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Ebonyfire said:Originally posted by MissTaken [/i]
How do you use it?
"Not a whole lot."
Do you?
"I do as part of some of my rituals."
In what circumstances?
"It depends on what is occurring and in some rituals it is standardized."
"But I am not romantically involved with my subs."
Eb
MissTaken said:How do you use it?
Do you?
In what circumstances?
For subs:
When is it most necessary?
Do you enjoy it?
I love kissing, always.
MissTaken said:How do you use it?
Do you?
In what circumstances?
For subs:
When is it most necessary?
Do you enjoy it?
I love kissing, always.
Quint said:Perse, almost everyone above agreed with you that kissing was crucial! Don't keep knocking yourself as the "newbie." There are always newbier, and you're quite intelligent enough to make up for whatever lack of experience you have.
i am in the same predicament, Des... my Dom is a very good friend, we trust each other, and play well together. There is a fondness between us, but it is not love, and probably never will be. Unfortunately, i have very strong feelings for someone else, so we will see how that plays out....Desdemona said:I definitely need and crave the affection before, during and after a scene. It motivates me to continue and to push limits. I need an emotional bond in order to truly submit.
I'm not necessarily talking about being in love (although that would be wonderful some day). I have a play partner who is a good friend. He cares about me as a person and it shows whenever we interact. I don't love him, but I do like and respect him. The bond of friendship, respect and affection really does allow me to feel safe and to submit when we play.
SierraMoon said:
i am in the same predicament, Des... my Dom is a very good friend, we trust each other, and play well together. There is a fondness between us, but it is not love, and probably never will be. Unfortunately, i have very strong feelings for someone else, so we will see how that plays out....
Desdemona said:
I'll have to consider this more fully. I never think about this friend of mine as *my Dom*. That is probably because I always hold something in reserve from him. But for now, having him as a friend and play partner meets some of my needs. When I'm ready to wholeheartedly submit and allow myself to be vulnerable again, I will. For me, that level of trust requires a much deeper emotional connection than I have or expect with this friend.
I hope you will find happiness with this other person, Sierra.
Persephone36 said:
I understand where you and Sierra are at Des. I haven't had bdsm play partners -- but I've had lovers who were friends, who I trusted and respected. It just wasn't love. Didn't stop me from having great experiences with them -- and not just 'nilla ones, lol.
But I also know what you mean about allowing yourself to be vulnerable again with the right person. It has to be the right person -- the one you can fall in love with. I do understand that. I'm right there with you, babe.![]()
In the meantime -- it's wonderful to have a friend you trust enough and whose company you enjoy enough to play with. I know sometimes there comes a little sadness that you don't "love" them -- but still, there's a real bond there. And that's something to be cherished -- even if it's not everything your heart desires.
*Big hug* Des
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Desdemona said:
Thanks Perse. I am very pleased to have a friend I can play with and I actually don't want to fall in love him. He has other attachments; we provide each other with a safe outlet for meeting needs that aren't being met elsewhere. We have a fabulous time together and always part feeling satisfied. We both enjoy the afterglow and the affection within our friendship. We also both understand that there is no possibility for more and have talked about remaining friends when I do eventually meet *the one*.
I am not at all unhappy with the current arrangement and I'm sorry if I gave the wrong impression. Perhaps the sadness over my recent loss came through. I'm working on it though. This will pass with time. It's only been a few weeks and I am optimistic about my future. I'm even thinking about placing a personal ad or two.
Persephone36 said:
No, I didn't think you sounded sad...maybe I could sense what you were saying about your more recent loss. But actually -- I'd say that was me projecting how I felt in my last relationship. We had the same situation in a way -- he had other attachments, so the boundaries were clear and that was great. It was the right person, right time, no regrets. I just meant occasionally -- because the sex was so great, lol, I would just think -- wow, how much more amazing would this be if I was in love, rather than with a friend. Just a momentary thing -- not something I ever fixated on. But probably natural.
But like you -- never for a minute did I part from him ever feeling less. He made me feel great and appreciated -- and we're still friends even if the sexual relationship is over. He's still supportive and fun to talk to -- and for that I think I'm genuinely lucky.
Being optimistic about the future is wonderful Des. You'll get there, so will I -- just takes time. And faith in yourself.
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zipman7 said:
After reading your posts and getting to know how you think, I really believe it is just a matter of time before you do find that person who can fulfill all of your dreams!!
And although I have only "chatted" with the infamous Duchess of Decadence on a few occasions, her posts lead me to believe the same will be true for her!
zipman7 said:
And although I have only "chatted" with the infamous Duchess of Decadence on a few occasions, her posts lead me to believe the same will be true for her!
Persephone36 said:
No, I didn't think you sounded sad...maybe I could sense what you were saying about your more recent loss. But actually -- I'd say that was me projecting how I felt in my last relationship. We had the same situation in a way -- he had other attachments, so the boundaries were clear and that was great. It was the right person, right time, no regrets. I just meant occasionally -- because the sex was so great, lol, I would just think -- wow, how much more amazing would this be if I was in love, rather than with a friend. Just a momentary thing -- not something I ever fixated on. But probably natural.
But like you -- never for a minute did I part from him ever feeling less. He made me feel great and appreciated -- and we're still friends even if the sexual relationship is over. He's still supportive and fun to talk to -- and for that I think I'm genuinely lucky.
Being optimistic about the future is wonderful Des. You'll get there, so will I -- just takes time. And faith in yourself.
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