Is there a rule against underage violence?

[LaRascasse]

Nothing remotely sexual, but part of my main character's backstory is that he took several bad knocks from his Dad growing up (including one brief but scary flashback).

Is there a rule against it that I'm not aware of?

 

[PennLady]

Not that I know of. In my story "Facing the Past," the main character has a physically abusive childhood, and there's a flashback scene -- not sexual -- where her brother slams her into a locker. That went through with no problems.

 

[LaRascasse]

Not that I know of. In my story "Facing the Past," the main character has a physically abusive childhood, and there's a flashback scene -- not sexual -- where her brother slams her into a locker. That went through with no problems.

Was that a scene of abuse per se? Or just an older brother being an asshole?

By my standards, abuse is only if one party is much older/in a position of power (like a father). What you mentioned could simply be unfortunate childhood fights.... just thinking out loud.

I just went over the submission FAQ and couldn't find anything relevant (if this is considered snuff, then I'll facepalm myself hard enough to break my hand).

So my current verdict is: green light.

Sad for the kid though....

 

[PennLady]

Was that a scene of abuse per se? Or just an older brother being an asshole?

By my standards, abuse is only if one party is much older/in a position of power (like a father). What you mentioned could simply be unfortunate childhood fights.... just thinking out loud.

I just went over the submission FAQ and couldn't find anything relevant (if this is considered snuff, then I'll facepalm myself hard enough to break my hand).

So my current verdict is: green light.

Sad for the kid though....

I suppose you'd have to read the story to judge for yourself. To me, the brother -- who was older -- was about to beat up his sister because he'd seen his father do it and was starting to get in the habit himself. He was in a position to do it because he was bigger, stronger, and she was recovering from a beating. To me, that's abuse.

I disagree with your standards of abuse. It's perfectly possible for a child to abuse an adult, or a younger sibling to abuse an older one. It may not be the usual way things works, but it can happen.

The scene, FWIW, is here. Scroll down to "Thirteen years ago...". I realize it will be out of context, but you can get the idea.

However, I agree with your greenlight. As for snuff -- no way. Snuff is killing and it doesn't sound like anyone dies in your scene.

 

[oggbashan]

In my latest posted episode (pt.03 of Harold Saves Her Husband) I killed off a 12 year old, trampled by an elephant.

But there was no description - just a report of the event.

I did add in the Notes Box that a 12 year old was in the story, but that he was not involved in any of the sexual activity.

 

[Hypoxia]

Mi dos centavos: If the abuser is sexually aroused by abusing the minor, then it's possibly a no-go. Laurel told me that even a line like "The old man viewed the prepubescent girl lustfully" would not be allowed. If an old guy gets a stiffy while spanking a kid, that's probably forbidden. If the abuser is just an asshole who likes to beat kids, but not sexually, then it's probably OK.

 

[StrangeLife]

The rule is simple:

If it's under 18, barks or is dead you can't fuck it. Feel free to kill it though, as long as you don't get a boner doing it.

 

[Hypoxia]

The rule is simple:

If it's under 18, barks or is dead you can't fuck it. Feel free to kill it though, as long as you don't get a boner doing it.

I'm not sure about the "don't fuck the dead" interpretation. No necro? Well, don't kill them WHILE fucking (that's snuff) but if they're already dead (and an adult human), I dunno. "I uncovered the body on the gurney. It was her! And she was so beautiful! She never gave me a glance when she was alive. Now, it was finally my chance..." Or how about fucked-to-death? "I was riding his stiffy when he shuddered and stopped breathing. I thought, oh god, a heart attack, and he's dead! But... did I really want to stop now? His dead cock was still tumescent. I kept riding. Yippie-ki-yay, dead-dude!" Those should be OK. But not this: "I felt my loins stir as I raised the belt to administer proper corporal punishment."

 

[StrangeLife]

I'm not sure about the "don't fuck the dead" interpretation. No necro?

I see your point. And I guess there is plenty of vampire-sex (and a little zombie-nookie too) going on in Non-Human.

I Or how about fucked-to-death? "I was riding his stiffy when he shuddered and stopped breathing. I thought, oh god, a heart attack, and he's dead! But... did I really want to stop now? His dead cock was still tumescent. I kept riding. Yippie-ki-yay, dead-dude!" Those should be OK. But not this: "I felt my loins stir as I raised the belt to administer proper corporal punishment."

I wanna read that story.


Oh god. I'm a sicko....

 

[lovecraft68]

I see your point. And I guess there is plenty of vampire-sex (and a little zombie-nookie too) going on in Non-Human.

Non human is a haven for "rule breakers" no rule seems to ever apply there.

 

[PennLady]

Non human is a haven for "rule breakers" no rule seems to ever apply there.

If you say so. Not in my experience with the category.

 

[RejectReality]

Come on, LC. You know that isn't true, so why say it?

Stories are rejected in NH, EH, and SF all the time for crossing the line. I've worked with authors on at least a dozen of them myself to determine where the problems were and whether they could be revised to pass muster. Beastiality, snuff, necrophilia, underage, and sexual violence have all been cited as the reasons, and only about half of them were workable, so they were never posted.

There are things that will pass there that won't in other mainstream categories, but it's hardly a free-for-all.

 

[TamLin01]

Of course there isn't. If there were it would say so. The rules seem pretty straightforward to me. I don't really understand where all of these questions come from.

 

[lovecraft68]

Honestly it is hard to say. I have done it and my thought was as long as its not sexual its okay. But that was my thought because I do not recall anything specific about it Under age violence, just violence in general in the rules.

But the rules are not always enforced due to less and less "editing" by the site over the last year or so, so who knows, maybe all of a sudden it will become an issue, but for now I have never seen a problem with it.

 

[lovecraft68]

Come on, LC. You know that isn't true, so why say it?

Stories are rejected in NH, EH, and SF all the time for crossing the line. I've worked with authors on at least a dozen of them myself to determine where the problems were and whether they could be revised to pass muster. Beastiality, snuff, necrophilia, underage, and sexual violence have all been cited as the reasons, and only about half of them were workable, so they were never posted.

There are things that will pass there that won't in other mainstream categories, but it's hardly a free-for-all.

But by nature of the category there are a lot of end arounds to the rules and if more people were interested in the material there could be a free for all.

I am wondering how recently you have worked with anyone with issues there, because the "screening" has become less and less in the last couple of years.

Besides the whole "that horse cock the woman is sucking is not a horse cock because the horse has a horn on its head" is crap anyway. Like Mr Ed knows, a horse is a horse of course of course so what you have is very poorly masked bestiality in a lot of the stories there.

I'm not going to argue it, but point is if it is furry and it is fucking and you are jacking or jilling off to it, you got a beastie kink. Is it wrong? That's not for anyone to decide a kink is a kink, but I love how people lie to themselves with that particular one.

 

[lovecraft68]

Nothing remotely sexual, but part of my main character's backstory is that he took several bad knocks from his Dad growing up (including one brief but scary flashback).

Is there a rule against it that I'm not aware of?

I thought you read SWB?

 

[JAMESBJOHNSON]

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I kill off teen assholes all the time. I started my mental health career working as an emergency intake counselor at the juvie jail in St.Petersburg. When the cops dragged them in I sent them one place or another. In those days I functioned as a lawyer more than therapist, playing lets make a deal with parents, prosecutor, and judge. The jail had a real courtroom. And I had a real highway patrol car to transport kiddies to other jails, bus stations, ERs etc. Florida Highway Patrol cars are black and yellow/orange, and big block Dodges in the early 80s.

Plenty of them teens needed killing. One is on Death Row at Raiford Prison. Adam Rattlesnake Davis. I found him, camping in the woods.

 

[RejectReality]

But by nature of the category there are a lot of end arounds to the rules and if more people were interested in the material there could be a free for all.

I am wondering how recently you have worked with anyone with issues there, because the "screening" has become less and less in the last couple of years.

Earlier this year on a snuff issue. One of the unworkable ones. The one before that was late last year, I believe, and bestiality. Also unworkable.

 

[LaRascasse]

I thought you read SWB?

Could have been the on... few that slipped through the cracks.... The general idea is distasteful and abhorrent, but an important part of the protag's character.

 

[walkerlong]

As I understand, this site seeks to provide sex-porn but not violence-porn. Like sex, violence is a part of life and is often a part of fiction as well. Also like sex, the point where an honest depiction of violence descends into porn is hard to define. We must rely on the supreme court precedent which states, "I know it when I see it."

 

[PennLady]

Besides the whole "that horse cock the woman is sucking is not a horse cock because the horse has a horn on its head" is crap anyway. Like Mr Ed knows, a horse is a horse of course of course so what you have is very poorly masked bestiality in a lot of the stories there.

I'm not going to argue it, but point is if it is furry and it is fucking and you are jacking or jilling off to it, you got a beastie kink. Is it wrong? That's not for anyone to decide a kink is a kink, but I love how people lie to themselves with that particular one.

I certainly haven't read all of the NH section, but I can tell you this -- in MANY if not most or all stories involving werewolves, -tigers, -lions, etc., the sex takes place when the shapeshifter is HUMAN in shape. The appeal of the animal side of the were character is just that -- the appeal of primal urges for sex, deep desires for desire, or the idea of protecting one's mate or something like that.

How come you think if people write NH stories, they're hiding a beastiality kink? If someone writes BDSM or incest -- or both -- does it mean they really want to do that to a sibling or other family member? Can't it be just a story?

 

[sr71plt]

I don't think I've ever written anything here with violence against someone underage. I have, though, started stories with sexual abuse by a step-parent of someone barely legal--these instances were setting the story dilemma and also bringing the protagonist into touch with their sexuality, whether at the time or even soon thereafter they were fully happy with that or not. Perhaps the stories were acceptable because the protagonists did get around to enjoying the sex that started there. It wasn't the centerpiece of the story, though--it was setting the dilemmas.

I have vampire stories here of being fucked to death. That was integral to the stories. They were accepted. If they hadn't been, I would have done an "oh, well" and submitted them somewhere else (they are all published to the marketplace and Amazon and other distributors accepted them). I have brutal murders during sex in a few stories that are fully "human" too. Again, the death during sex was integral to the story, but if the stories had been rejected, I probably would just have submitted them somewhere else. If it's a murder mystery, though, and the murder is a sex crime, the death during sex is going to be there--just as you can read in lots of mainstream books and can find in a TV program on some channel about 7/24 a day.

 

[Hypoxia]

We must rely on the supreme court precedent which states, "I know it when I see it."

Unfortunately, everyone has different visions and perceptions. What I see ain't what any individual Supe, judge, or sysop sees.

A case of mine: my story LIKE A HOLE IN THE HEAD was rejected for violence, even though no violence nor non-con occurred. The narrator THOUGHT about self-trepanning; that was enough. A fetish for nonviolent consensual sex with the brain-damaged is apparently over the line. Laurel said the rejection wasn't due to the content itself, but that she didn't think the story fit as erotica. Her vision differs from mine.

Or, on a different tack: I am definitely NOT a violence nor control freak. I have walked out of mainstream films that depict mayhem and pain too realistically (but I can stomach some cartoonish / satirical depictions). I usually avoid non-con, BDSM, rape, and areas that TO ME verge on violence pr0n -- a lot less extreme than what is tolerated here. That's me. I won't judge others' fetish and I won't try to ban what I don't like. My comfort zone is my own.

 

[TamLin01]

As I understand, this site seeks to provide sex-porn but not violence-porn. Like sex, violence is a part of life and is often a part of fiction as well. Also like sex, the point where an honest depiction of violence descends into porn is hard to define. We must rely on the supreme court precedent which states, "I know it when I see it."

Actually, this site being an entirely privately run affair, the precedent we really rely on is the opinion of the folks running the show. Legal stylings don't really enter into it.

 

[walkerlong]

Actually, this site being an entirely privately run affair, the precedent we really rely on is the opinion of the folks running the show. Legal stylings don't really enter into it.

No shit. That quote is just an illustration of the notorious difficulty in creating an explicit definition of obscenity.