Keeping with the Times

[TadOverdon]

Well, she definitely had it in sets released by one of the ATK sites in June of 2015.

There is a set with Flash Brown from October of that year in which she has neither tattoo. So it was probably among her first hard-core work. Publication date doesn't tell you much about which sets were shot at what time by different photographers. But the ink has been a "feature" since her first year in the B/G business.

 

[Payne_Hall]

Tattoos are also much more easily-and affordably removed these days than in the past.

I don't judge anyone for what they do to their body, its theirs, not mine. The only thing I find myself wondering what they're thinking and long term is the people who put those huge gages in their ears so that their earlobes are just dangling with huge holes in them when they take them out....not sure how that will be long term, but I default back to its them, not me.

How will this look when I'm 80? Don't know, and don't care.

Um, even if you did care, it’s obviously going to still look baller.

I think my favorite of mine is a bastardized blend of two of the pentacles from the Lesser Key of Solomon (the grand key and one of the Mars plates).

There’s a twisted part of it that has the elvish symbol of nine from Lord of the Rings haha. The opportunity was there.

 

[NotWise]

Well, she definitely had it in sets released by one of the ATK sites in June of 2015.

There is a set with Flash Brown from October of that year in which she has neither tattoo. So it was probably among her first hard-core work. Publication date doesn't tell you much about which sets were shot at what time by different photographers. But the ink has been a "feature" since her first year in the B/G business.

The reason I brought Elsa Jean into the whole thing in the first place was to make a point about how hard the photographer worked to hide her tattoos. You don't hide a desirable feature.

More generally, my disagreement with CyranoJ was because of the difference in the niche's we watch. He (and I think most people) think mostly of videos. I think mostly of high quality stills. There's only a little overlap between the models in those groups, and only a little overlap between the studios that produce them.

 

[TadOverdon]

How will this look when I'm 80? Don't know, and don't care.

Pretty fucking cool.

 

[CyranoJ]

The reason I brought Elsa Jean into the whole thing in the first place was to make a point about how hard the photographer worked to hide her tattoos. You don't hide a desirable feature.

I think the point about niches being responsible for different perspectives is very plausible (I'm not sure that video vs. stills is exactly the niche difference but that's a quibble).

In that case, though, all that photographers hiding certain features -- if in fact that's what is going on, lots of people have access to photoshop software -- in the content you happen to favor means is that they're adapting content for the niche applicable to you. That doesn't say much about the general "desirability" of a feature. One niche or another is not the market.

If tattoos were generally undesirable, your larger narrative of Elsa Jean's supposed career trajectory would make sense to people outside your market niche and would be easy to spot in the wider culture. Getting more tattoos really would have tanked her marketability in ways that I, as someone not in your specific niche, would also be able to verify. I would be able to independently confirm that there was some significant span beyond a largely-hypothetical month or two in her adult career where she was daddy's little ink-free girl who subsequently ruined herself and had to take it up the arse just to pay the bills.

And more broadly: anti-tattoo culture in other industries would be gaining ground instead of losing it. So, for example, in the fashion world, there never would have been an Eve Salvail and nobody would ever have heard of names like Ruby Rose or Slick Woods on account of all the "undesirable" "flaws" of their ink.

Like what you like, of course, but near as I can tell, all of that simply isn't so. That's the main point I'm making. I called the "blank canvas" argument a "myth" not to be a dick but because in my lifetime I've only ever seen this trend move in one direction (albeit at different rates depending on the context). And I don't see how it's likely to reverse, leastways not within the next generation or two.

Been a useful discussion, though. I now know a lot more about Elsa Jean than I previously did and she seems pretty rad, so I can certainly thank you for that.

 

[yowser]

I am aware of the practice of carbon dating.

Now it turns out there is tattoo dating.

 

[CyranoJ]

I am aware of the practice of carbon dating.

Now it turns out there is tattoo dating.

Funny old world, innit?

 

[MillieDynamite]

I am aware of the practice of carbon dating.

Now it turns out there is tattoo dating.

Tattoos can be statements, impulse purchases, almost almost a lifestyle, or worn for other reasons. I have only two and would love to have them removed, but I leave them as reminder my life has changed. They are reminders of the bad ole days and how bad, bad was.

I'm slowly updating my bios at the sites where I have bios and removing all the references to my pre adoptive years, and my rebel with out clue days after I had a good home.

Just my view.

 

[CyranoJ]

There's a comedian who does some really funny routines about tattoo regrets. The dynamic I'm describing does go only so far, of course, and for the record Shayne Smith is hilarious.

 

[MillieDynamite]

In the sitcom MOM, Allyson Janney's character becomes obsessed with tat's after her and her husband get small tat's in private places. She decides she wants her face put on her back. When she is there, a woman about 70years old is getting a touch up on her lower back. Above the touch up is her face, wrinkled, aged, and matching her face.

Janney asked why she hadn't gotten the tattoo put on like she looked when she in her twenties. The woman said, "I got it in my twenties, the older I get the older it gets."

Needless to day, Janney decided one tat was enough.

 

[CyranoJ]

In the sitcom MOM, Allyson Janney's character becomes obsessed with tat's after her and her husband get small tat's in private places. She decides she wants her face put on her back. When she is there, a woman about 70years old is getting a touch up on her lower back. Above the touch up is her face, wrinkled, aged, and matching her face.

Janney asked why she hadn't gotten the tattoo put on like she looked when she in her twenties. The woman said, "I got it in my twenties, the older I get the older it gets."

Can't lie: that woman sounds amazing.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Can't lie: that woman sounds amazing.

the seventy year old or Janney? Allyson Janney was the press secretary in the early season of West Wing. Six Foot tall white woman, with a long face, not particularly sexy, but can play sexy when she wants.

 

[TadOverdon]

Oh, Allyson Janney is sexy as hell and getting sexier as she ages.

 

[CyranoJ]

the seventy year old or Janney?

The 70-year-old. Imagine the commitment of not just tattooing your face on your back, but aging it along with you. That's amazeballs. An uncommonly healthy attitude to both the aging and the art form.

 

[MillieDynamite]

The 70-year-old. Imagine the commitment of not just tattooing your face on your back, but aging it along with you. That's amazeballs. An uncommonly healthy attitude to both the aging and the art form.

No, her skin aged on her back, making the face on her back grow old as well, so the tat matched the real face and grew old for the same reason her real face did. She wasn't having it aged, it just did so because of crape and other issues that happen when you grow old.

 

[CyranoJ]

No, her skin aged on her back, making the face on her back grow old as well, so the tat matched the real face and grew old for the same reason her real face did. She wasn't having it aged, it just did so because of crape and other issues that happen when you grow old.

Oh, I see. I take it the show presented this as a tragic thing, but in that case, proud of her for just keeping it.

 

[MillieDynamite]

It convinced Allyson she didn't want it done. As Mom is a Sitcom, they presented the aged tattoo as something to laugh at.

 

[CyranoJ]

It convinced Allyson she didn't want it done. As Mom is a Sitcom, they presented the aged tattoo as something to laugh at.

Definitely tracks.

 

[MillieDynamite]

Oh, Allyson Janney is sexy as hell and getting sexier as she ages.

For my taste she is a bit too straight!

Straight or not, Monica Bellucci trips my trigger. I'd add Marisa Ramirez, Melonie Diaz, Leslie Grossman to my list. I have no idea if they are lesbian, but several have played gay so maybe I'd have a shot. If, that is, I wasn't in a committed relationship with Jo.

 

[LAHomedog]

Redoing this post. I messed up the quote thing. Apologies.

 

[Handley_Page]

There's a comedian who does some really funny routines about tattoo regrets. The dynamic I'm describing does go only so far, of course, and for the record Shayne Smith is hilarious.

I ain't keen on his style; he reminds me of the "autopsy gremlin" in NCIS (Dr. Palmer).

 

[Bramblethorn]

It convinced Allyson she didn't want it done. As Mom is a Sitcom, they presented the aged tattoo as something to laugh at.

Kinda shows the problem with those "your tattoo will look stretchy and wrinkly when you're old" takes, though: no shit, just like everything else will. By the time one hits forty or so it's probably a good idea to have a life plan that doesn't depend on staying youthful and unblemished forever.

Straight or not, Monica Bellucci trips my trigger. I'd add Marisa Ramirez, Melonie Diaz, Leslie Grossman to my list. I have no idea if they are lesbian, but several have played gay so maybe I'd have a shot. If, that is, I wasn't in a committed relationship with Jo.

Monica Bellucci is hot, but I find it tough to go past Isabella Rossellini: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7fAw6N5p-U

 

[CyranoJ]

Bellucci and Rossellini are both queens. Respect.

(I actually knew some people who got to work with Rossellini on Guy Maddin's The Saddest Music in the World. By all reports, a lovely person.)

 

[CyranoJ]

I ain't keen on his style; he reminds me of the "autopsy gremlin" in NCIS (Dr. Palmer).

That's cool. I'm intrigued, though. How does he remind you of Palmer? In terms of physical appearance, or mannerisms?

No agenda here, I'm just curious. I don't really watch NCIS so I've only ever seen isolated clips of Jimmy Palmer's most dramatic moments, esp. in the latter seasons, but the comparison wouldn't have occurred to me based on those snippets, at least.

 

[SimonDoom]

Straight or not, Monica Bellucci trips my trigger. .

Mine too. She was over 50 in the last Bond movie and OMG.

That's another element of keeping up with the times, or maybe not needing to: There's a rapidly growing element of porn and erotica involving older people. That market is exploding. Authors of erotica don't necessarily need to cater to the tastes and habits of 20-somethings.

Certainly not in a world where Monica Belluci still exists.