Is this a terrible idea (a Hot Button Issue)?

[pink_silk_glove]

I think you are unfair to a lot of the work on this site. I think it often does reflect deeper feelings within ourselves. And I think you feel the readers short, too. Many of them do want a quick release. But other times they (or other readers) want a good read unfettered by our lingering victorian mores.

Of course, I do not disagree, but the majority of the audience wants porn. For me to mention the disclaimer every time I state this would just be too much typing. There is something for everyone here absolutely, but most people just want porn.

 

[iwatchus]

Of course, I do not disagree, but the majority of the audience wants porn. For me to mention the disclaimer every time I state this would just be too much typing. There is something for everyone here absolutely, but most people just want porn.

It may be the majority, but I don't think it's the overwhelming majority that people seem to assume. And I suspect it is actually the minority once you get out of LW and Mommy sat in my lap land.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

It may be the majority, but I don't think it's the overwhelming majority that people seem to assume. And I suspect it is actually the minority once you get out of LW and Mommy sat in my lap land.

No, it's the majority in almost all categories. There are 32 categories and something like 27 of them are simply kink-based. People go to those categories looking for their kink and not much else. On top of that, the most popular and common plot angle is slutty hot unicorn jumps invisible boring lump of guy. This is porn.

There are writers right here in the AH that are regarded is talented wordsmiths and on recommendation I check out their stuff and it's ... slutty unicorn, boring guy. Even if the prose is smooth, it's disappointing for me but staggeringly popular for almost everyone else. Yes, absolutely there is something for everyone here, but plotless porn is the elephant in the room.

 

[big_cane_sugar]

This is porn, whether we want it to be or not. Even the deepest artiest most literary stuff published here is subject to the scrutiny of porn. Art imitates life except for the subgenre of porn. Erotica usually imitates life at least to some degree but porn does not imitate life. It is pure fantasy. When the readers want porn, they don't want life, they want 100% fantasy - their own specific fantasy. There is nothing that the writer can do to change that. The writer can only find a niche to pander to, or just not care and write the story.

Even sci-fi and high fantasy uses pure obvious fiction yet still imitates life by isolating human conditions. How much of Star Trek and LotR tell us about ourselves? Porn? Nahh.

I feel that porn and romance actually tell us a lot about ourselves even if they only tell us about our fantasies. The question of what they tell us is not easy - most people probably don't actually desire to commit incest or be with the kind of alpha hero that romance novels feature. Also we might not want to know what they tell us because it's probably not flattering to human nature or to ourselves. But still, I think they do tell us something.

 

[big_cane_sugar]

slutty hot unicorn jumps invisible boring lump of guy

Okay for me that is a story idea lol

Clearly I like porn.

 

[Kelliezgirl]

No, it's the majority in almost all categories. There are 32 categories and something like 27 of them are simply kink-based. People go to those categories looking for their kink and not much else. On top of that, the most popular and common plot angle is slutty hot unicorn jumps invisible boring lump of guy. This is porn.

There are writers right here in the AH that are regarded is talented wordsmiths and on recommendation I check out their stuff and it's ... slutty unicorn, boring guy. Even if the prose is smooth, it's disappointing for me but staggeringly popular for almost everyone else. Yes, absolutely there is something for everyone here, but plotless porn is the elephant in the room.

Perhaps it's just that your squick requires a certain type of MMC.
I think the issue of character development is also one of story length.
If it's a 3k work story, then there isn't much room for well developed characters. As the story length increases my expectations for character development do as well.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Perhaps it's just that your squick requires a certain type of MMC.

What squick?

 

[Kelliezgirl]

What squick?

Wanting a certain type of male protagonist.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

Wanting a certain type of male protagonist.

Well okay, but that's not really a squick like 'ewww I hate anal' <-- that's a squick.

 

[DeMont]

This is porn, whether we want it to be or not. Even the deepest artiest most literary stuff published here is subject to the scrutiny of porn. Art imitates life except for the subgenre of porn. Erotica usually imitates life at least to some degree but porn does not imitate life. It is pure fantasy. When the readers want porn, they don't want life, they want 100% fantasy - their own specific fantasy. There is nothing that the writer can do to change that. The writer can only find a niche to pander to, or just not care and write the story.

Even sci-fi and high fantasy uses pure obvious fiction yet still imitates life by isolating human conditions. How much of Star Trek and LotR tell us about ourselves? Porn? Nahh.

@pink_silk_glove,
It is porn because we are here, at this moment, all of us, writers, readers, all here on Literotica because we are seeking, wanting and expecting "pornography". A quick look-up of Pornography reveals that it is defined as;
1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2: material (such as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction
(the pornography of violence)

Leaving aside item 3 which is, and should be, relatively frowned upon when used in conjunction with sexual situations, yes, we are here for the "porn" otherwise we wouldn't be here. As for the writing of it not imitating life I willingly admit that I use experience when writing sex scenes. The sex I write is never 100% fiction, sure, I embellish, I'll exaggerate, employ a little "artistic licence" to make it a focal point of the story but it's never so simple as 100% fantasy. Regardless of whether the subject is in the sc-fi, fantasy, reality, warped reality scenario the core of the sex is real.

As I mentioned, I believe, in a "kinks" thread that I had an ex-partner who was fond of fisting but she was also very much into oral, vaginal, toys, anal, bondage (not BDSM) in fact she was what I call "Trysexual" - "if it was sexual she'd try it". Sure she, and I, had our limits but they were few so for me the "porn" or sex that I write mirrors, at it's heart, things I have actually experienced in real life. Without that I would, I think, be hard pressed to write a believable sex scene.

Respectfully, always,
D.

 

[pink_silk_glove]

As I mentioned, I believe, in a "kinks" thread that I had an ex-partner who was fond of fisting but she was also very much into oral, vaginal, toys, anal, bondage (not BDSM) in fact she was what I call "Trysexual" - "if it was sexual she'd try it". Sure she, and I, had our limits but they were few so for me the "porn" or sex that I write mirrors, at it's heart, things I have actually experienced in real life. Without that I would, I think, be hard pressed to write a believable sex scene.

You are talking about what you write. I was speaking of the expectations of the readership, in a general sense at least. The readers do not care how much reality you put into your writing. Sure, some do, many do, but by and large the majority do not. That is my point. Even if you put a dose of reality into your story and the readers love it, fave it and score it highly, they are most likely not doing so because of any reality that you put into it. Your story just happened to be close enough to what gets them off to score, regardless of how real you made it.

Now if you have your own niche audience or niche following that is probably different, but if you somehow wow the masses at large with something intended to be arty and real, most likely it was by accident.

 

[DeMont]

You are talking about what you write. I was speaking of the expectations of the readership, in a general sense at least. The readers do not care how much reality you put into your writing. Sure, some do, many do, but by and large the majority do not. That is my point. Even if you put a dose of reality into your story and the readers love it, fave it and score it highly, they are most likely not doing so because of any reality that you put into it. Your story just happened to be close enough to what gets them off to score, regardless of how real you made it.

Now if you have your own niche audience or niche following that is probably different, but if you somehow wow the masses at large with something intended to be arty and real, most likely it was by accident.

@pink_silk_glove,
That is probably closer to the truth than many of us realise my dear colleague but then again, they do say that very often truth is stranger fiction don't they?
Respectfully,
D.