Justices to Weigh Late-Term Abortion Ban

medjay said:
If they could get the baby all the way out then there would be no need for the abortion. I'm sure everyone would prefer a premmie to a corpse.


baby are great in pasta sauces
 
Tinkersquash said:
Wow. You really have no clue what you're talking about, do you?

If you have any in-depth knowledge about what goes on in the thought process and congition of an unborn fetus then let me know. Because as far as I know, no one knows for sure, which is why this is an issue in the first place.
 
medjay said:
If you have any in-depth knowledge about what goes on in the thought process and congition of an unborn fetus then let me know.

She just has a really good memory.
 
Plasmaball said:
Then we could cut the head off and mount them on the walls like when people go hunting!
NARAL are you listening? Now there are trophies for your offices!
 
garbage can said:
Comments?

How about we worry with all of the children that are here now. The one's suffering, homeless, abused, abandoned and sitting waiting and waiting for someone, anyone to give a damn before we worry with those that are not even born yet.

I am opposed to any ban on abortion. The abortion argument has never been about saving the lives of unborn children (although that is how the argument goes so that it plays on peoples emotions) it is about control.
 
BlueEyesInLevis said:
Sorry thats your pleasure...not mine.


but but you are the one with the bleeding heart. I just figured you know you would want your own bleeding heart and such.
 
capricious_chic said:
How about we worry with all of the children that are here now. The one's suffering, homeless, abused, abandoned and sitting waiting and waiting for someone, anyone to give a damn before we worry with those that are not even born yet.

I am opposed to any ban on abortion. The abortion argument has never been about saving the lives of unborn children (although that is how the argument goes so that it plays on peoples emotions) it is about control.


Control is a powerful business
 
capricious_chic said:
How about we worry with all of the children that are here now. The one's suffering, homeless, abused, abandoned and sitting waiting and waiting for someone, anyone to give a damn before we worry with those that are not even born yet.

Seriously, unless they're opening their doors or their pocketbooks to help support the many unwanted children in this world, anti-abortion folks need to just shut up, lest they be labeled hypocrites.
 
BlueEyesInLevis said:
It really baffles me why ANYONE (except Krastner and Woody maybe) could support this hideous procedure.

Why is it necessary to allow this barbarism in order to keep other (earlier) abortion methods legal?
In talks with woody it was my understanding he was against it.
 
What now??

We don't have any higher priorities than this to take care of??


No wonder we have ADD.........

Where's that Phelps guy?? :rolleyes:
 
Plasmaball said:
but but you are the one with the bleeding heart. I just figured you know you would want your own bleeding heart and such.
Im the one AGAINST butchery remember.

Since you are for stabbing that baby in the back of the head why dont you go ahead and then cut it off, then you can mount it on your wall just like you suggested!
 
BlueEyesInLevis said:
Im the one AGAINST butchery remember.

Since you are for stabbing that baby in the back of the head why dont you go ahead and then cut it off, then you can mount it on your wall just like you suggested!


i am not into stabbing..Maybe snapping of the back or neck...

Blue i am just playing with you. You really are stupid if you think i was serious
 
bill-pix-trade said:
In talks with woody it was my understanding he was against it.
If he is, then I apologize. But it doesnt change the fact that he's an anti-semetic scumbag. (my apologies to normal scumbags everywhere)
 
Plasmaball said:
i am not into stabbing..Maybe snapping of the back or neck...

Blue i am just playing with you. You really are stupid if you think i was serious
I knew you were kidding, as I was...up to a point.

It IS kinda gruesome isnt it.
 
Lost Cause said:
We don't have any higher priorities than this to take care of??


No wonder we have ADD.........

Where's that Phelps guy?? :rolleyes:
Thats a different thread. His "bag" is harrassing homosexuals (and everyone else who wouldnt have them burnt at the steak evidently.)
 
BlueEyesInLevis said:
I knew you were kidding, as I was...up to a point.

It IS kinda gruesome isnt it.


riight..

i personally don't care. it doesn't bother me
 
Weevil said:
Can you back that up in any way, shape or form or should we just take your word for it?
A google search, will provide you with information on the number of unnecessary 3rd trimester abortions.

As mentioned before, the number of woman whose life is in danger prior to childbirth in infinitesimaly small....virtually zero.

The woman in the U.S. who die *during* childbirth, is 1 in 3500, this is mostly due to hemorrhaging.......
 
garbage can said:
A google search, will provide you with information on the number of unnecessary 3rd trimester abortions.

As mentioned before, the number of woman whose life is in danger prior to childbirth in infinitesimaly small....virtually zero.

The woman in the U.S. who die *during* childbirth, is 1 in 3500, this is mostly due to hemorrhaging.......


Unnecessary according to whom? Who gets to make that decision? If it is anyone besides the woman or the doctor I find it hard to label it unnecessary.

How about the unnecessary deaths of children due to child abuse and neglect? How does that compare?
 
Blue Eyes is correct in stating that there is a carve-out for physical endangerment of the mother.


SEC. 3. PROHIBITION ON PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS.

The Congress finds and declares the following:

(a) IN GENERAL. -- Title 18 United States Code, is amended by inserting after chapter 73 the following:

CHAPTER 74 -- PARTIAL-BIRTH ABORTIONS
"Sec.
"1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited


§1531. Partial-birth abortions prohibited

(a) Any physician who, in or affecting interstate or foreign commerce, knowingly performs a partial-birth abortion and thereby kills a human fetus shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both. This subsection does not apply to a partial-birth abortion that is necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself. This subsection takes effect 1 day after the date of enactment of this chapter.

(b) As used in this section --

(1) the term 'partial-birth abortion' means an abortion in which --

(A) the person performing the abortion deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother for the purpose of performing an overt act that theperson knows will kill the partially delivered living fetus; and

(B) performs the overt act, other than completion of delivery, that kills the partially delivered living fetus; and

(2) the term 'physician' means a doctor of medicine or osteopathy legally authorized to practice medicine and surgery by the State in which the doctor performs such activity, or any other individual legally authorized by the State to perform abortions: Provided, however, That any individual who is not a physician or not otherwise legally authorized by the State to perform abortions, but who nevertheless directly performs a partial-birth abortion, shall be subject to the provisions of this section.

(c)(1) The father, if married to the mother at the time she receives a partial-birth abortion procedure, and if the mother has not attained the age of 18 years at the time of the abortion, the maternal grandparents of the fetus, may in a civil action obtain appropriate relief, unless the pregnancy resulted from the plaintiff's criminal conduct or the plaintiff consented to the abortion.

(2) Such relief shall include

(A) money damages for all injuries, psychological and physical, occasioned by the violation of this section; and

(B) statutory damages equal to three times the cost of the partial-birth abortion.

(d)(1) A defendant accused of an offense under this section may seek a hearing before the State Medical Board on whether the physician's conduct was necessary to save the life of the mother whose life was endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.

(2) The findings on that issue are admissible on that issue at the trial of the defendant. Upon a motion of the defendant, the court shall delay the beginning of the trial for not more than 30 days to permit such a hearing to take place.

(e) A woman upon whom a partial-birth abortion is performed may not be prosecuted under this section, for a conspiracy to violate this section, or for an offense under section 2, 3, or 4 of this title based on a violation of this section.".

(b) CLERICAL AMENDMENT. -- ÑThe table of chapters for part I of title 18, United States Code, is amended by inserting after the item relating to chapter 73 the following new item:

"74. Partial-birth abortions ........................................................... 1531".
SEC. 4. SENSE OF THE SENATE CONCERNING ROE V. WADE.

(a) FINDINGS. --The Senate finds that --

(1) abortion has been a legal and constitutionally protected medical procedure throughout the United States since the Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade (410 U.S. 113 (1973)); and

(2) the 1973 Supreme Court decision in Roe v. Wade established constitutionally based limits on the power of States to restrict the right of a woman to choose to terminate a pregnancy.

(b) SENSE OF THE SENATE. --It is the sense of theSenate that --

(1) the decision of the Supreme Court in Roe v. Wade (410 U.S. 113 (1973)) was appropriate and secures an important constitutional right; and

(2) such decision should not be overturned.

Passed the Senate March 13, 2003.

Attest:

Secretary


Source: United States Congress
 
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