Law to force you attend a church ?

[gotsnowgotslush]

Arizona state Senator Sylvia Allen (R-Snowflake)

"...a state senator from Arizona has stated that attending church should be mandatory because of the “moral erosion of the soul of America” – and in the meantime, everyone should be allowed to carry guns into public buildings."

On Wednesday,(Sen. Sylvia ) Allen said that was a “flippant comment” but decried the changes since she was a child in the 1950s.

http://the-daily.buzz/church-attendance-should-be-mandatory/

http://www.azcentral.com/story/ejmo...rizona-legislature-mandatory-church/70482802/

On 26 March 2015, a rumor began circulating online that state senator Sylvia Allen of Arizona has suggested that church attendance should be mandatory for all U.S. citizens. But while Allen said that America would benefit from a law requiring citizens to go to church on Sundays, she made no mention of how she might accommodate adherents of religions whose sabbath is a day other than Sunday, those whose religious practices do not include regular gatherings in groups, or those who are agnostics, non-theists, or atheists.

http://now.snopes.com/2015/03/27/sen-sylvia-allen-suggests-mandatory-church/l.p.

A quote from Senator Sylvia Allen -

"But, since that would not be allowed and we would not even be debating that, I’m going to vote yes that people who are responsible who have a CCW permit don’t have to worry about their guns as they’re out and about and doing business in whatever building they’re in except ones that where they aren’t allowed.”

 

[Boxlicker101]

She's just expressing her opinion. Shooting off her mouth, if you will. It's NOT proposed legislation, although she is a state senator. I disagree with her, but she is entitled to express her opinion.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

We make people attend school, which is the same as church, for all intents and purposes.

 

[sr71plt]

Well, no, those aren't at all the same thing.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Well, no, those aren't at all the same thing.

I don't expect you'll think but if you do you'll get how church and school are the same.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't expect you'll think but if you do you'll get how church and school are the same.

Not any more than a church is a hospital.....you're full of shit you theocon tyrant.

She's just expressing her opinion. Shooting off her mouth, if you will. It's NOT proposed legislation, although she is a state senator. I disagree with her, but she is entitled to express her opinion.

I don't think anyone suggested she isn't.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

She's just expressing her opinion. Shooting off her mouth, if you will. It's NOT proposed legislation, although she is a state senator. I disagree with her, but she is entitled to express her opinion.

Correct, but given the recent legislation passed in Indiana, it's not overreacting to take this sort of statement seriously from a state legislator.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Not any more than a church is a hospital.....you're full of shit you theocon tyrant.

Ehhhhh. . .considering her point is clearly that church indoctrinates people in the right way I don't know how much I can disagree that school and church are both (intentionally and rightfully so) used to indoctrinate people.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Ehhhhh. . .considering her point is clearly that church indoctrinates people in the right way I don't know how much I can disagree that school and church are both (intentionally and rightfully so) used to indoctrinate people.

I guess what is and should be aren't always the same.

I still don't think except in the most abused/bastardized situations they are really anything alike.

The schools mission is to pass on our knowledge to the best of our ability to those who seek it. Does that mission get perverted and used for political/economic/religious indoctrination? Sure the fuck does...no argument from me on that. At that point imo it ceases to be a school...becomes a re-education camp, or a church if you will.

The churches don't give a fuck about knowledge or seek any truths. Their express mission is to sell you their brand of make believe. I mean we have blown so much of their make believe bullshit right the fuck out of the water they are desperately clinging to "Well you can't prove god isn't real or that Jesus didn't exist, so fuck you commie!" as they watch their great cult die off at an ever accelerating rate. That doesn't stop the 6000 year old earth and Trex riding Jesus theme parks and "Science" classes now does it?

One wants to expand the mind, the other seeks to confine it....maybe they are the same coin but they are certainly on opposing sides.

But I guess you can't escape the partisan hackery any more than you can the religious whackery.....So fuck it, I hope (R) get's what they want, I would like nothing more than to watch them devolve into a white/christian version of Iran.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm as anti-religious as they come but I do think they "care about knowledge" they just happen to be crazy and think some Arabs discovered it 2000+ years ago and no improvements have ever been made.

And indoctrination isn't just or even mostly about politics. Sure you pick up a lot from your parents but schools and churches and really any place that has a social group and a definable leader is indoctrinating.

Almost nobody has any real issues with the Pledge. I'd love to see "Under God" removed but it's mostly harmless. But in real terms how is having every child in the room stand cover his heart and swear fealty any different if they swear it to a King, a Pope or a Country? I suppose you could attempt to argue the last has some sort of longer lasting qualities and the other two might change on some sort of whim.

We don't think of . . .honestly think back to school and think about any of the things we learned then that you just can't do. Or if you were ever a Boy Scout and all the things they teach about responsibility. Or the military. Indoctrination isn't bad or wrong, all societies do it and they must, if they don't they are a group of people somehow managing to survive each other.

 

[Liar]

Not any more than a church is a hospital.....you're full of shit you theocon tyrant.

You misspelt troll.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Ehhhhh. . .considering her point is clearly that church indoctrinates people in the right way I don't know how much I can disagree that school and church are both (intentionally and rightfully so) used to indoctrinate people.

And the words "educate" and "indoctrinate" both end in "ate" so they mean the exact same thing!

 

[miles]

Not much dumber than The Fraud wanting voting to be mandatory.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

And the words "educate" and "indoctrinate" both end in "ate" so they mean the exact same thing!

I'm right, so go fuck yourself.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Not much dumber than The Fraud wanting voting to be mandatory.

I beg to differ. It's a LOT dumber, mandatory voting isn't even close to the same thing as mandatory church attendance.

Voting is an integral part of our democracy.

Going to church, is not.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Mandatory school attendance compels kids to conform to the moral standards and proselytizing of the teachers union and bureaucrats.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

I beg to differ. It's a LOT dumber, mandatory voting isn't even close to the same thing as mandatory church attendance.

Voting is an integral part of our democracy.

Going to church, is not.

An INTEGRAL is a part of the whole so youre fulla nigger cum when you arbitrarily excommunicate religion from our national society. Youre so fucking stupid when you neglect to get all the facts you dispute.

 

[oggbashan]

Centuries ago England used to have a law compelling people to go to church - The Church of England, of course.

Other denominations and Jews went to church to avoid being fined, but then would attend their own services.

All babies had to be baptised in a Church of England church. All marriages and funerals had to be Church of England.

People complied with the law, reluctantly, and then did their own thing afterwards.

 

[AZMotherLover]

The schools mission is to pass on our knowledge to the best of our ability to those who seek it. Does that mission get perverted and used for political/economic/religious indoctrination? Sure the fuck does...no argument from me on that. At that point imo it ceases to be a school...becomes a re-education camp, or a church if you will.

I think you just agreed with JBJ.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Indoctrination isn't bad or wrong, all societies do it and they must, if they don't they are a group of people somehow managing to survive each other.

I'm not saying it is....and you're right on the most basic and fundamental levels they are the same.

I already admit that....again.

But that's about it, beyond that they are very little alike. Like comparing a horse and carriage to the space shuttle. Hey they are the SAME THING!!...they are both vehicles.

I think you just agreed with JBJ.

He's right and so is Sean....the space shuttles and horse drawn carriages ARE both vehicles....totally the exact same fuckin' thing.



Hey guys why don't we start doing virgin sacrifices on TV? Cut their hearts out on the floor of congress and then all the senators fuck the corpse.

http://www.templeoftheola.org/uploads/6/1/2/8/6128929/4101852.gif

Same thing as income tax!

Hey...gotta pay to play

I'm right, so go fuck yourself.

Congrats on your victory, you hit the vaguest vein of truth possible.

You're still a theocon tyrant and a horrible example of a human being, kill yourself.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The schools mission is to pass on our knowledge to the best of our ability to those who seek it. Does that mission get perverted and used for political/economic/religious indoctrination? Sure the fuck does...no argument from me on that. At that point imo it ceases to be a school...becomes a re-education camp, or a church if you will.

I'm not sure I follow you here. I'm willin' to stipulate that religious private schools put a religious slant on education (part of their raison d'etre) but maybe you could explain a bit further about the purported political/economic "indoctrination".

From my vantage point, schools teach critical thinking, which is anathema to the conservative mantra of "my beliefs trump your facts".

Other than that, I honestly don't see any attempts at "indoctrination".

 

[BotanyBoy]

I'm not sure I follow you here. I'm willin' to stipulate that religious private schools put a religious slant on education (part of their raison d'etre) but maybe you could explain a bit further about the purported political/economic "indoctrination".

What kind of explanation are you looking for? Are you asking my personal views or to actually quantify and proof partisan bias of the US education system? I can only offer the former.

From my vantage point, schools teach critical thinking, which is anathema to the conservative mantra of "my beliefs trump your facts".

Not from mine.....after 8hrs of classes at UT Austin where not one but two history professors over a year that included little US history and should have been listed as "White/Male shaming session, 90 min Mon-Wed" not to mention the economics class that taught very little beyond "the government knows how to spend your money better than you." I'm pretty convinced the left has plenty of "my beliefs trump your facts" going on at the University level.

I don't see it as much in the primary education....in fact I see more conservative influence on the younginz' than a liburhul one.

Other than that, I honestly don't see any attempts at "indoctrination".

Of course not....nor would I ever expect you to see any, unless it was RW of course.

 

[phrodeau]

The day I'm forced to attend a church is the day I develop a hacking, phlegm-spraying cough.

 

[phrodeau]

Not much dumber than The Fraud wanting voting to be mandatory.

WTF? I thought we uncovered that lie last week.

 

[RobDownSouth]

What kind of explanation are you looking for? Are you asking my personal views or to actually quantify and proof partisan bias of the US education system? I can only offer the former.

Personal viewpoint is fine.

Not from mine.....after 8hrs of classes at UT Austin where not one but two history professors over a year that included little US history and should have been listed as "White/Male shaming session, 90 min Mon-Wed" not to mention the economics class that taught very little beyond "the government knows how to spend your money better than you." I'm pretty convinced the left has plenty of "my beliefs trump your facts" going on at the University level.

I feel your pain. My Intro to US History course was taught by a Daughter of the Confederacy crone, who docked us a letter grade if we referred to the Civil War as anything other than "the War of Northern Aggression". I gladly took the hit.

And your nattering notwithstanding, government spending is an integral part of most, if not all, economic theory.

I don't see it as much in the primary education....in fact I see more conservative influence on the younginz' than a liburhul one.

Conservatives MUST get to them before they've assimiliated critical thinking. Once they've learned to think critically, wishful thinking and voodoo economics are a lost cause (with the possible exception of Ayn Rand's fiction)

Of course not....nor would I ever expect you to see any, unless it was RW of course.

Yes, yes, we'll just have to disagree about what I "really" think, which of course makes you wrong.