Koln, inter alia.

[PoppingTom]

The stink of it was that the police and apparently the media seem to collude to downplay the scale of the problem. So far about 100 women have filed criminal complaints of harrassment and ... 7 people arrested?!

You know, in Germany, you won't get arrested for driving your bicycle on the pavement. Or for singing "Fuck the police".

The only aim of the police is to gain control. Only inflamers get arrested.

 

[torchthebitch]

The stink of it was that the police and apparently the media seem to collude to downplay the scale of the problem. So far about 100 women have filed criminal complaints of harrassment and ... 7 people arrested?!
Women have been helpfully advised to keep such nasty ruffians at arms-length so twitter offered this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYDEzLXWcAAUzPu.jpg

In fairness I don't think the women subjected to the attacks could have given the police much information that could be used to identify the guilty. Also the Germans probably did not anticipate anything on that scale.

If women in Europe are supposed to modify their behaviour and give up their freedom of movement in their own towns and cities what use is Schengen?

 

[BotanyBoy]

The stink of it was that the police and apparently the media seem to collude to downplay the scale of the problem.

RACIST!!!

ISLAMAPHOBE!!!

 

[PoppingTom]

RACIST!!!

ISLAMAPHOBE!!!

More "American paranoid police loving gun owner with a huge collection of zombie survival movies"

 

[BotanyBoy]

More "American paranoid police loving gun owner with a huge collection of zombie survival movies"

Police loving?

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/85/30/5e/85305efdd72a102c6f368bc0627b695c.gif

You couldn't be any dumber about the shit you make up about me could you?

I don't own a single zombie survival movie.

And I don't own any guns either.

Paranoid? It's possible.....doesn't make me wrong though.

Just how much wrong shit does your German arrogance have you assuming about me? It's like you lay around trying to make me out to be some white robe wearing deputy from backwater Alabama......

 

[stickygirl]

You know, in Germany, you won't get arrested for driving your bicycle on the pavement. Or for singing "Fuck the police".

The only aim of the police is to gain control. Only inflamers get arrested.

So they failed on both counts.
The other role of police is to document what is happening so that future potential problems can be avoided. It was evident the police were unprepared for what happened and initially reported the night as peaceful.
Did you have much problem in Berlin?

In fairness I don't think the women subjected to the attacks could have given the police much information that could be used to identify the guilty. Also the Germans probably did not anticipate anything on that scale.

If women in Europe are supposed to modify their behaviour and give up their freedom of movement in their own towns and cities what use is Schengen?

Schengen was a nice idea when there was stability in Europe, but that has all changed now. The politicians are too frightened to admit to it and only will when they see their support being challenged in the ballot box. Great leadership huh?

These guys were tearing up their ID papers ( we don't have those in the UK btw ) and laughing at the police saying, 'tomorrow we can get new papers'.

The biggest laugh was the Mayor's response, suggesting women she could strangers "at arms length" seriously, wtf?

But hey, I just follow what is ( finally ) in the papers

 

[PoppingTom]

So they failed on both counts.
The other role of police is to document what is happening so that future potential problems can be avoided. It was evident the police were unprepared for what happened and initially reported the night as peaceful.

It was New Years Eve, and it's rarely "peaceful" at that time in a German city this size. People and police expect things to get out of control on such days. It wasn't a terror attack, so the first reaction was "everything as expected". Just in the aftermath, police and the press realized this was a serious issue that needs action.

Yes, the police was unprepared, because something like this hasn't happen in Germany ever.

Did you have much problem in Berlin?

Depends on what you see as a problem. Germans aren't happy if they got no problems.

Schengen was a nice idea when there was stability in Europe, but that has all changed now. The politicians are too frightened to admit to it and only will when they see their support being challenged in the ballot box. Great leadership huh?

Let's talk about the inner borders of the US....oops!

Great leadership, for sure.....

 

[Sean]

The police chief in Cologne is resigning:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35261359

 

[oggbashan]

The reaction, not just in Germany, but in other parts of Europe, is going to be worrying.

Most UK cities have a problem with drunken behaviour on Friday and Saturday nights and women are becoming as bad as the men. But those most at risk of assault or robbery are young revellers.

What was different in Koln was the scale of the offences and the presumed nationalities of the offenders. With CCTV operating over the whole area, I would expect more people to be charged in the next week or so. Once those cases come to trial we will see who was responsible. So far it doesn't seem as if the recent asylum seekers from Syria are the majority, or even more than a minority, of those involved. IF the asylum seekers are found to be the majority of offenders I would expect those convicted to be deported, despite any forged documentation.

It is offence in most of Europe (not the UK) to fail to carry and, if required, produce identification. I expect that German police will be far more vigorous in enforcing that, and not accepting excuses for lapses.

 

[oggbashan]

The police chief in Cologne is resigning:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35261359

Not resigning - taking early retirement. That costs him nothing, but is a worthwhile gesture to appease the politicians.

 

[stickygirl]

It was New Years Eve, and it's rarely "peaceful" at that time in a German city this size. People and police expect things to get out of control on such days. It wasn't a terror attack, so the first reaction was "everything as expected". Just in the aftermath, police and the press realized this was a serious issue that needs action.

Yes, the police was unprepared, because something like this hasn't happen in Germany ever.

or Austria, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland... So yes, standing back from a huge crowd, you wouldn't see what was going on in the middle... The German girl interviewed on BBC said this too - that this has never happened before.
It's a problem of scale: a few thousand can be found homes amongst other Europeans and then it makes it much easier for them to get used to our ways of living. 1.1 million and you're being invaded and it all feels like putting a sticky-plaster on a broken leg. The problems of Agfan', Syria, Somalia ... need tackled at source and then no one has to leave their home. *pfft* no easy answer but Europe needs to grab this one my the balls or else the far-right will get into power.

Depends on what you see as a problem. Germans aren't happy if they got no problems.

 

[torchthebitch]

The police chief in Cologne is resigning:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-35261359

I don't blame him, but it does get him off the hook.

 

[torchthebitch]

The only thing different about the New Year's Eve attack in Koln/Cologne was the scale of it.

Many cities across Europe, including the UK, have gangs of pickpockets using sexual assault as a distraction tactic. They are not usually after sex, just the woman's mobile phone and credit/debit cards.

London's Oxford Street has too many pickpockets working in teams despite the Police's attempts to discourage them.

In the UK a disproportionate number of those arrested are Romanians, who are legally allowed to travel to the UK. If arrested too often in London, they tend to migrate to other cities in the UK or elsewhere in Europe.

New Year's Eve, when many people are on the street having taken too much alcohol, is a prime time for pickpockets.

But some men will take advantage of drunk women. Those men are assholes, not necessarily immigrant assholes, but there are immigrant assholes too.

Attacks where people are in close proximity are well documented, commuter trains in particular. Also there were some high profile Western victims in the Tahrir Square demonstrations which served to highlight the prevalence of attacks on Cairene women. An effective police force ought to have been able to include this information in their planning.

 

[torchthebitch]

“They didn't just harm the victims and themselves - they harmed thousands [of migrants] who left their homes because of precisely such crimes,” wrote Riham al-Kousaa, a Palestinian-Syrian journalist, warning it would take a long to erase prejudices caused by events in Cologne.

telegraph.co.uk