Kramer the racist

[MechaBlade]

*looks up*

The only person that can keep the yoke over your shoulders is yourself.

okay.

*looks down*

He said three times that he doesn't like the word, no matter how it's used, but he understands it a bit more when it's used within the black community, simply because it has a different connotation.

Right...

*looks further down*

Surely you are joking.

One hopes.

*looks back*

I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of American blacks are nothing but welfare losers and criminals.

Wait, what?

Am I supposed to read it backwards or something?

 

[coolr]

i've tried viewing this damn video yesterday and today, and it keeps saying that it's not available, i'm completely irked.

 

[Freya]

Wait, what?

Am I supposed to read it backwards or something?

Here.

Do you understand that I posted that to make a point? Do you understand that I took a post, written earlier in the thread, copied it almost word for word, except for a few notable changes? If not, then I can't be arsed to explain it to you any further.

 

[MechaBlade]

Here.

*looks way, way back*

As to Michael Ricards, I'm not the least bit surprised to find out that he is a racist. I'm of the opinion that the vast majority of American whites are dyed in the wool bigots of every stripe.

Oh.

Honey, you might want to learn to use the quote function.

 

[wazhazhe]

Do you understand that I posted that to make a point? Do you understand that I took a post, written earlier in the thread, copied it almost word for word, except for a few notable changes? If not, then I can't be arsed to explain it to you any further.

Given the opinions you have expressed about Indians (Aboriginals) I understand your point exactly.

 

[Marquis]

Oy.

You work a club, someone heckles, you put up with it for a while, then you get control of the show back one of several ways. You ignore it, you zing back and get everyone laughing, and, if those things don't work, and I'm sure he tried both, you have to stand on a chair and shout something shocking, something profane, something so insulting that it stops the unstoppable asshole talking during your show, who thinks he's "helping" you be funny. In NY, and I'm guessing around LA, you can say (and let me make this perfectly clear), you can say ANYTHING in a nightclub. What you can't do it not be funny.

Richards' mistake was in not following up his remark with material about either racism, or cursing, or the power of words. Lenny Bruce would call someone a "nigger", shock the crowd, and then do fifteen minutes on the idiotic power we assign to words. But Richards just stood there, waiting for the room to "turn" back to him. But that was a mistake. If he had followed up his comment with something funny, with something on topic, even an improvised riff on racism, anything, he would have been alright.

You can see it happen. For about thirty seconds there he had a window. For about thirty seconds the audience was shocked, but laughing. They were willing to see where he was going with this. The heckler was pissed, of course, but they always are. So there's that window. Watch the clip. In those few seconds, in that half a minute, Richards could have done a million things to sweep the room up with him. He could have turned the moment into a gold. But I think he surprised himself with the uglieness of his words. I think he surprised himself by going to a place he never goes, and that's why he had no material to use in that window.

He made two mistakes. He went racial, which is not unforgivable, if you know how to handle it, but clearly he doesn't. There are a million other ways to kill a heckler, but, clearly, Richards was too weary to use them, and went right for the throat. It was mean rather than funny. And his second mistake was not immediately launching into material. He had a window, and the moment the audience felt that he was not on sure footing, the moment the audience knew he wasn't "going somewhere" with his comment, the moment the audience knew he had painted himself into a corner and didn't know how to get out of the room, they turned on him. And he knew it, which is why he left the stage. Once that happens, there is no getting the room back. The absolute best thing to do is walk off the stage and let the Emcee take over. He knew that.

Like I said, you say any horrible thing you want in a comedy club. You can talk about race, religion, politics, use horrible language, anything. But if you're not funny, even talking about puppies is offensive.

These were my thoughts exactly.

 

[Freya]

*looks way, way back*

Oh.

Honey, you might want to learn to use the quote function.

Part of the point of doing it was to see the response when it stood as a statement on its own. I purposely didn't use the quote function for that reason.

Wazhehabe, would you like to quote these statements I've made about natives? Other than some very specific ones, committing an illegal act in a town fairly close to me, I don't believe I've talked about natives on here for quite some time. However, feel free to refresh my memory if I'm mistaken.

 

[RoryN]

Richards' mistake was in not following up his remark with material about either racism, or cursing, or the power of words. Lenny Bruce would call someone a "nigger", shock the crowd, and then do fifteen minutes on the idiotic power we assign to words. But Richards just stood there, waiting for the room to "turn" back to him. But that was a mistake. If he had followed up his comment with something funny, with something on topic, even an improvised riff on racism, anything, he would have been alright.

You can see it happen. For about thirty seconds there he had a window. For about thirty seconds the audience was shocked, but laughing. They were willing to see where he was going with this. The heckler was pissed, of course, but they always are. So there's that window. Watch the clip. In those few seconds, in that half a minute, Richards could have done a million things to sweep the room up with him. He could have turned the moment into a gold. But I think he surprised himself with the uglieness of his words. I think he surprised himself by going to a place he never goes, and that's why he had no material to use in that window.

He made two mistakes. He went racial, which is not unforgivable, if you know how to handle it, but clearly he doesn't. There are a million other ways to kill a heckler, but, clearly, Richards was too weary to use them, and went right for the throat. It was mean rather than funny. And his second mistake was not immediately launching into material. He had a window, and the moment the audience felt that he was not on sure footing, the moment the audience knew he wasn't "going somewhere" with his comment, the moment the audience knew he had painted himself into a corner and didn't know how to get out of the room, they turned on him. And he knew it, which is why he left the stage.

Nail. Head.

And somewhere, Andy Kaufman is looking down so that he can drop cue cards on Michael Richard's head.

 

[Queersetti]

Sorry, English is a second langauge to computer speak. Having to use a qwerty keyboard is painful.

Years ago we had EBONICS shoved down our throat.

Back to watching WET TV. Oh thats right that would be racist.

How was ebonics "shoved doen your throat"?

Did someone make you speak it? Was your driver's license test conducted in ebonics? Did you have to know how to speak it in order to register to vote?

Or are you just whining because you can't stand the idea that not everyone is just like you?

 

[MechaBlade]

How was ebonics "shoved doen your throat"?

Did someone make you speak it? Was your driver's license test conducted in ebonics? Did you have to know how to speak it in order to register to vote?

Or are you just whining because you can't stand the idea that not everyone is just like you?

He had to take an Ebonics class.

I actually did have a class where we were tested on and debated Ebonics (AAVE). But then, it was a linguistics class, so we also covered lots of pidgins, slangs and dialects

 

[Guru]

Like I said, you say any horrible thing you want in a comedy club. You can talk about race, religion, politics, use horrible language, anything. But if you're not funny, even talking about puppies is offensive.

Damn those puppies.

I just saw him apologize on Letterman. Too late, I suppose, given your insight. That is sad, that he was driven to that.

 

[MechaBlade]

Damn those puppies.

I just saw him apologize on Letterman. Too late, I suppose, given your insight. That is sad, that he was driven to that.

Was it a real apology or was it "I'm sorry if anyone was offended by my remarks"?

 

[SleepingWarrior]

Was it a real apology or was it "I'm sorry if anyone was offended by my remarks"?

http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/ap/20061120/116409510000.html

 

[akatrex]

See, you're the problem with white people and why I have to continuously argue points on racism.

I would stab you in the eye if I could.


Yes I'm assuming you're white.

White is the color of things that reflect light of all parts of the visible spectrum. So actually i'm COLORED.

 

[MechaBlade]

http://entertainment.tv.yahoo.com/entnews/ap/20061120/116409510000.html

thanks

 

[akatrex]

How was ebonics "shoved doen your throat"?

Did someone make you speak it? Was your driver's license test conducted in ebonics? Did you have to know how to speak it in order to register to vote?

Or are you just whining because you can't stand the idea that not everyone is just like you?

Dictated by the intelligent Oakland City Council.

 

[MechaBlade]

Dictated by the intelligent Oakland City Council.

You're in Oakland?

 

[akatrex]

You're in Oakland?

Alameda. They dug a moat, and Alameda became and island. True story!

 

[SleepingWarrior]

thanks

No prob... and from what I heard it sounded sincere but its not up to me to forgive or not.

 

[MechaBlade]

Alameda. They dug a moat, and Alameda became and island. True story!

I always wondered about that.

Well in your case, it probably was actually almost shoved down your throat.

 

[akatrex]

He had to take an Ebonics class.

I actually did have a class where we were tested on and debated Ebonics (AAVE). But then, it was a linguistics class, so we also covered lots of pidgins, slangs and dialects

Thankfully it did not last long.

The slaves were taught the Queens English.

 

[Tsar_Bomba]

Krav -

Excellent avatar! Excellent!

 

[Queersetti]

Dictated by the intelligent Oakland City Council.

You don't even live in Oakland!

That's like saying that because my neighbor watches Deal Or No Deal, he's shoving it down my throat.

They probably made you eat bbq ribs and listened to the Delfonics too, didn't they?

 

[Tsar_Bomba]

That's like saying that because my neighbor watches Deal Or No Deal, he's shoving it down my throat.

On a tangent here, but that show has to have the lowest skill requirement of any game show.

All you have to do is pick numbers and not get greedy....

 

[Marquis]

Too funny!

I think DCL really called it.