in the law, so there's a big black market in used, high-volume commmodes. You can often get an old toilet installed if you're willing to grease a plumber's already-greasy hand.

I think the law was repealed, or rescinded, or some damn thing, but for those of us stuck with the water-saving toilets, the damage is done. We're in there flushing away.

---dr.M.
 
We have water-saving toilets too. They don't work either.

My old house (I have two temporarily) has a high level tank for the outside toilet (installed circa 1903). That flushes anything and makes a very satisfactory noise when I pull the chain. The chain was extended when my daughters were younger so that they could reach it. It impressed their visiting friends when they were aged five or so. They had a step to climb on, an insert in the seat so they didn't fall in, and a real waterfall to watch.

It requires a knack to operate it. A quick hard pull works. A light pull annoys it and it just gurgles in response. Hours of fun for small girls.

Og
 
dr_mabeuse said:
You guys in the UK probably don't know this, but in the US we have a federally-mandated law concerning how much water a toilet can use when it's flushed. It's been a disaster and is a perfect study of how government should not get involved in problem solving.

Most of our western states face chronic water shortages, and some genius in the '70's had the idea of passing a law requiring that toilets use no more than a gallon or something when they flush. All the toilet manufacturers had to comply and begin phasing them in.

The problem is, they don't work well, so it's not unusual to have to flush 2 or 3 times to get the job done, thus weasting more water than ever. Also, there's a grandfather clause in the law, so there's a big black market in used, high-volume commmodes. You can often get an old toilet installed if you're willing to grease a plumber's already-greasy hand.

I think the law was repealed, or rescinded, or some damn thing, but for those of us stuck with the water-saving toilets, the damage is done. We're in there flushing away.

---dr.M.

Hello, Og and Dr. M,

The Brits are VERY aware of the whole 'low flush' issue. In fact, their own controversy of it goes back a lot further than ours.

http://www.pmengineer.com/CDA/ArticleInformation/features/BNP__Features__Item/0,2732,21637,00.html

In the US the federal standards were adopted by every state building code in the country because local adoption was a requirement for anyone to receive the federal subsidies provided to sewage treatment systems.

What the Brits tried to resolve and what we have not, is that the method of flushing can be more important than the volume of water. A 'low flow' siphon toilet, as you point out can be terribly ineffective at 2 or even 3 gallons, but something that utilises pressure valves and venturi technology can be realiable at 1.5 gallons.

Probably a LOT more than you wanted to know
 
oggbashan said:
. . . a Singapore-based organisation is marking "World Toilet Day" . . .to. . . break the taboo over toilets . . . Everybody talks about what goes into the body and no one talks about what comes out. . . "

Should we not introduce Mr. Sim to our own MathGirl, suggesting that she would make an excellent "Miss World Toilet."

Her acceptance speach would undoubtedly be all - indeed, a great deal more - than Mr. Sim had in mind. ;)
 
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