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the video quality was pretty poor, but looks like he wont be working anytime soon
 
Oy.

You work a club, someone heckles, you put up with it for a while, then you get control of the show back one of several ways. You ignore it, you zing back and get everyone laughing, and, if those things don't work, and I'm sure he tried both, you have to stand on a chair and shout something shocking, something profane, something so insulting that it stops the unstoppable asshole talking during your show, who thinks he's "helping" you be funny. In NY, and I'm guessing around LA, you can say (and let me make this perfectly clear), you can say ANYTHING in a nightclub. What you can't do it not be funny.

Richards' mistake was in not following up his remark with material about either racism, or cursing, or the power of words. Lenny Bruce would call someone a "nigger", shock the crowd, and then do fifteen minutes on the idiotic power we assign to words. But Richards just stood there, waiting for the room to "turn" back to him. But that was a mistake. If he had followed up his comment with something funny, with something on topic, even an improvised riff on racism, anything, he would have been alright.

You can see it happen. For about thirty seconds there he had a window. For about thirty seconds the audience was shocked, but laughing. They were willing to see where he was going with this. The heckler was pissed, of course, but they always are. So there's that window. Watch the clip. In those few seconds, in that half a minute, Richards could have done a million things to sweep the room up with him. He could have turned the moment into a gold. But I think he surprised himself with the uglieness of his words. I think he surprised himself by going to a place he never goes, and that's why he had no material to use in that window.

He made two mistakes. He went racial, which is not unforgivable, if you know how to handle it, but clearly he doesn't. There are a million other ways to kill a heckler, but, clearly, Richards was too weary to use them, and went right for the throat. It was mean rather than funny. And his second mistake was not immediately launching into material. He had a window, and the moment the audience felt that he was not on sure footing, the moment the audience knew he wasn't "going somewhere" with his comment, the moment the audience knew he had painted himself into a corner and didn't know how to get out of the room, they turned on him. And he knew it, which is why he left the stage. Once that happens, there is no getting the room back. The absolute best thing to do is walk off the stage and let the Emcee take over. He knew that.

Like I said, you say any horrible thing you want in a comedy club. You can talk about race, religion, politics, use horrible language, anything. But if you're not funny, even talking about puppies is offensive.
 
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Funny how they called him a white-boy/cracka, when he's Jewish. He should've thrown that in there to see if the audience would start up with anti-semitic remarks.
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
Oy.

You work a club, someone heckles, you put up with it for a while, then you get control of the show back one of several ways. You ignore it, you zing back and get everyone laughing, and, if those things don't work, and I'm sure he tried both, you have to stand on a chair and shout something shocking, something profane, something so insulting that it stops the unstoppable asshole talking during your show, who thinks he's "helping" you be funny. In NY, and I'm guessing around LA, you can say (and let me make this perfectly clear), you can say ANYTHING in a nightclub. What you can't do it not be funny.

Richards' mistake was in not following up his remark with material about either racism, or cursing, or the power of words. Lenny Bruce would call someone a "nigger", shock the crowd, and then do fifteen minutes on the idiotic power we assign to words. But Richards just stood there, waiting for the room to "turn" back to him. But that was a mistake. If he had followed up his comment with something funny, with something on topic, even an improvised riff on racism, anything, he would have been alright.

You can see it happen. For about thirty seconds there he had a window. For about thirty seconds the audience was shocked, but laughing. They were willing to see where he was going with this. The heckler was pissed, of course, but they always are. So there's that window. Watch the clip. In those few seconds, in that half a minute, Richards could have done a million things to sweep the room up with him. He could have turned the moment into a gold. But I think he surprised himself with the uglieness of his words. I think he surprised himself by going to a place he never goes, and that's why he had no material to use in that window.

He made two mistakes. He went racial, which is not unforgivable, if you know how to handle it, but clearly he doesn't. There are a million other ways to kill a heckler, but, clearly, Richards was too weary to use them, and went right for the throat. It was mean rather than funny. And his second mistake was not immediately launching into material. He had a window, and the moment the audience felt that he was not on sure footing, the moment the audience knew he wasn't "going somewhere" with his comment, the moment the audience knew he had painted himself into a corner and didn't know how to get out of the room, they turned on him. And he knew it, which is why he left the stage. Once that happens, there is no getting the room back. The absolute best thing to do is walk off the stage and let the Emcee take over. He knew that.

Like I said, you say any horrible thing you want in a comedy club. You can talk about race, religion, politics, use horrible language, anything. But if you're not funny, even talking about puppies is offensive.
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Even if a skilled black comedian got called nigger by a heckler they would have flipped it into something funny.


The thing about Richards was what he did wasn't comedy it was personal.

He was pissed that a group of black men said he was unfunny so he felt it was important to point out that fifty years ago they would have been "hanging upside down with a fork in his ass".

He took it personal and went personal.

What he said had nothing to do with standup but how he felt about blacks that "forgot their place."


Sincerely,


Your favorite white girl fucking negro, Shaq Diesel
 
Shaq said:
The thing about Richards was what he did wasn't comedy it was personal.
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Exactly right. That was the first lesson I learned about working a room and dealing with hecklers. It was two days before my first nightclub gig, and that's exactly what a comic told me. "Don't ever take the heckling personally. If you do, you lose." That's why Richards couldn't turn it around. Going shocking using the N-word, none of that matters, not in a comedy club. It's where you go with it. And he went nowhere.

Now, I'm perfectly sure he could. I used to watch him in the early 80s at the Improv in NY, way before Seinfeld. The man knows what he's doing. But, if you watch the video, he clearly doesn't want to. He clearly doesn't want to deal with hecklers anymore. You get burnt out after 25-30 years of working the rooms. Especially if you've attained some great level of success. You want your respect without having to earn it by spending ten minutes of your set dealing with hecklers. You expect the room to handle it. You expect the manager to deal with it. I could see and hear the weariness he felt. "Crap. I've come all this way and I now have to put on my Stand Up Comic hat and do my little tricks to shut up this heckler? Why the fuck do I have to do that?" It's like a bored tiger in a circus being asked to jump through yet another fucking hoop. You can see he just doesn't want to deal. And I don't really blame him.
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
Exactly right. That was the first lesson I learned about working a room and dealing with hecklers. It was two days before my first nightclub gig, and that's exactly what a comic told me. "Don't ever take the heckling personally. If you do, you lose." That's why Richards couldn't turn it around. Going shocking using the N-word, none of that matters, not in a comedy club. It's where you go with it. And he went nowhere.

Now, I'm perfectly sure he could. I used to watch him in the early 80s at the Improv in NY, way before Seinfeld. The man knows what he's doing. But, if you watch the video, he clearly doesn't want to. He clearly doesn't want to deal with hecklers anymore. You get burnt out after 25-30 years of working the rooms. Especially if you've attained some great level of success. You want your respect without having to earn it by spending ten minutes of your set dealing with hecklers. You expect the room to handle it. You expect the manager to deal with it. I could see and hear the weariness he felt. "Crap. I've come all this way and I now have to put on my Stand Up Comic hat and do my little tricks to shut up this heckler? Why the fuck do I have to do that?" It's like a bored tiger in a circus being asked to jump through yet another fucking hoop. You can see he just doesn't want to deal. And I don't really blame him.
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you left one thing out earlier, though it's not that big a deal. this thread should have been done after your first post.

he tried to explain himself. tantamount to saying, "i know i'm not funny, but if you got the joke, or understood where i was comming from, or thought it was funny, then you'd see it was funny."
 
paganangel said:
you left one thing out earlier, though it's not that big a deal. this thread should have been done after your first post.

he tried to explain himself. tantamount to saying, "i know i'm not funny, but if you got the joke, or understood where i was comming from, or thought it was funny, then you'd see it was funny."
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Yes, as soon as you start to explain the joke, you've admitted that you're taking this all personally, and you're holding up a big red flag that says "I am not going anywhere funny with this, so please start throwing shit." A comic of his experience and caliber wouldn't make a mistake like that, unless he clearly wasn't interested enough in going on. And he wasn't.
 
Dixon Carter Lee said:
Yes, as soon as you start to explain the joke, you've admitted that you're taking this all personally, and you're holding up a big red flag that says "I am not going anywhere funny with this, so please start throwing shit." A comic of his experience and caliber wouldn't make a mistake like that, unless he clearly wasn't interested enough in going on. And he wasn't.
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experience and caliber? really? i never knew he did stand up before seinfeld. always thought he was an actor from the start. had a few pilots before seinfeld, but i never heard of him outside of that.
 
paganangel said:
experience and caliber? really? i never knew he did stand up before seinfeld. always thought he was an actor from the start. had a few pilots before seinfeld, but i never heard of him outside of that.
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He was the funny guy on Fridays.
 
paganangel said:
experience and caliber? really? i never knew he did stand up before seinfeld. always thought he was an actor from the start. had a few pilots before seinfeld, but i never heard of him outside of that.
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I used to watch him on stage just before he got the "Fridays" gig. I was just starting out then, wetting my feet, taking fucking improv classes. He was funny.
 
This post nailed it. Everybody else STFU.

Dixon Carter Lee said:
Oy.

You work a club, someone heckles, you put up with it for a while, then you get control of the show back one of several ways. You ignore it, you zing back and get everyone laughing, and, if those things don't work, and I'm sure he tried both, you have to stand on a chair and shout something shocking, something profane, something so insulting that it stops the unstoppable asshole talking during your show, who thinks he's "helping" you be funny. In NY, and I'm guessing around LA, you can say (and let me make this perfectly clear), you can say ANYTHING in a nightclub. What you can't do it not be funny.

Richards' mistake was in not following up his remark with material about either racism, or cursing, or the power of words. Lenny Bruce would call someone a "nigger", shock the crowd, and then do fifteen minutes on the idiotic power we assign to words. But Richards just stood there, waiting for the room to "turn" back to him. But that was a mistake. If he had followed up his comment with something funny, with something on topic, even an improvised riff on racism, anything, he would have been alright.

You can see it happen. For about thirty seconds there he had a window. For about thirty seconds the audience was shocked, but laughing. They were willing to see where he was going with this. The heckler was pissed, of course, but they always are. So there's that window. Watch the clip. In those few seconds, in that half a minute, Richards could have done a million things to sweep the room up with him. He could have turned the moment into a gold. But I think he surprised himself with the uglieness of his words. I think he surprised himself by going to a place he never goes, and that's why he had no material to use in that window.

He made two mistakes. He went racial, which is not unforgivable, if you know how to handle it, but clearly he doesn't. There are a million other ways to kill a heckler, but, clearly, Richards was too weary to use them, and went right for the throat. It was mean rather than funny. And his second mistake was not immediately launching into material. He had a window, and the moment the audience felt that he was not on sure footing, the moment the audience knew he wasn't "going somewhere" with his comment, the moment the audience knew he had painted himself into a corner and didn't know how to get out of the room, they turned on him. And he knew it, which is why he left the stage. Once that happens, there is no getting the room back. The absolute best thing to do is walk off the stage and let the Emcee take over. He knew that.

Like I said, you say any horrible thing you want in a comedy club. You can talk about race, religion, politics, use horrible language, anything. But if you're not funny, even talking about puppies is offensive.
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I just saw this on Msnbc.....Im shocked no one got on stage and kicked his ass. If I was in the crowd I certainly would have.
 
I saw him in a movie with Weird Al Yankovic long before Kramer. It was entitled VHF, and was hysterical. He was hysterical, but of course this was as a comedic actor. Now he seems to just be a dick.
 
I'm pretty sure now the best way to fuck up your life is to be in something really sucessful, and then NEVER seeing anything like that level of sucess again in your life.

Just look at all those kids from "Diff'rent Strokes"....
 
Eh this won't make much a dent in his career at all, give it a week and most people will forget.

I mean for fuck sakes I see enough friends call one another nigger or dirty jew all the time, no one gives a shit. The word use to be purely a put down, now it's becoming little more than another word like fuck, give it another ten years and it'll lose the taboo because there are enough people out there who forget what it really meant in the first place that includes african americans who call it to one another all the time now and dont' bat an eye lash at it.

Many people take for granted what their fathers and grand parents had to endure and the meaning of the word is one example of it.
 
he said the same thing rappers have been spouting for a few decades now
 
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