Islamic & Christian Fundamentalism--What's the difference?

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Here are some statements from bible-belt Christian Fundamentalists:

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Charles L. Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church in Maiden, N.C., condemns President Obama's http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...terview-robin-roberts-abc-news_n_1503311.html [endorsement of same sex marriage], while calling for gays and lesbians to be put in an electrified pen and ultimately killed off.

Build a great, big, large fence -- 150 or 100 mile long -- put all the lesbians in there, Worley suggests [in the clip, reportedly filmed on May 13].

He continues: Do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals and have that fence electrified so they can't get out...and you know what, in a few years, they'll die out...do you know why? They can't reproduce!

Note that Charles L. Worley, the North Carolina pastor, includes lesbians in his call to put them in an electrified fence to kill them off.

More preachers:

Pastor Sean Harris of the Berean Baptist Church in Fayetteville: if he is effeminate and crack that wrist if he is limp-wristed.

Similarly, Tim Rabon, condemned states such as Massachusetts, Connecticut and Maryland which have already re-defined marriage to include lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) couples before asking his congregants, "What is stopping them from refining marriage from a person and a beast?" We're not far from that.

Pastor Suggests Gays Should Be Prosecuted Like They Were Historically:
Ron Baity, founding pastor of Winston-Salem's Berean Baptist Church and head of the anti-marriage equality organization Return America, referred to homosexuality as a perverted lifestyle in a Sunday sermon before telling his congregation that lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) people should be prosecuted. For 300 years, we had laws that would prosecute that lifestyle. We've gone down the wrong path. We've become so dumb that we have accepted a lie for the truth, and we've...discarded the truth on the shoals of shipwreck.

Victoria Jackson, the former Saturday Night Live star [said] Did you see Glee this week? Sickening! And, besides shoving the gay thing down our throats, they made a mockery of Christians - again! I wonder what their agenda is? Hey, producers of Glee - what's your agenda? One-way tolerance? She later appeared on Showbiz Tonight to clarify her thoughts. Well, it doesn't matter what I think. What matters is what the Bible says.

Posted by John Celock: 05/19/2012 12:55 pm:

A Mississippi state lawmaker quoted a Bible passage on Facebook calling for gay men to be put to death; has taken to the social networking site again to refuse to apologize for the remark.
Rep. Andy Gipson (R-Braxton) Friday to say that although he has been receiving emails and calls [with regard to his statement], he will not say he's sorry. The emails have come in response to a petition calling on the lawmaker to issue an apology and to meet with LGBT groups in Mississippi.

To be clear, I want the world to know that I do not, cannot, and will not apologize for the inspired truth of God's Word. It is one thing that will never 'change, Gipson wrote. Anyone who knows me knows I also believe that all people are created in God's image, and that all people are loved by God, so much so that He gave us the truth of His Word which convicts us of the reality and guilt of our sin, and He gave us His Son Jesus who paid the full penalty for all our sins, by His grace through our faith in Him as we repent of our sin. It is this message that I preach every Sunday. I sincerely pray God will reach someone through this message.

Gipson is a Baptist minister and a business lawyer when not serving in the Legislature. He notes that his family are of the Christian faith, and are affiliated with the Southern Baptist Convention.

The passage from Leviticus that Gipson first cited reads: If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

On Facebook at least, Gipson has received overwhelming support for his original comments and his refusal to apologize. Eighty-three people have liked his post, and he's received dozens of supportive comments, including praise for supporting God and sticking to his original message:

I stand with you my friend. ... GOD is in control ... no place for Gays,; Ted W. Cole.

Gipson, 35, has served in the Mississippi Legislature since 2008. He chairs a judiciary committee.
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I copied those quotes a couple of years ago. Much has happened since then, but change their minds? I doubt it.

But what's the difference between what happened in Orlando and what these Christian Fundamentalists have said (and are probably still saying, just not so openly--maybe)?

Both the Islamist Fundamentals and their Christian brethren believe similarly, but Islam, for a great (big) part, has no laws such as we have. Other than that there are some differences, but not in how they think and feel about anything LGBT. Christian Fundamentalists would kill, as their words indicate, but are constrained by our legal system (as a few have found out). The Islamists aren't.

The hate and ignorance is a shame!

Peace, and would that it were so.

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No difference. Hate and intolerance know no colour, ethnic or theological barriers. Even the Buddhists go around murdering in the name of religion.

Extremism is the enemy. Socialist, okay. Soviet style communism bad. Right wing leaning, that's cool. Hitler lover that's bad. Religious, nothing wrong there. Fanatic, danger Will Robinson!

Totalitarianism is the enemy of democracy.

The dickhead waving a black flag in Syria has more in common with Westboro types than any decent citizen regardless of religious orientation.
 
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It's like saying what's the difference between a robber and a burglar except they're just after your property: religion wants to control you.
 
I know of no Christian minister, regardless of the hatred he may vent with respect to various specific sins or sinners, who advocates that members of his congregation have an obligation to kill such people on God's behalf.

And for all the vitriol that is dispensed from Christian pulpits there are precious few Christians who commit theologically inspired homicides.

That's the major difference I see.
 
I know of no Christian minister, regardless of the hatred he may vent with respect to various specific sins or sinners, who advocates that members of his congregation have an obligation to kill such people on God's behalf.

And for all the vitriol that is dispensed from Christian pulpits there are precious few Christians who commit theologically inspired homicides.

That's the major difference I see.

You may want to look at the history of Christianity and hate crimes committed in the name of Christianity and rethink your statement.

You may not personally know a pastor, priest, or minister who has called for the death of others but they have been and still are out there.
 
You may want to look at the history of Christianity and hate crimes committed in the name of Christianity and rethink your statement.

You may not personally know a pastor, priest, or minister who has called for the death of others but they have been and still are out there.

You sound like you could name a few. Enlighten us. What current pastor, priest or minister has done what you claim?
 
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You sound like you could name a few. Enlighten us.

The Inquisition, the Crusades, Antisemitism, French Wars of a Religion,
Christian terrorism in the US, abortion clinic bombings, killing and beating of homosexuals and transgenders, the Waco Seige

Gun Powder plot, Pogroms, the KKK, Central African Republic, National Liberation Front of Tripura, National Socialist Council of Nagaland, Manmasi National Christian Army, Marinite Christian Militias, Lord's Resistance Army, Christian Reconstructionism and Dominionists, Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ

The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
US Christian Militia Groups, Hutaree Christian militia movement

There are more but that's a good start
 
The Inquisition, the Crusades, Antisemitism, French Wars of a Religion,
Christian terrorism in the US, abortion clinic bombings, killing and beating of homosexuals and transgenders, the Waco Seige

Gun Powder plot, Pogroms, the KKK, Central African Republic, National Liberation Front of Tripura, National Socialist Council of Nagaland, Manmasi National Christian Army, Marinite Christian Militias, Lord's Resistance Army, Christian Reconstructionism and Dominionists, Christian Identity and Christian Patriot movements, including the Lambs of Christ

The Covenant, The Sword, and the Arm of the Lord
US Christian Militia Groups, Hutaree Christian militia movement

There are more but that's a good start
So let's have that Christian body count for the last five years.
 
"This is the saddest day of my life. I can't even wrap my mind around the horror of what happened last night in Orlando, where 50 joyful dancing queers were murdered by a religious extremist. I'm sad -- devastated, in my soul -- about that; but I'm also sad that the events of Orlando have shattered my political beliefs, as I can no longer swear allegiance to a peace-love-and-unicorns progressive philosophy that only helps to get my fellow queers killed.

"Yes, there is a war between religious fundamentalism and the spirit of love and tolerance. But we progressives here in America still labor under the delusion that the religion we need to combat is Christianity. But that's a strawman opponent, and has been so for decades. Since the 1990s, Christian extremists have essentially lost all their power, and are now toothless nonplayers in the "culture wars." Meanwhile, Muslim extremists, with guns, murder us, and on the left our only response is to bleat about "Islamophobia" and jump through hoops trying to explain away the self-evident religious motivation for the killings."

https://pjmedia.com/trending/2016/06/12/gay-activist-after-orlando-trump-voter/?singlepage=true
 
Christianity uses propogation to achieve dominance...the Great Commission commands Christians to spread the message of love and forgiveness as the path to eternal life.

Muslims preach the eradication of those who do not believe, with eternal life for the killers.

Chalk and cheese.
 
Then why is the birthrate in "Christian" nations declining while the population of the religion of Peace is ballooning?
 
Religion is a tool of the devil.

I laughed.

All biting humor works because of underlying truth.

Assuming, for the sake of discussion there is a God and there is a Devil, as real, incarnate beings with actual powers to influence individual humans, bastardizing religion is the Devil's most effective tool.

Historically, and currently, that seems to be a theme.

I can't see God minding any brand of religion dispensing homilies, positive messages and encouraging good behavior.

I also don't think the Devil is too brand-conscious. Takes what he can get amongst whatever group will heed his influences. By definition, religious followers tend to be followers, thus easily led. For good or evil.

If I were to devise a litmus test as to whether a particular stripe of religion is "good" or "evil" I would fall back to first principles of freedom and liberty. Does the faith encourage me to avoid giving offence to others? Is it about SELF improvement and development? The problem with shame-based dogma is it is easier to project that on others than to use it introspectively.
 
Then why is the birthrate in "Christian" nations declining while the population of the religion of Peace is ballooning?

Because "go forth and multiply" has been supplanted with "go forth and buy stuff" as one's patriotic duty. Consumerism is both our false religion and our false economy.
 
Because "go forth and multiply" has been supplanted with "go forth and buy stuff" as one's patriotic duty. Consumerism is both our false religion and our false economy.

So you're advocating for getting women out of their shoes, into your kitchen and carrying your children?

:eek:

I prefer to let mine shop...
 
The difference is that fundamentalism thrived in the past, and Islamic fundamentalism is thriving now. Christians do not blow themselves up or shoot people at a concert hall or disco, but Muslims do.
 
Because "go forth and multiply" has been supplanted with "go forth and buy stuff" as one's patriotic duty. Consumerism is both our false religion and our false economy.

Yes and at the same time, gives the Muslims an unending supply of fresh targets.
 
Yes and at the same time, gives the Muslims an unending supply of fresh targets.

I thought they really understood us when the WTC fell. I assumed lots of Wall Street/ financial infrastructure targets would follow. Dumb luck on their part. They just wanted the symbolism of a big building. Doubt they had any idea what was done by whom in that building.
 
You may want to look at the history of Christianity and hate crimes committed in the name of Christianity and rethink your statement.

You may not personally know a pastor, priest, or minister who has called for the death of others but they have been and still are out there.

I'm perpetually dumbfounded by the fact that so many people who post in this forum are so keen
to vilify the faith of their own kind. (i.e. someone claimed just today that there are Millions of american Christians who wish death upon all homosexuals :confused:)
- while turning a blind eye on similar, if not worse homophobic beliefs preached by other religions, and attacking anyone who makes even a whiff of a nonPC comment about them.

Nostradamus was right. Anti-Christ and his army are right here, in this forum.
 
Then why is the birthrate in "Christian" nations declining while the population of the religion of Peace is ballooning?

Most Christians live in first-world countries, where access to birth control is readily available, despite the best efforts of conservatives to limit access to birth control.

Most Muslims live in third world backwaters, where birth control is limited due to cost or government prohibition.
 
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