Knowledge is power

[Pocketshaver]

We all have our interests and experiences. That's taken care of.


Now here is something I have seen a lot all over literotica. But from my own experience, the BDSM and even fetish category needs to have two sections. a section for stories that are actually plausible/possible/within the confines of normal, morally based BDSM and FETISH.

And a section for impossible, un plausible, and other wise stories that would never happen in the world of sane BDSM and FETISH.


So many stories have been written by people who have no experience with BDSM OR FETISH other then what they saw on literotica and internet sex sites. SO much violates basic tenants.

Yes I know most people use FETLIFE for their knowledge base, but when you have a perverted source of knowledge, you get crap from it.

I admit, BDSM needs to be broken back into its constituent compents of bondage/domination, domisation/submission, and Sado Masochism to get it honest and accurate.

1 of the first BDSM stories on here I read really turned my stomach from the lack of knowledge and lack of safety in it.
A woman was directed by text message from an 'internet only dom" to go to a rail way station in England and get naked and handcuff herself to an over head pipe just before the station closed for the night.
Never happens in real life, unless you want to die.

Yeah I guess im challenging you guys to get some EXPERIENCE and KNOWLEDGE before you write bullshit stories in this category. As someone with experience, its laughable how many young women go to a bar/club, go home with a stranger and after having sex with handcuffs, decide to be that persons new submissive the next morning.
Or how many people go knock on a door, get drugged, wake up naked and chained, and decide that they NEED and WANT to be some ones chained up, pimped out sex slave.

 

[AfterDusk]

I can understand your irritation with this, honestly I think it extends to a lot of categories beyond BDSM. I’m not sure how feasible it would be to sort the wheat from the chaff, other than to vote accordingly so that the bad stories fall out of readership.

I would say it is a little harsh to expect authors to have fully experienced what they are writing about; I’d imagine a lot of those in the I/T category haven’t had relations with relatives. Personally, I have never fucked a centaur though I write about them, so I’m pretty much winging it in that aspect.

Perhaps we should start a movement to endorse a new tag for realistic BDSM? That seems like the only reachable way to distinguish the stories, as we all know that changes to the site are few and far between.

 

[SimonDoom]

What you are asking is not realistic. This is a site for fiction. There is no requirement that it must correspond strictly to reality. Nor would there be any realistic way to multiply categories and separate "realistic" BDSM stories from "unrealistic" BDSM stories.

I don't think it's appropriate to chide authors for writing about things about which they have no experience. This is a place to let imaginations run wild, experience be damned.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I can understand your irritation with this, honestly I think it extends to a lot of categories beyond BDSM. I’m not sure how feasible it would be to sort the wheat from the chaff, other than to vote accordingly so that the bad stories fall out of readership.

Basically all of this. It would be great to have some way to distinguish between stories with realistic trans people and stories about hyperfetishised dickgirls, between lesbians written by-and-for men and those who bear some resemblance to real women, etc. etc. etc. And, definitely, "BDSM that might be fun as fantasy but will probably get you killed/maimed IRL if even physically possible" vs. the other kind. (Also, while we're at it, I'd like to see better delineation between BDSM and Nonconsent, because where this site draws the line doesn't seem to match my criteria.)

But I don't see a practical way to make it happen, without massive changes to the way this site is run. Literotica largely depends on self-categorisation, and many of the folk who don't write realistic/healthy/etc. stories don't know what realistic/healthy/etc. actually looks like.

 

[KeithD]

The elements of BDSM don't have to be done "right" by some self-appointed group's rules to be treated in fiction. The separate elements have their own sliding-scale definitions not controlled by any rules. If someone is tied up in sex, it's bondage. If someone is controlling in the act, it is some form of domination. If one is cruel to the other, it is some form of sadism. If one wants the other to be cruel to them, it is some form of masochism. It doesn't have to have rules and it doesn't have to be done "right" by anyone's rules to be woven into a story. Those letting BDSM clubs control them and make them, in turn, try to control how writers put forms and scales of these activities in their stories, they can jolly well establish a writing file within their group and have a ball with it.

 

[Pocketshaver]

The elements of BDSM don't have to be done "right" by some self-appointed group's rules to be treated in fiction. The separate elements have their own sliding-scale definitions not controlled by any rules. If someone is tied up in sex, it's bondage. If someone is controlling in the act, it is some form of domination. If one is cruel to the other, it is some form of sadism. If one wants the other to be cruel to them, it is some form of masochism. It doesn't have to have rules and it doesn't have to be done "right" by anyone's rules to be woven into a story. Those letting BDSM clubs control them and make them, in turn, try to control how writers put forms and scales of these activities in their stories, they can jolly well establish a writing file within their group and have a ball with it.

rope suspension is a dangerous thing, knew a rope bunny who had a shoulder dislocated and suffered nerve damage in that arm because the so called rope artist had no idea what he was doing, and had learned everything he knew by READING about it.

Impact play can get you killed, so can breath play.

I don't think it's appropriate to chide authors for writing about things about which they have no experience. This is a place to let imaginations run wild, experience be damned. SIMON DOOM

Actually we DO need to correct people when they are wrong. When someone starts spouting falsity and dangerous things as good and healthy,, we must. WE MUST.

I once knew a person who gave photography lectures. Lenses, film types, suitability for cameras, and so on. He did a good job of the basics of how to use cameras, film types, shutter speeds, light modification and so on. But the moron tried to put FILM into a DIGITAL CAMERA.

Should we not educate that person?

 

[KeithD]

I think you need to open your own Web site, Pocketshaver, and do your club thing there. The readers here are supposed to be adults; they're responsible for themselves and what they take away from a read. You don't make the rules for others writing or reading fiction. Bondage is being tied up. Domination is one taking control. Sadism is one being cruel. Masochism is one wanting the other to be cruel. These are acts. They involved degrees of application. There are no rules beyond basic law. You don't make the rules. There are safety concerns that require common sense, but so do cooking on a stove and taking a shower. Clubs don't give rules for these. People take responsibility for how/if they do them. And just because you read stories doesn't mean you go out and do everything you read about. If you do, it's your responsibility.

 

[RejectReality]

I hardly think anyone is going to be misled by "wrong" BDSM stories in the category, because they're castigated viciously — in minute detail — in the comments and utterly devastated in score.

The nuclear option of annihilating any author who dares step outside the lines is already in place, and has been for years. The number of authors who come to the forum is minuscule, so I don't think you're going to do much to advance your cause of chasing those "wrong" authors away here, compared to the relentless campaign that's already in progress. 4.69/80 2PCs

 

[Hypoxia]

But the moron tried to put FILM into a DIGITAL CAMERA.

Better than squirting petrol into a Tesla.

A reality fetish possesses me. I try to make my tales factual -- unless drama calls for reality to be tossed out. The fetish has me write of what I think I know, or can research. Much of what I think I know is probably wrong but hey, nobody pays me to be right on LIT. Some of what I think I know is dated. My bad.

I don't pretend to know or care much about certain (many) subjects so I either ignore or finesse the details. If I describe unlikely positions and actions, I don't expect readers to try them and maybe damage somebody. It's fiction, folks.

 

[TxRad]

I have a story set in the mid 70's with a digital camera. Oops!

Shit happens.

 

[Hypoxia]

I have a story set in the mid 70's with a digital camera. Oops!

Shit happens.

In the sequel, blame a time warp.

 

[KeithD]

I have a story set in the mid 70's with a digital camera. Oops!

Shit happens.

I write a lot of spy stories. I brush that sort of thing away by claiming the intel community had everything decades before the general population did.

 

[Jada59]

Basically all of this. It would be great to have some way to distinguish between stories with realistic trans people and stories about hyperfetishised dickgirls, between lesbians written by-and-for men and those who bear some resemblance to real women, etc. etc. etc. And, definitely, "BDSM that might be fun as fantasy but will probably get you killed/maimed IRL if even physically possible" vs. the other kind. (Also, while we're at it, I'd like to see better delineation between BDSM and Nonconsent, because where this site draws the line doesn't seem to match my criteria.)

But I don't see a practical way to make it happen, without massive changes to the way this site is run. Literotica largely depends on self-categorisation, and many of the folk who don't write realistic/healthy/etc. stories don't know what realistic/healthy/etc. actually looks like.

Yep, yep. My stories are realistic and most of them are things that actually happened. My poetry? Well... That's subjective I suppose. The stuff I write is what appeals to me.

I am in the process of writing novel, the genre of which wouldn't necessarily be suitable for posting here and has a bit of stuff akin to "The Lion, Witch and Wardrobe" series. Not exactly that but in terms of fantasty/real/unreal, somewhat like that. But to me, it's different in that it's not a sex novel. And I'm only up to chapter 4, but it's not likely that there will be sex written into it. That's not where I'm going with it. It's more of a thing that would appeal to all ages.

My completed novel does have a lot of sex in it and it's all very realistic in terms of what happens although some of the plot is a tad far fetched. But then again, I'm aiming at comedy at least in parts of it.

I wouldn't want the categories to be broken down too far. That gets rather clinical for me and I'd likely be turned off by the time I got to the stories I wanted to read. At least after having to sort through all of that. I prefer to glance at a story (I suppose it helps that I learned to speed read) and see if it's of interest. If it contains stuff that I'm not into, I'm not likely to read it.

And for me there a line between talking to someone about a fantasy and writing about it. Example being a conversation I once had about my Hitachi. The guy wanted to strap it on me for a few hours. Nice thought! But I had to point out that it would overheat in that amount of time. Yep, call me Debbie Downer. Ha! So while the thought of that is arousing and I might discuss it, I wouldn't write that into a story because it just plain couldn't happen.

Then there are those who don't care if the story is realistic or not. We're all turned on by different things. And that's fine by me!

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Yawn. Another rant about categories. Never going to happen. Never. Not here.

Want to effect a change, start your own website.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I have a story set in the mid 70's with a digital camera. Oops!

Shit happens.

I wrote a scene that takes place circa 1990, in which the main character is at sea and his family can't get in touch with him. A reader asked "Why didn't they just call him?"

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I wrote a scene that takes place circa 1990, in which the main character is at sea and his family can't get in touch with him. A reader asked "Why didn't they just call him?"

They never made megaphones that big.

 

[Maeven_quinn]

rope suspension is a dangerous thing, knew a rope bunny who had a shoulder dislocated and suffered nerve damage in that arm because the so called rope artist had no idea what he was doing, and had learned everything he knew by READING about it.

Honestly, I don't know if this is fault of the author, the rigger, or rope bunny. Everyone is responsible for their own and each other's safety.

A lot more went wrong in that situation than a rigger who read bad erotica.

Actually we DO need to correct people when they are wrong. When someone starts spouting falsity and dangerous things as good and healthy,, we must. WE MUST.

We do have a responsibility to research and explore what we write about, if for no other reason to make a good convincing story.

I don't know if we're obligated to "call out" bad writing though. Of course, I hated having to explain why I didn't like 50 shades to people over and over again. That book is dangerous.

 

[SimonDoom]

I don't think it's appropriate to chide authors for writing about things about which they have no experience. This is a place to let imaginations run wild, experience be damned. SIMON DOOM

Actually we DO need to correct people when they are wrong. When someone starts spouting falsity and dangerous things as good and healthy,, we must. WE MUST.

I don't agree.

This isn't a "how-to" site. It's a fiction site. It's a fantasy site. Anybody who reads a Literotica story about rope suspension and says to themselves "I'm going to do that!" without investigation into how it's really to be done is an idiot. I doubt very much that anyone actually does that. People actually interested in rope suspension can find other media to learn about it. Authors of fantasy/fiction stories are not responsible for idiots.

This is a theme that pops up in these threads from time to time -- criticizing authors or stories for being socially irresponsible because they don't present the subject matter as it "really is." Critics of incest stories, for example, keep pointing out that most incest is coercive and abuse and involves little kids. They're right, but so what? That's not what these stories are about. Literotica incest has nothing to do with most real-world incest, and authors of Literotica incest have no moral responsibility to acknowledge real-world incest. The same thing is true for all categories of stories.

Doing some research can be important to give one's story verisimilitude -- the appearance of truth. But this is an artistic principle, not a moral one. The notion that one shouldn't write about bondage in fiction without personal familiarity with bondage is a very silly idea, in my opinion.

 

[Hypoxia]

Yawn. Another rant about categories. Never going to happen. Never. Not here.

Well, if Manu is bribed enough...

They never made megaphones that big.

Radiotelephony existed then. His family were cheap skags.

 

[MelissaBaby]

I don't agree.

This isn't a "how-to" site. It's a fiction site. It's a fantasy site.

I have written a bunch of scenes of people having sex on boats. I don't really know shit about boats. Sometimes I forget which is starboard and which is port. If someone reads one of my stories and decides to go fuck on a boat, great, but I take no responsibility if they drown.

 

[MelissaBaby]

Radiotelephony existed then. His family were cheap skags.

Yeah, but the reader literally didn't understand that everybody wasn't walking around with a cel phone in 1990.

 

[clistenovena]

I have written a bunch of scenes of people having sex on boats. I don't really know shit about boats. Sometimes I forget which is starboard and which is port. If someone reads one of my stories and decides to go fuck on a boat, great, but I take no responsibility if they drown.

https://i.imgur.com/yoGtFrd.gif

 

[Hypoxia]

I occasionally include in my disclaimer, "Don't try this at home, kids." I've only received a few negative comments, just from survivors. But there's alway another moron.

 

[SimonDoom]

I occasionally include in my disclaimer, "Don't try this at home, kids." I've only received a few negative comments, just from survivors. But there's alway another moron.

You can put a sign up that says "Warning -- Electric Fence," and there's always some idiot who has to challenge the authority of the sign and put his hand on the wire. There's nothing you can do about that, and fiction writers shouldn't have to worry about it.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Well, if Manu is bribed enough...

Radiotelephony existed then. His family were cheap skags.

CQ, CQ, CQ this is King Richard Lima four niner Bravo calling any station...

To bad that only reaches to the horizon then keeps going into outer space. Unless of course you happen to hit an inversion layer and it bounces back toward earth.