Killing Jobs Softly

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

http://www.my9nj.com/Story/23887897/nj-voters-approve-increasing-minimum-wage

Hoisting minimum wage is how unions raise their pay without contract negotiations.

For the peasants at the bottom of the food chain, with no high value skills, its slow job death. Its slow job death cuz it encourages employers to hire illegals and order goods from China and cut hours or buy technology to replace people. You can run a machine 24/7 and not pay a dime to ObamaCare.

 

[Que]

You will never win that argument with Trotskyites. Union pigs are just slightly more equal than other pigs.

I was trying to have this conversation gently with the youngest manager of a local chain, who happens to share one half of my deoxyribonucleic acid.

As I explained its effect on inflation and real buying power. As well as its insidious effect on the bottom end of people starting out... she pointed out that she got her first raised very early based on merit and feels that she's going to succeed on merit which I aplaud. And since her contract is based on a certain dollar amount over minimum wage in each successive raise is tied to that bassline it invests her like the Union people in the idea that it's perfectly fine.

Her industries very labor intensive in depends on low-skilled high school students to do quite a bit of the work. Already trying to keep everyone's hours under 30 has both stressed their low paid workers as well as made scheduling much more difficult for those who are the bottom of the food chain aren't expected to be earning a "living wage" earning pocket money. And more importantly they're learning to show up on time to do with their ass to do and to smile at the public, when really they're feeling grouchy and hungry.

If minimum wageincreases goes through, they will definitely be getting more ingredients in a highly prepped state. Less profitable stores will be closed and consolidated. And each employee will be asked to shoulder more responsibility.

The thing that amazes me is the issue of pride. I can imagine being off so little value to my employer at any time that he wouldn't gladly pay me more than whatever the going rate in the area is. You really want to have your employer ko worst into giving you something begrudgingly? That kind of resentment tends to breed divorce I mean involuntary separation from your employer.

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

You will never win that argument with Trotskyites. Union pigs are just slightly more equal than other pigs.

I was trying to have this conversation gently with the youngest manager of a local chain, who happens to share one half of my deoxyribonucleic acid.

As I explained its effect on inflation and real buying power. As well as its insidious effect on the bottom end of people starting out... she pointed out that she got her first raised very early based on merit and feels that she's going to succeed on merit which I aplaud. And since her contract is based on a certain dollar amount over minimum wage in each successive raise is tied to that bassline it invests her like the Union people in the idea that it's perfectly fine.

Her industries very labor intensive in depends on low-skilled high school students to do quite a bit of the work. Already trying to keep everyone's hours under 30 has both stressed their low paid workers as well as made scheduling much more difficult for those who are the bottom of the food chain aren't expected to be earning a "living wage" earning pocket money. And more importantly they're learning to show up on time to do with their ass to do and to smile at the public, when really they're feeling grouchy and hungry.

If minimum wageincreases goes through, they will definitely be getting more ingredients in a highly prepped state. Less profitable stores will be closed and consolidated. And each employee will be asked to shoulder more responsibility.

The thing that amazes me is the issue of pride. I can imagine being off so little value to my employer at any time that he wouldn't gladly pay me more than whatever the going rate in the area is. You really want to have your employer ko worst into giving you something begrudgingly? That kind of resentment tends to breed divorce I mean involuntary separation from your employer.

Sure.

I was union for many years, and my lowest paid years of employment were my union years. I generally made serious money for 6 months then sat home for six months, and many times I drove 100 miles one-way to the job site (industrial sheet metal or boilermaking crafts), and often they wanted me to drive 200 miles one way with no per diem or mileage. So I had a business on the side doing civil-structural engineering problem solving.

I made my money buying and selling land. I also made money buying boxcar loads of plywood and sheetrock. In the 1982 dip I bought both at fire sale prices, then sold them when construction rebounded. A 1000 sheets of plywood at $3 jumped to $8. Its how Rockefeller got started. My old man usta do it. He'd buy a trailer from Rock & Dirt Magazine on Friday for $1000, and sell it Monday for $3000. We steam cleaned it, painted it, replaced tires, replaced rotted timber. Made a 1000 profit.

 

[chillywilly2]

Right now, the median wage earners compared to the 1%er's are at their lowest point since the depression, and it is comparable to the depression.

There is no money being made because there is no demand for anything because nobody has any money to spend.

Sales are down because people are broke

Raise wages and people will have money to spend and the 1%er's can start making money again

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Right now, the median wage earners compared to the 1%er's are at their lowest point since the depression, and it is comparable to the depression.

There is no money being made because there is no demand for anything because nobody has any money to spend.

Sales are down because people are broke

Raise wages and people will have money to spend and the 1%er's can start making money again

Paper money has little value unless you wanna wipe your ass with it. Whats valuable are goods and services. Moneys utility is its means to transport exchange from here to there.

The 1%ers make money using the cash the Fed creates to buy common stock or loan it to peasants for 24% interest. Obama loans the cash to the banks for nuthin, the banks then loan it out for credit card purchases or to Chelsea Clinton for a token interest.

 

[chillywilly2]

People still don't have any money to spend...raise wages and get the economy going...quit bellyaching about your silly health care

 

[JohnnySavage]

Paper money has little value unless you wanna wipe your ass with it. Whats valuable are goods and services. Moneys utility is its means to transport exchange from here to there.

The 1%ers make money using the cash the Fed creates to buy common stock or loan it to peasants for 24% interest. Obama loans the cash to the banks for nuthin, the banks then loan it out for credit card purchases or to Chelsea Clinton for a token interest.

Occasionally you stumble on to something spot on.

Maybe you subscribe to my newsletter though.

 

[LiFeNdEaTh]

interesting

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Occasionally you stumble on to something spot on.

Maybe you subscribe to my newsletter though.

If I was running things I'd test everyone for their vocational aptitudes, then sit them down with the scores, and explain their options. Take me for example:

At the low end (earnings wise) I was a good fit for sheet metal work, and I did sheet metal work for many years with no complaints. A rung or two higher was landscape architect. Higher yet was petroleum engineer. And at the top was research physician. According to the test I have the right stuff for those vocations.

So you explain things to the kid, and try and determine their enthusiasm for one or more of the jobs listed on their test scores. Cuz some jobs require 2 months training and some require a decade or more. If they wanna get married and take the kids to Disney World every year maybe they wanna be a cop or career military.

Get them sorted out and going the right direction so that naturals are where God intends them to be.

 

[dan_c00000]

http://www.my9nj.com/Story/23887897/nj-voters-approve-increasing-minimum-wage

Hoisting minimum wage is how unions raise their pay without contract negotiations.

Let me ask you this what if the state government decided that a contract was basically null and void because it can just do that sort of thing, would you scream bloody murder and socialism? Because it already happened to those same unions.

Also you're about to get owned on your own thread so be warned. Raising the minimum wage doesn't kill jobs.

Top Three Myths Conservatives Use To Oppose Increasing The Minimum Wage

By Pat Garofalo on July 26, 2012 at 2:00 pm


House Democrats have introduced a bill in the House — bound to go nowhere due to the Republican majority — that would increase the minimum wage to $10. This would give the wage the purchasing power that it had in the 1960s.

Republicans have publicly met the idea of raising the minimum wage with contempt, with Rep. Bill Young (R-FL) even nonsensically telling one constituent who asked about the Democrats’ bill to “get a job.” Meanwhile, thousands of working Americans this week rallied in favor a higher minimum wage.

Conservative opposition to a higher minimum wage hinges on a few tired arguments that ultimately protect big businesses and hurt low-income workers. Here are the favorite conservative myths when it comes to the minimum wage and why there’s really nothing to them:


1) The minimum wage kills jobs. “It’s a classic election-year ploy to make the Democrats look like they’re protecting low-income workers. I think it’s well understood that raising the minimum wage hurts workers on the lower end of the pay scale in that it does kill jobs,” said a recent statement from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce. However, several academic studies have shown that raising the minimum wage does not have a negative effect on employment. In fact, an analysis of state minimum wage increases showed that those state boosting their wage “had job growth slightly above the national average.”

2) Increasing the minimum wage hurts small businesses. Gov. Chris Christie (R-NJ) reacted to a proposal to raise the minimum wage by saying that small business owners are “going to have to lay people off.” However, two-thirds of low-wage workers actually work for big corporations, most of which have largely recovered from the recession and could therefore afford to increase wages. The three largest employers of low-wage workers have all seen large profit increases in the last few years.





3) Increasing the minimum wage only benefits teenagers. Many Republicans argue that raising the minimum wage just hurts teenagers’ ability to gain work experience. But as a new report from the Economic Policy Institute shows, nearly 90 percent of minimum wage workers are 20 years old or older. Plus, “more than a third (35.8 percent) [of minimum wage workers] are married, and over a quarter (28.0 percent) are parents.”

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

DAN

Youre fulla shit.

Workers of every stripe are expensive.

When you raise pay without increasing productivity the bottom line makes machines and offshore production more attractive. Why carry a dozen people when all you need is two clerks and a guy with a forklift to unload the boat.

 

[dan_c00000]

DAN

Youre fulla shit.

Workers of every stripe are expensive.

When you raise pay without increasing productivity the bottom line makes machines and offshore production more attractive. Why carry a dozen people when all you need is two clerks and a guy with a forklift to unload the boat.

To say you're massively stupid is just the tip of the iceberg. U.S. worker productivity is high. It's wages that have remained flat. I'm sure you don't understand that so some smart people have put together a nice chart for you.

http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=24338&width=314

See how high the red line is? See how low the blue lines are? That means workers are making more but getting paid less. It's complicated for you because you're a shithead so read this.

If you want a good example as to who's getting paid take a look at the 5% richest group. Another chart.

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2013/08/21/wage-growth-percentile-chart.png

In fact I'd argue that even though Americans are working both more jobs AND more hours they're still getting paid less. Look there's even evidence (something you always lack in your racist posts).

Perhaps this sums it up best:

From 1973 to 2011, worker productivity grew 80 percent, while median hourly compensation, after inflation, grew by just one-eighth that amount, according to the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal research group. And since 2000, productivity has risen 23 percent while real hourly pay has essentially stagnated.

You got massively owned. I really, really think you ought to stop posting now.

 

[JohnnySavage]

To say you're massively stupid is just the tip of the iceberg. U.S. worker productivity is high. It's wages that have remained flat. I'm sure you don't understand that so some smart people have put together a nice chart for you.

http://cdn-media.nationaljournal.com/?controllerName=image&action=get&id=24338&width=314

See how high the red line is? See how low the blue lines are? That means workers are making more but getting paid less. It's complicated for you because you're a shithead so read this.

If you want a good example as to who's getting paid take a look at the 5% richest group. Another chart.

http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2013/08/21/wage-growth-percentile-chart.png

In fact I'd argue that even though Americans are working both more jobs AND more hours they're still getting paid less. Look there's even evidence (something you always lack in your racist posts).

Perhaps this sums it up best:

From 1973 to 2011, worker productivity grew 80 percent, while median hourly compensation, after inflation, grew by just one-eighth that amount, according to the Economic Policy Institute, a liberal research group. And since 2000, productivity has risen 23 percent while real hourly pay has essentially stagnated.

You get massively owned. I really, really think you ought to stop posting now.

That's essentially what he said, dummy.

Companies don't need to give raises or hire more workers because technology helps each worker produce more.

Go back to your La Trousers name, you were a slight bit smarter under that one.

 

[RjThoughts]

Unless union members are making minimum wage, their wages or salaries DO NOT INCREASE. Negotiated wages and salaries do not raise when the minimum wage does. Are you freaking serious? What kind of drugs are you on?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Unless union members are making minimum wage, their wages or salaries DO NOT INCREASE. Negotiated wages and salaries do not raise when the minimum wage does. Are you freaking serious? What kind of drugs are you on?

Let me explain how it works, dear.

I worked for this states Health and Rehabilitation Department from 1986, on. My branch of it handled sundry tasks: Investigations, protective supervision, adoptions, children legal services, etc. Until 2000 or so Investigators got higher pay than any other job because the work was dangerous, critical to legal actions, and inconvenient as hell. When a child or geezer died we autopsied everyone's participation with the victim.

But the social workers demanded the same money cuz it wasn't fair to make less.

So the state raised the pay of adoption workers, and family support workers, et al to what the investigators made.

Following that investigators started transferring to the social worker positions and the M-F, 8-5, no stress positions. Same money. No weekend work. No night oncall. No court. It was great. Then the state couldn't get any investigators. Or people took the job, spent a year training with no cases, and bailed when one of the other jobs opened up.

The state had to raise the pay to keep people.

 

[RjThoughts]

Let me explain how it works, dear.

I worked for this states Health and Rehabilitation Department from 1986, on. My branch of it handled sundry tasks: Investigations, protective supervision, adoptions, children legal services, etc. Until 2000 or so Investigators got higher pay than any other job because the work was dangerous, critical to legal actions, and inconvenient as hell. When a child or geezer died we autopsied everyone's participation with the victim.

But the social workers demanded the same money cuz it wasn't fair to make less.

So the state raised the pay of adoption workers, and family support workers, et al to what the investigators made.

Following that investigators started transferring to the social worker positions and the M-F, 8-5, no stress positions. Same money. No weekend work. No night oncall. No court. It was great. Then the state couldn't get any investigators. Or people took the job, spent a year training with no cases, and bailed when one of the other jobs opened up.

The state had to raise the pay to keep people.

What's that have to do with a raise in the minimum wage and unions? I don't see ANY correlation, just the rants of a conservative anti-union old man.

Best stick to yelling at teenagers to "Keep off my lawn."

 

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[RjThoughts]

Yes they do. I've negotiated many union contracts. In the next negotiation following an increase of the Minimum Wage it is standard AFL-CIO operating procedure to demand their bottom rates be raised in order to maintain the same ratio above the Minimum Wage, which when it happens raises the entire wage scale as the standing wage progression between rates is maintained.

Unions do not want to see their bottom rates lose ground against an increasing Minimum Wage. Unions are all about restricting incoming labor at the bottom end in order to protect their top rated wage rates.

Using your own words, In the next negotiation following an increase of the Minimum Wage . That's a new contract, not the one signed before the minimum wage. If you don't realize what I said, let me make it clear.

If the minimum wage raises during a negotiated contract term, the wages/salaries do not raise along with it.

 

[tactful]

So many part time jobs, so very little time, as the Booming economy rolls onward.

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Yes they do. I've negotiated many union contracts. In the next negotiation following an increase of the Minimum Wage it is standard AFL-CIO operating procedure to demand their bottom rates be raised in order to maintain the same ratio above the Minimum Wage, which when it happens raises the entire wage scale as the standing wage progression between rates is maintained.

Unions do not want to see their bottom rates lose ground against an increasing Minimum Wage. Unions are all about restricting incoming labor at the bottom end in order to protect their top rated wage rates.

Sure. My old union had a variety of pay scales, from production workers to industrial craftsmen. Minimum wage pushed the bottom feeders up, and they pushed the other pay grades up. Like, if the Tampa shipyard paid the same scale as a sugar mill 200 miles away, why not stay in town and poke the old lady occasionally, and make the same money. People follow the money.

 

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[JAMESBJOHNSON]

Nobody in a Union at the bottom of the scale works for the Minimum Wage, but unions love to use the relationship between that bottom rate the MW as a negotiating tool going forward. SOP.

Yes they do. But an apprentice sheet metal worker usta make less than minimum wage when dues and assessments etc were taken out of his pay.

 

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[chillywilly2]

That could be, but unwise in my opinion unless you want to be a boot camp for your competitor. There's nothing like putting a lot of bucks into a training program only to have you left un-absorbed and your competition picking him up for wages only.

If you paid the people enough and treated them like human beings, they wouldn't walk out on you.


If you had your way, everybody would work for fuckall and never be able to buy anything, thus putting you out of bussiness, but hey, as long as its in your pocket and not some low life that works for you, you're happy