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Hey asshole - where is your proof of my alleged homophobia?
Lying piece of shit.
Maybe you confused me with Throb.
Islamic & Christian Fundamentalism--What's the difference?
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Hey asshole - where is your proof of my alleged homophobia?
Lying piece of shit.
Maybe you confused me with Throb.
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hashtag45
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The problem with many progressive GBers : they're not used to nuances.
To them, any discussion about Islam equals "racism against Middle Easterners".
- When in fact those people who criticize Islam (the ideology) also feel that many muslims (the people) are persecuted in western countries.
Is Middle Easterners' fault that they were born into Islam (which still has homophobic and misogynistic aspects to it)? Are Eastern Europeans to blame for the fact that they were born in Communist atheist countries that persecuted religious individuals?
Of course not. In fact I met many nice muslims and people from the ex-Soviet block.
Two entirely different notions but for them they're the same. They either can't, or they pretend not to pick up these differences. H8rs RUs.
To them, any discussion about Islam equals "racism against Middle Easterners".
- When in fact those people who criticize Islam (the ideology) also feel that many muslims (the people) are persecuted in western countries.
Is Middle Easterners' fault that they were born into Islam (which still has homophobic and misogynistic aspects to it)? Are Eastern Europeans to blame for the fact that they were born in Communist atheist countries that persecuted religious individuals?
Of course not. In fact I met many nice muslims and people from the ex-Soviet block.
Two entirely different notions but for them they're the same. They either can't, or they pretend not to pick up these differences. H8rs RUs.
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Christian fundamentalism would best be exemplified by how His followers conducted their lives during His ministry and after His crucifixion, and for the next 300 years (roughly). I do not know of any violence of any kind these followers ever committed against any others, which is truly impressive considering how massively persecuted and executed they were.
The difference is in how blood and life is let: the Christ, it is written, gave His on the Cross to cover the sins of all who believe, and his followers gave their lives instead of renouncing Him. Believer martyrdom isn't about hurting anyone in the least.
On the other hand, Emperor Constantine reportedly found Jesus on the bloody battlefield of the Milvian Bridge and immediately began spilling others' blood in his name; then he created his state religion of Christianity and its bloodthirsty reputation simply grew. Thus, infamous Onward Christian soldier martyrdom was born.
Islamic fundamentalism, too, was born in the blood slayed criminally from others, and it still thrives today just as it started. Muslim martyrdom, of course, is killing as many others as you can before dying yourself - as yesterday morning in Orlando most recently demonstrates.
Quite obviously then, the differences between christian fundamentalism, Christianity, and Islamic fundamentalism could not be any starker than the very difference between Life and death itself.
The difference is in how blood and life is let: the Christ, it is written, gave His on the Cross to cover the sins of all who believe, and his followers gave their lives instead of renouncing Him. Believer martyrdom isn't about hurting anyone in the least.
On the other hand, Emperor Constantine reportedly found Jesus on the bloody battlefield of the Milvian Bridge and immediately began spilling others' blood in his name; then he created his state religion of Christianity and its bloodthirsty reputation simply grew. Thus, infamous Onward Christian soldier martyrdom was born.
Islamic fundamentalism, too, was born in the blood slayed criminally from others, and it still thrives today just as it started. Muslim martyrdom, of course, is killing as many others as you can before dying yourself - as yesterday morning in Orlando most recently demonstrates.
Quite obviously then, the differences between christian fundamentalism, Christianity, and Islamic fundamentalism could not be any starker than the very difference between Life and death itself.
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Muslims don't do these things. Ignorant, murdering, backward ass, fascists fucks do these things in the name of Islam. Every credible and leading Islamic institution and scholar decries these atrocities. Are those white Christians who wave placards saying 'God hates Fags" true Christians. I don't think so. Jesus would have had nothing to do with their type.
This is a fight against fascism. Whether it is a political based fascism or theological, it is still totalitarian fascism. The Nazis, Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea and Daesh are not different. Fascist fucks who control their people by force and intimidation.
I doubt the ignorant lawless goat herders in Pakistan's Autonomous Region would act any better if they were Christian instead of Muslim. Christian fundies can be as backward ass, ignorant and intolerant as any illiterate goat herder in isolated mountain regions.
This is a fight against fascism. Whether it is a political based fascism or theological, it is still totalitarian fascism. The Nazis, Saudi Arabia, Iran, North Korea and Daesh are not different. Fascist fucks who control their people by force and intimidation.
I doubt the ignorant lawless goat herders in Pakistan's Autonomous Region would act any better if they were Christian instead of Muslim. Christian fundies can be as backward ass, ignorant and intolerant as any illiterate goat herder in isolated mountain regions.
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Miles is a vile disgusting racist bigot.
Having said that, Miles seldom if ever joins his fellow shitlords in gay bashing.
I am of the opinion that this is because one or more of his hambeast daughters is a rug muncher.
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Christians in Uganda, inspired by US evangelicals like Scott Lively, were calling for the death penalty for sodomy. The lawmakers only went as far as life imprisonment.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/jul/24/evangelical-christians-homophobia-africa
That was a few years ago, so here's a more recent one. Kevin Swanson calls for the execution of Girl Scout leaders who are pro-gay.
http://www.lgbtqnation.com/2016/03/girl-scout-leaders-should-be-executed-for-being-pro-gay/
Found these in about ten minutes of searching.
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What no reports of burning children alive and taking young girls as sex slaves???
No open acceptance of regularly raping boys??
No mass beheadings?
No mass amounts of midieval tortures and honor killings?
No mass destruction of cultural heritage?
Imagine that maybe just maybe, western culture and Christianity ISN'T THE SAME.
I'm more inclined to think that government has replaced religion as the reason for declining birth rate. You don't need family to care for you when Big Government can.
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I'm perpetually dumbfounded by the fact that so many people who post in this forum are so keen
to vilify the faith of their own kind. (i.e. someone claimed just today that there are Millions of american Christians who wish death upon all homosexuals)
As of 2014, 318.9 million people lived in the United States. The mainstream religion of the United States is Christianity. Members of extremist groups like Westboro Baptist Church and KKK believe that homosexuality is either a sin or taints the pure bloodline. So even if just one percent of the 318.9 million people believe what these groups do, it is quite easily possible that millions of people just here alone wish death upon all homosexuals. It doesn't mean that they would necessarily act on it; you can bet they wouldn't likely to step in and stop it.
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And the fact that they aren't doing things like killing/torturing hundreds of thousands in the most gruesome fashions possible makes the scum at Westboro head and shoulders superior human beings on a variety of levels over the IslamoNazis who are burning small children alive for entertainment.
Anyone actually trying to draw comparison between the two is either genuinely ignorant of what's been going on in the middle east or they are willfully ignorant to stay in step with their IslamoNazi loving political ideology.
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Bookishleigh
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My point wasn't that Christian Fundamentalists were like Islamic Fundamentalists. Hssh made a comment about not being able to believe "millions" of Christians would want to see gays dead. My response was to Hssh since I am the one who responded to the comment yesterday about Christians.
Had I intended to compare Christian and Islamic extremists, I wouldn't have responded to Hssh's comment directly and just responded in general.
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Sorry I should have clarified, I didn't mean to have this come off as a direct criticism of your comment. I intended to use your comment as a platform of sorts, "In addition to what she said" would have been a better lead on into my first comment than 'And' .
The second half was at large to everyone who tries to use Westboro or even the KKK as an excuse for ISIS or Bokohodipshit's behavior, not you.
I'm just sick and tired of the western culture bashing and used your comment to interject my Islam bashing. Sorry about that, I'll refrain from doing so in the future.
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Scott Lively is a US citizen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Lively#Anti-homosexuality_activism_in_UgandaChristians in Uganda? What do they have to do with the States?
Come on…
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Bookishleigh
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And I'm a little short today myself (well, technically every day but we're not discussing my height). I think all forms of organized groups have their extremists, not just religion. I mean I'm a huge animal rights activist but I think some followers of PETA and ALF are extremists. Just like there political extremists. When people can find a common cause they can feed off each other. Some groups are worse than others.
Personally, I think the teachings of the New Testament and the peace-loving Jesus is what Christianity SHOULD be, but because there are so many hypocrites who cling to literal translations to propagate hatred and bigotry it has turned me off of organized religion.
And now I'm just rambling....highly medicated today (fucking migraine).
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My post was in fact targetting phrodeau, since to me, yesterday He appeared to have made a generalizing statement (that Christians overall are bigotted).
Your comment yesterday, as well as this one show that you clearly differentiate between the moderate, appropriate everyday Christian and the extremists.
I'm with you on that too, because I read some mind-boggling things about the Westborough Baptist Church.
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((P.S. - I'm a she. The "hssh is a he" is just Blurt Thread nonsense)).
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Bookishleigh
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Sorry about that - my brain is muddled today with migraine meds. I'm actually going to edit my post to correct it. NOT that it will make you feel better but I called Stephen Colbert, Robert Colbert earlier - and I have a major nerd crush on him.
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Christian Fundamentalists and Islamic Fundamentalists are exactly alike in that they seek to use their religion to impose their own moral code upon others.
Where they differ, however, is in exactly HOW they go about imposing that code.
Christian Fundamentalists, largely present in the first world, tend to want to use the "force of law" to do their dirty work. Just pass a law to discriminate against gays, blacks, trannies, etc and let the police and courts do their coercion for them. That way, Christian Fundamentalists keep their dainty hands clean and their souls and conscience "pure".
Most Islamic Fundamentalists, by contrast, tend to live in lesser developed countries, where disputes are largely handled by sword or gun. The law is an afterthought. Islamic fundamentalists get more personally involved in coercing the unbelieving into their way of thinking.
As such, the suffering may be the same for those that fundies disagree with in both parts of the world, but the actual body count is higher under Islamic fundamentalism.
I'd also like to point out that many Christian fundamentalists insist on applying first-world standards to religions they don't agree with in third-world countries, and that has the unfortunate effect of them wanting to demonize the entirety of Islam for the acts of the relative few.
Where they differ, however, is in exactly HOW they go about imposing that code.
Christian Fundamentalists, largely present in the first world, tend to want to use the "force of law" to do their dirty work. Just pass a law to discriminate against gays, blacks, trannies, etc and let the police and courts do their coercion for them. That way, Christian Fundamentalists keep their dainty hands clean and their souls and conscience "pure".
Most Islamic Fundamentalists, by contrast, tend to live in lesser developed countries, where disputes are largely handled by sword or gun. The law is an afterthought. Islamic fundamentalists get more personally involved in coercing the unbelieving into their way of thinking.
As such, the suffering may be the same for those that fundies disagree with in both parts of the world, but the actual body count is higher under Islamic fundamentalism.
I'd also like to point out that many Christian fundamentalists insist on applying first-world standards to religions they don't agree with in third-world countries, and that has the unfortunate effect of them wanting to demonize the entirety of Islam for the acts of the relative few.
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lol you don't need to.Sorry about that - my brain is muddled today with migraine meds. I'm actually going to edit my post to correct it. NOT that it will make you feel better but I called Stephen Colbert, Robert Colbert earlier - and I have a major nerd crush on him.
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Bookishleigh
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Too late. You have always been respectful towards me so it's right that I do the same.
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Of course they would act better if they were Christian instead of Muslim. Christians don't throw homosexuals off rooftops to the delight of a cheering crowd of average citizens.
