Just Plain Depressing...

[PayDay]

Oh sorry, my bad! Should've added loser rapist shitbag too.

Really sorry.

Seems like your type is the reason she quit.

 

[PayDay]

What a fuckin' moron.

I bet you're one of those people who just stand by a highway and say-

"Oh, It's a f**king highway, of course. Accidents will happen."

Being on a Erotica [NOT PORN] website forum doesn't give anyone the right to send rape threats.

I'll know where to point whem people ask me about pathetic misogynists without even shit for brains.

No, being on a "porn" site gives Mr. PayDay the right to stalk, creep and rape women.

Hallelujah to Rapists!


Fuckin' a-hole...

You have no idea what your talking about.
Have you ever tried to stop pedophiles by holding the reporting system accountable?
Have you ever undergone a rape kit?

Well I have. I also have proof that I have.

Maybe I actually have a valid point.

 

[Sammael Bard]

...

This happens to guys on this site too.

This. Is. A. Site. Full. Of. Creepers.

Always has been. Did she think she was going to join and get roses and marriage proposals?
Look what happened to me a few posts up when I simply posted an opinion.

...and this ain't even the GB.

She expected nothing. She wasn't here for marriage proposals or roses.

Really? You arrive on Lit with an agenda and bucket list?

As for men being stalked...how many would it be as compared to the number of ladies?

Look at the ad lines that pop up on the Stories page.

LOOK AT THE COMMENTS THAT SHOW UP ON EVERY LW STORY.

...and this site is tame compared to the crap on Politico and Yahoo and NYTs comments.

I'm not saying she incited anything, I'm saying that on a site BASED on the act of penetration, what did she expect?

She didn't go to LW, so don't even drag that snake pit into this conversation.

Your view:

It is normal for guys to accost women. So women should hide under the mattress and sit on their hands.

My view:

It's abnormal for anyone to accost the other. No act of this sorts should be tolerated by anyone.

 

[allamagione]

Yes, not every woman here is begging to be cyber sexed like you are, some are just here for reading and fun, hard to believe for some people, I know.

Classy! Show off your feminist flair by slut-shaming women who express an opposing viewpoint!

On one hand, it sucks that it's gotten so bad she feels the need to delete her profile altogether. On the other hand, victim culture has gotten way out of hand. I'm not sure which is more depressing.

 

[DeYaKen]

I don't know if my 2 cents is worth it or not, but an anonymous feedback is damn near untracable, I think.

And even if she contacts the police regarding this, they won't have any serious charge to level against that person because he hasn't explicitly stated anything like 'rape', although all of us can understand his intentions.

Also, I don't think he'll be charged with anything serious, given his comment. That will later result into greater danger for the woman in question because now he'd know who she is.

Not so.Not anymore. Hosting companies like the one that hosts lit and it's bulletin boards are obliged by law to hold details of IP and MAC addresses of all posters. This means that the authorities can trace a post or message back to the individual computer that it came from.

We have even had people convicted of harrassment (by cyber stalking) when he used an internet cafe to do it.
Whether you can motivate them to do it is another thing. My point is the more it is reported the more chance of them taking it seriously.

 

[Devilius]

Seems like your type is the reason she quit.

My types spit it out in the open, and not behind the back with emails and PM. What I post here is for everyone to see.

You have no idea what your talking about.
Have you ever tried to stop pedophiles by holding the reporting system accountable?
Have you ever undergone a rape kit?

Well I have. I also have proof that I have.

Maybe I actually have a valid point.

You really don't see the point, don't you?

You: What did she expect?

As the OP pointed out, PM were off and she had given out no contact info.

Creeps find out that her feedback is open, so they send her 'feedbacks'.

Another Creep guesses out where she lives, and gives her a rape threat.

You: What did she expect?

Everything but not this. You take these things for granted and sideline this as an excuse to do it more.

Really? That's how you sound to me.

 

[PayDay]

She expected nothing. She wasn't here for marriage proposals or roses.

Really? You arrive on Lit with an agenda and bucket list?

As for men being stalked...how many would it be as compared to the number of ladies?



She didn't go to LW, so don't even drag that snake pit into this conversation.

Your view:

It is normal for guys to accost women. So women should hide under the mattress and sit on their hands.

My view:

It's abnormal for anyone to accost the other. No act of this sorts should be tolerated by anyone.

My Actual View:
She joined a creepy porn site on the Internet then left because it was too creepy.

 

[sr71plt]

All "shoulda" aside, this is a porn site and porn sites have a certain clientele and rhythm to them. Leaving one you voluntarily have joined that gets too disgusting to you is an adult decision, as was signing into the site to begin with; expecting the nature of porn sites to change to adjust to you isn't.

Thinking that the court system is all that interested in tracking down someone accosting you nastily on a porn Internet site that you chose to participate in is more than a bit pie in the sky.

No, that doesn't mean it's all good. But let's be realistic here.

 

[Sammael Bard]

You know what?

It's too late to be discussing this matter.

Right. I shouldn't expect an erotica website to change. But this place isn't full of creeps, but the result of a few selected shitpiles in a few selected shitholes.

Right. I shouldn't expect roses and butterflies here. But for someone new here, that too a woman, rape threats with claims to know where you live is a bit too much.

THAT is what scared her off. She has been accosted before, but never in such a personal manner.

She has walked away. The end.

If she's coming back, if ever, it's going to be anon. to everyone.

 

[SmileyGirl]

Noone should have to be subjected to a threat of rape regardless if you signed up to an erotic website. Would he have walked up to her in the street and verbalised that? No I think not. So what gives a person the right to send it in word form? Yes there are creepers on Lit but there are alot of decent people too. Noone should have to put up with that type of behaviour it's plain wrong and to try and excuse it because this is an erotica site is plain wrong and unfair too.

 

[sr71plt]

I didn't really want to get into this, but there are no "rights" attached to volunarily signing up for an Internet site. If you voluntarily sign up for one and get abused on it, the choices and responsibilities from that point are yours within the bounds of what the site allows you. And the bounds this site allows all posters is much broader even than the broad ones they post (espouses supporting free speech; indicates it will do something about harrassment, but doesn't much--but I doubt it's often asked to do anything about specific harrassment).

You voluntarily signed up for the site and didn't accrue any "rights" when you did so. And this is a porn site. You shouldn't have expected Sesame Street when you signed up for it. The obvious deal at Literotica--shown every day by what it tolerates--is that it's an adult site that says up front that you are presumed to be an adult when you sign up--ergo will take responsibility for yourself and not expect babysitting services.

 

[Serafina1210]

I can't speak for others, but I haven't been talking about rights we have as members of this site, but rather rights we have everywhere.

It's not all right to threaten a woman with rape anywhere on the internet, or on any real-world street. No matter how bad the neighborhood, everyone has a right to walk there safely.

That's one thing. The other thing is that, yeah, many of us have had some rough handling here. I know I have. But what the person in question experienced was way in excess of what I've had to put up with, or (I hope) any but a handful people who use this site. It's been said before, but it bears repeating: rape threats are not business as usual.

 

[Swilly]

I tend to think one has a right to expect they won't be harassed or threatened no matter where they are. Knowing assholes exist doesn't give them the right to harass you.

I recently worked out at a branch of my health club in Chelsea here in Manhattan. The area has a significant number of gay residents, and they were widely represented at the gym while I was there. Me knowing that didn't give them a right to harass me or try to fuck me up the ass when I bent over to dry my legs after showering. I have a right to that expectation.

While I understand the point payday is trying to make, it comes a bit too close to excusing such behavior.

 

[sr71plt]

I can't speak for others, but I haven't been talking about rights we have as members of this site, but rather rights we have everywhere.

*Sigh* You're asserting "rights" a fake name voluntarily posting on the Internet being engaged by other fake names simply does not have. You need to get over your sense of entitlements that don't exist in the situation that you voluntarily entered. A "right" is a legal term. You are misusing it and thus assuming a position you don't have.

What I think we don't have in the newer generations today is the sense of adults growing up to taking resposibility for themselves in situations they chose to enter. They want their environment to be tailored to them personally and for "someone else" to do that for them.

The reality on Literotica is that the subculture of posters hitting directly on folks (and, yes, I get hit on too) is fostered by the material that Literotica permits to be posted to the site. You want to tone down the riff raff, go after the riff raff story categories posting here (unfortunately, your view of what is riff raff would run up against the views of some others). That's the reality. If you can't take the site as it is, go find another one. You are here voluntarily.

(And yes, yes, I go after the site too--but for what it claims it does/has that it doesn't and won't either fix or stop claiming it does/has--and won't even acknowledge doesn't function as advertised.)

 

[sr71plt]

Incidentally, do a review of the forum categories here and what sort of discussions are going on in them. The forum clientele seems largely independent of the story file clientele here, and it should give you an eye-popping perspective on the type of poster welcomed here. Which . . . leads to wondering what forums the departing member has been posting to at Literotica.

Not saying the poster did it, but the argument that you don't deserve to be harrassed no matter what you yourself have posted or how you have exhibited yourself when you post has a nice PC ring to it these days, but it just isn't common sense (and folds back onto this need for everyone to babysit you on an adult site).

 

[LadyVer]

You're certainly "entitled" to your opinions, Pilot. I'm sure there are those on Lit who appreciate your babysitting talk, as well as your in the old days things used to be so much better talk.

 

[patientlee]

My first gmail account is how my mother found out I write smut. We agreed to never speak of it again.

 

[sr71plt]

I'm sure there will be those who realize there's more meat to think about in what I posted than in your backbiting post, Lady V.

You certainly haven't contributed anything of substance. Or are you waiting to see how the wind blows before you parrot an opinion?

But, since we're here. Wonder if the departed member sent a PM to Laurel, with the offending PMs attached as an example of harrassment and gave the Web site a chance to do something about it. And, if so, what the response was.

I've been stalked right on the forum (you have been close to qualifying for that yourself, Lady V ) and have reported it and the only times there was a response from the Web site was when posts gave personal information on me (guess action taken there as it violated more than one Web site rule).

There's no way in hell to control what someone choses to post within the bounds of capability here, but there's no way the Web site can do anything about it if the Web site isn't informed of it.

 

[SikFuk]

Is there a solution to this problem of dickhead losers stalking LIT women? Yes. Would the LIT community be willing to pay for it? That is the question.

LIT could hire an IT person whose only job would be tracking down these stalkers and outing them in real life. It's the anonymity the emboldens them. Eliminate the anonymity and you eliminate the problem.

I'd be willing to pay a "civility fee" to keep this site safe, even though I only come here in spurts (pun intended.) I compare it to paying taxes so we can call the police when we need them. There are no cops here. It's an environment that attracts criminal behavior.

Is policing criminal behavior the same as "babysitting"? That's a discussion that could go on indefinitely. In the meantime, the problem remains.

 

[LadyVer]

I'm sure there will be those who realize there's more meat to think about in what I posted than in your backbiting post, Lady V.

You certainly haven't contributed anything of substance. Or are you waiting to see how the wind blows before you parrot an opinion?

But, since we're here. Wonder if the departed member sent a PM to Laurel, with the offending PMs attached as an example of harrassment and gave the Web site a chance to do something about it. And, if so, what the response was.

I've been stalked right on the Web site (you are close to qualifying for that yourself, Lady V ) and have reported it and the only times there was a response from the Web site was when a post gave personal information on me (guess action taken there as it violated more than one Web site rule).

There's no way in hell to control what someone choses to post within the bounds of capability here, but there's no way the Web site can do anything about it if the Web site isn't informed of it.

That wasn't backbiting. That was sarcasm. And backbiting and sarcasm are both something you use a lot of on the threads, so don't act like Mr. Congeniality. You may think you're Mr. Congeniality, but a poll would show otherwise.

I'm close to qualifying as a stalker? Who exactly am I stalking? You?

I don't know how much "substance" has been posted to this thread, but I think most people made some worthwhile comments. If you had offered some other information than your usual babysitting and old generation comments, just maybe I could have held the sarcasm back.

I'm perfectly capable of making a comment without a parrot.

___________________
BTW, when one is stalked on Lit, sending a pm to Laurel does work, especially if the stalking involves threats of physical violence.

 

[sr71plt]

Is policing criminal behavior the same as "babysitting"? That's a discussion that could go on indefinitely. In the meantime, the problem remains.

Criminal behavior doesn't enter into this no matter how much some of you want to assume it does. First, it doesn't involve more than fake names on an Internet site the abused is voluntarily participating in. Any legal sense of stalking doesn't really even begin until the abused leaves the Web site and is pursued beyond it--in their real-life persona. Second, the threats are only criminal when they are acted upon.

Thinking Lit. could/would hire an IT guy to track these guys down and report them only to be told, "show me something illegal they are doing," is, yes, the "expectation of babysitting" syndrome. The reality is that Literotica can't even maintain the functions of its own site let alone pursue something as illegal that isn't. It's all part of this misunderstanding of what "rights" are in the Internet.

If you want to be doing more than just blowing smoke, back up to urging the Web site to honor and pursue its own harassment rules and zero out the accounts as they occur (and recurr). And do it directly to them. This forum is monitored or even necessarily read by anyone in authority here.

I too wish the Web site would do this. But we've had a lot bigger abuse stories than this (e.g., the dead baby incident) happen on this Web site with nary a peep from the Web site adminstration. That appears to be their message that this is an adult site and you take responsibility for being here and on the site as it is as adults, or it's bye-bye.

 

[Serafina1210]

*Sigh* You're asserting "rights" a fake name voluntarily posting on the Internet being engaged by other fake names simply does not have. You need to get over your sense of entitlements that don't exist in the situation that you voluntarily entered. A "right" is a legal term. You are misusing it and thus assuming a position you don't have.go find another one. You are here voluntarily.

It wasn't a fake name being threatened with virtual rape. It was a flesh-and-blood woman being threatened with a violation of her body in the real-world place where she lives.

 

[sr71plt]

It wasn't a fake name being threatened with virtual rape. It was a flesh-and-blood woman being threatened with a violation of her body in the real-world place where she lives.

*Sigh* OK, ye of the hard head. Go ahead and call the police. We'll both hear the horselaugh.

Just love it when the uninformed rattle rockets here that they don't have (especially while they are ignoring anything that they actually could do about it).

 

[lovecraft68]

Classy! Show off your feminist flair by slut-shaming women who express an opposing viewpoint!

On one hand, it sucks that it's gotten so bad she feels the need to delete her profile altogether. On the other hand, victim culture has gotten way out of hand. I'm not sure which is more depressing.

How is that shaming?

That woman made a snarky remark that the op was "sensitive" meanwhile she has a sig that's a walking billboard that says come talk dirty to me, which is fine for her, but that is not the reason many women are here.

And we all are well aware, how could we not be, that you are a fan of rape stories and fantasies and are probably jealous those threats weren't made to you.

Which brings me to the point I previously made, there are plenty of women here who are fine with that type of game so why do these assholes have to go after women who do not look for it?

Slut shaming, please you need to get out in the real world.

 

[lovecraft68]

*Sigh* OK, ye of the hard head. Go ahead and call the police. We'll both hear the horselaugh.

Just love it when the uninformed rattle rockets here that they don't have (especially while they are ignoring anything that they actually could do about it).

Actually, ye who lives in the 60's, and wouldn't know the real world if it bit you in the ass, the laws are evolving as more and more cyber crimes are being acknowledged as cyber crimes.

Would the police do something about this? Sadly it depends on the cop, but if they are doing their job they forward it out to whatever jurisdiction the asshat lives in and if they do their job they contact him and pretty much just make him nervous.

Can they outright charge him with intent? No, stick and stones, he'll say he was just fooling around and they will say, "as you can see no one is laughing" and they send him on his way like a scolded child.

IF a person does this enough, as I said cyber bullying is becoming a prosecutable offense. It won't go down as a rape charge of course, but sexual harassment and stalking is certainly on the table.

Especially because with this type of person it is never a one time one person thing. My money says this stalker has sent these threats to other women here and probably other sites as well.

Law enforcement gets into his e-mails its see you later.

I know you won't believe that because you won't want to, but that is a fact. Got a friend who works in a SVU and they are paying attention to this behavior because it can start out as nasty e-mails and easily go to the next level in a disturbed individual.