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Oct. 30, 2002, 7:30AM

Cornyn, Kirk at odds on flag amendment
By CLAY ROBISON and RACHEL GRAVES
Houston Chronicle
http://www.kivacom.com/US_Senate_Races_2002.htm#Texas

SAN ANTONIO -- Republican senatorial nominee John Cornyn courted the votes of Texas veterans Tuesday, waving his support for a constitutional amendment to ban burning or desecration of the American flag.

Democratic nominee Ron Kirk, campaigning in Dallas and Austin, continued to express opposition to curtailing First Amendment rights, even for the sake of the nation's most venerated symbol.

In Austin, Kirk campaigned with his mother, Willie Mae Kirk, a retired schoolteacher, and other old-time Texas Democrats at his mother's house. Luci Baines Johnson, daughter of the late President Lyndon B. Johnson, compared Kirk to her father, who once held the Senate seat that Kirk and Cornyn are seeking.

At campaign stops in San Antonio, San Angelo, Midland and El Paso, Cornyn also campaigned for better health care and other benefits for retired military personnel. He was accompanied by Leo S. Mackay Jr., deputy secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs, who said Cornyn's election would help President Bush get more of his priorities through Congress.

"I'm going to be an advocate for veterans and a strong supporter of our nation's military," Cornyn said.

At an American Legion hall in San Antonio, Jim Duncan, a Cornyn supporter from Houston, raised the flag-protection issue by sharply criticizing Democratic rival Kirk's opposition to the proposal.


Kirk, a former Dallas mayor, said flag-burning must be protected as a form of free speech.

"If our freedom means anything, it means freedom of expression," he said. "While I find flag-burning abhorrent, I would defend anyone's right to free speech. That is the ultimate test of our commitment to our freedoms."

After Cornyn, the Texas attorney general, first raised the issue earlier this year, Kirk suggested Cornyn was "trying to inject emotionalism into this race."

A number of flag-protection amendments have been offered in Congress since the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1989 that flag-burning was constitutionally protected by free speech rights under the First Amendment. The U.S. House has passed such amendments four times, but they have been defeated in the Senate.

Cornyn, in his remarks to the San Antonio veterans, said his mother, who was present, "teared up" whenever she saw the American flag because it reminded her of his late father, a World War II veteran and career Air Force officer.

He told reporters that a lot of former service people were "offended" by Kirk's earlier comment.

"I disagree with Mr. Kirk's position," he added. "It is emotional, but it's not irrelevant and it's not something that should be lightly dismissed."

Cornyn repeatedly has criticized Senate Democrats for opposing some of President Bush's conservative judicial nominees. And flag-protection is not the only First Amendment issue over which Cornyn has differed with federal courts.

Two years ago, in his role as attorney general, Cornyn supported an unsuccessful effort by the Santa Fe Independent School District in Galveston County to continue student-led prayers at football games.

The U.S. Supreme Court held in July 2000 that student-led prayers were barred by the constitutional separation of church and state.


"I do feel like the court is headed down an irreconciliable path when it comes to the freedom that I think individuals should have to talk about their faith in a public place on a voluntary basis," he said Tuesday.

He said teachers shouldn't be allowed to lead prayers in schools.

Mackay, the deputy secretary of veterans affairs, criticized Kirk, who is black, for injecting race into the debate over Iraq when, several weeks ago, the Democratic nominee said minorities would do a disproportionate share of the fighting.

Mackay, who also is black and a former Navy pilot, said he remembered service people of all races working on an aircraft carrier flight deck.

"They were overwhelmingly patriotic, and they were disproportionately brave and hard-working," he said.

Kirk said both Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell have commented on the disproportionate share of minorities and the working class in the military.

"John Cornyn has still yet to lay out in an intelligent way what he believes our philosophy should be when we go to war. And he has yet to express any concern over anybody who fights our war of any ethnicity or any race," Kirk said.


At the home of Kirk's mother in Austin, Luci Baines Johnson read a letter of support for Kirk from her mother, Lady Bird Johnson, who suffered a stroke in May. Lady Bird Johnson endorsed Kirk earlier this month at a private fund-raiser at Luci Johnson's home.

"I cannot tell you what it would mean to go to the floor of the United States Senate ... and sit in the chair that was once occupied by Lyndon Baines Johnson," Kirk said.
 
Repubs against free speech and property rights = old news

Dems against free speech and property rights = old news
 
Republican politicians from Texas (GWB is from texas) are against rights for gays, they want to control women's bodies, they want school prayer, they fully support the Patriot Act, and they want to arrest people for doing things with their own property. These "people" are trying to put these kind of justices on the supreme court. That is the logic behind GWB's campaign blitz and the Libertarians are canonising REPUBs....what hypocrites.
 
another rep from TN stole my hommer simpson pic! damn right wingers!
 
I would like to know if anyone on Lit...that is from Texas is voting straight GOP.
 
Spinaroonie said:
Kirk fucking rules.


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Over generalization...

So one idiot comes out for a flag burning amendment, so what? It still takes a majority to do that, which I personally oppose. I'm more concerned with the socialist tendencies of the two, Kirk looks good, but what is his total vision? Or does this mean anyone running for office, exercising their personal opinion on a subject (their 1st amendment), is automatically hung from the nearest tree? Careful, your red armband is showing. :D
 
Re: Over generalization...

Lost Cause said:
So one idiot comes out for a flag burning amendment, so what?
And the other idiot trots out the race issue. They are both typical Pols. :rolleyes:
 
Republicans in Texas are awfully consistent, GWB is right in line with Cornyn. Prayer in school, few if any gay rights, anti-abortion, flag burning amendment (it's funny so-called constructivists propose it). That guy selects nominations for the supreme court. When those selections come up, I expect yelling from everywhere. That is the main reason I'm on edge. Personally I'm confident GWB is going to fuck up over the long haul but once those religious right judges are on...
 
Bob_Bytchin said:
I just wanted to find someone whose votes I could cancel out.


hahaha..... sorry Bob, but you can vote anyway you want to vote, and your vote doesn't "cancel" my vote.

I have voted a straight Republican ticket for 20 years. I just can't find a Democrat that I want to vote for. I've looked again this time, but there aren't any Dems good enough, or Republicans bad enough for me to change my vote.

(Kirk was a terrible mayor, why would he be a good Senator.)

Bob, I'll bet you a margarita that, when it comes to the results in Texas, I'll be smiling tomorrow night, and you'll be dissappointed, again. I expect the same good news for Republicans on a national level as well, I'm just not confident enough to bet on it. I also suspect that some of the races will end up in court. Dems have learned that what they can't win at the ballot box, they can try to win in the court room.

I'm going to bed now, so I'll read this in the morning.

Mishka, I promise I'm not THAT predictable in everything I do or think. ;)
 
Texan said:

(Kirk was a terrible mayor, why would he be a good Senator.)

what

Texan said:

I also suspect that some of the races will end up in court. Dems have learned that what they can't win at the ballot box, they can try to win in the court room.

But you forgot about
 
70/30 said:
Oct. 30, 2002, 7:30AM

Cornyn, Kirk at odds on flag amendment
By CLAY ROBISON and RACHEL GRAVES
Houston Chronicle
http://www.kivacom.com/US_Senate_Races_2002.htm#Texas

SAN ANTONIO -- Republican senatorial nominee John Cornyn courted the votes of Texas veterans Tuesday, waving his support for a constitutional amendment to ban burning or desecration of the American flag.

Democratic nominee Ron Kirk, campaigning in Dallas and Austin, continued to express opposition to curtailing First Amendment rights, even for the sake of the nation's most venerated symbol.

In Austin, Kirk campaigned with his mother, Willie Mae Kirk, a retired schoolteacher, and other old-time Texas Democrats at his mother's house. Luci Baines Johnson, daughter of the late President Lyndon B. Johnson, compared Kirk to her father, who once held the Senate seat that Kirk and Cornyn are seeking.

At campaign stops in San Antonio, San Angelo, Midland and El Paso, Cornyn also campaigned for better health care and other benefits for retired military personnel. He was accompanied by Leo S. Mackay Jr., deputy secretary of the Department of Veterans Affairs, who said Cornyn's election would help President Bush get more of his priorities through Congress.

"I'm going to be an advocate for veterans and a strong supporter of our nation's military," Cornyn said.

At an American Legion hall in San Antonio, Jim Duncan, a Cornyn supporter from Houston, raised the flag-protection issue by sharply criticizing Democratic rival Kirk's opposition to the proposal.


Kirk, a former Dallas mayor, said flag-burning must be protected as a form of free speech.

"If our freedom means anything, it means freedom of expression," he said. "While I find flag-burning abhorrent, I would defend anyone's right to free speech. That is the ultimate test of our commitment to our freedoms."

After Cornyn, the Texas attorney general, first raised the issue earlier this year, Kirk suggested Cornyn was "trying to inject emotionalism into this race."

A number of flag-protection amendments have been offered in Congress since the U.S. Supreme Court ruled in 1989 that flag-burning was constitutionally protected by free speech rights under the First Amendment. The U.S. House has passed such amendments four times, but they have been defeated in the Senate.

Cornyn, in his remarks to the San Antonio veterans, said his mother, who was present, "teared up" whenever she saw the American flag because it reminded her of his late father, a World War II veteran and career Air Force officer.

He told reporters that a lot of former service people were "offended" by Kirk's earlier comment.

"I disagree with Mr. Kirk's position," he added. "It is emotional, but it's not irrelevant and it's not something that should be lightly dismissed."

Cornyn repeatedly has criticized Senate Democrats for opposing some of President Bush's conservative judicial nominees. And flag-protection is not the only First Amendment issue over which Cornyn has differed with federal courts.

Two years ago, in his role as attorney general, Cornyn supported an unsuccessful effort by the Santa Fe Independent School District in Galveston County to continue student-led prayers at football games.

The U.S. Supreme Court held in July 2000 that student-led prayers were barred by the constitutional separation of church and state.


"I do feel like the court is headed down an irreconciliable path when it comes to the freedom that I think individuals should have to talk about their faith in a public place on a voluntary basis," he said Tuesday.

He said teachers shouldn't be allowed to lead prayers in schools.

Mackay, the deputy secretary of veterans affairs, criticized Kirk, who is black, for injecting race into the debate over Iraq when, several weeks ago, the Democratic nominee said minorities would do a disproportionate share of the fighting.

Mackay, who also is black and a former Navy pilot, said he remembered service people of all races working on an aircraft carrier flight deck.

"They were overwhelmingly patriotic, and they were disproportionately brave and hard-working," he said.

Kirk said both Bush and Secretary of State Colin Powell have commented on the disproportionate share of minorities and the working class in the military.

"John Cornyn has still yet to lay out in an intelligent way what he believes our philosophy should be when we go to war. And he has yet to express any concern over anybody who fights our war of any ethnicity or any race," Kirk said.


At the home of Kirk's mother in Austin, Luci Baines Johnson read a letter of support for Kirk from her mother, Lady Bird Johnson, who suffered a stroke in May. Lady Bird Johnson endorsed Kirk earlier this month at a private fund-raiser at Luci Johnson's home.

"I cannot tell you what it would mean to go to the floor of the United States Senate ... and sit in the chair that was once occupied by Lyndon Baines Johnson," Kirk said.


Don't you just love Americans???

The economy is shot to pieces by executive greed and mismanagement,
the country is about to start the next Imperialist war to maintain its nineteenth century dependence on environmentally polluting oil based industries . . .
and the professional politicians are taking time out to legilslate against flag burning!!!!

Geez . . . maybe someone should tell them that the real issues in the US are the Farm Act subsidies to agricorporates, tax breaks for the rich and real education reform . . .

About the same issues as when LBJ took the US into Vietnam to bolster profits for the NE military-industrial complex . . . and killed off a lot of good American kids . . .

. . . you know, the more things change, the more they stay the same . . . :)
 
Like Tipper Gore?

There is no such thing as right to property. Democrats killed that long ago with property tax, a permanent Governmental Lein on all tangible property.
 
Our economy is not shot to pieces.

That would be Japan.

or Russia...
 
Bob_Bytchin said:
I would like to know if anyone on Lit...that is from Texas is voting straight GOP.

Hellllllooooooooo...*waives to Bob* I know my vote counts today! (But I still *hearts* ya anyway, Bob...)



Now, if there was a Margarita Party, I'd be all over it...
 
someplace said:
Hellllllooooooooo...*waives to Bob* I know my vote counts today! (But I still *hearts* ya anyway, Bob...)



Now, if there was a Margarita Party, I'd be all over it...

I'm glad to see everyone is getting out to vote :)

I just hope Dr Seuss becomes governor.

Well, lets start a Margarita Party...bring the mix and I'll supply the Tequila.
 
Bob_Bytchin said:
I'm glad to see everyone is getting out to vote :)
I just hope Dr Seuss becomes governor.

ummmmm, I hate to say this, but...didn't he die ?


Well, lets start a Margarita Party...bring the mix and I'll supply the Tequila.

Sounds like a plan. Let's make it so!
 
Shrub Clearing . . .

SINthysist said:
Like Tipper Gore?

There is no such thing as right to property. Democrats killed that long ago with property tax, a permanent Governmental Lein on all tangible property.

Washington, Monday. At a press conference today, Tipper Gore announced that she's going back on the campaign trail with her husband, former Vice President Al Gore.


"To prepare myself,: she said, "I have shaved off all my pubic hair. From now until the election, I shall sit on stage with Al, and may occasionally flash my legs apart without wearing any panties. This will send a strong message to America."

"Just what is that message, Mrs Gore?" gasped astonished reporters at this rather startling announcement.

Tipper smiled sweetly, "Read my lips . . . no more Bush!!"
:D :D :D
 
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