Is the system rigged
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It's just that US election system is fucked up big time, that's all it is.
Rigged - is if, for example, Hillary had 150 000 more votes but in reality less people have voted for her. Votes from the air and that kind of thing.
Or if the number of electors was determined separately before each election. So that this yeat Florida was 20 electors and in for years it was suddenly only 4. Then you could have argued that the electors distribution is being rigged, adjusted to give certain party benefit. As far as I know the numbers are fixed though.
What you are talking about is not rigged. I'd call it unfair and even stupid system, but not "rigged"
It's actually funny how in US, the most democratic country in the world, the voices of people in reality mean nothing. It's not about voice count, it's about the electors. I can't fathom this system at all, how is it democratic?
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The system *IS* rigged, just as Tromp insisted all along. He should contest his victory. Right.
The system *IS* rigged, by gerrymandering and voter suppression. In some states a party gets 40% of votes and takes 60% of legislative seats. In some states, large numbers of eligible citizens are disenfranchised. GOPs know they can't win free and fair elections where everyone votes so they impose structural blocks. Welcome to AmeriKKKa.
The system *IS* rigged by the Electoral College, which tosses democracy in the shitter.
OTOH "the system" is *NOT* rigged because there is no such thing as "the system". There are thousands of systems, for every state, county, parish and borough. In some states the primaries and caucuses are private affairs, not public-ballot events, thus multiplying systems even more. All these disparate systems have their own ways of casting and counting votes. Uniformity does not exist. "The system" does not exist. USA elections operate in failure mode.
The system *IS* rigged, by gerrymandering and voter suppression. In some states a party gets 40% of votes and takes 60% of legislative seats. In some states, large numbers of eligible citizens are disenfranchised. GOPs know they can't win free and fair elections where everyone votes so they impose structural blocks. Welcome to AmeriKKKa.
The system *IS* rigged by the Electoral College, which tosses democracy in the shitter.
OTOH "the system" is *NOT* rigged because there is no such thing as "the system". There are thousands of systems, for every state, county, parish and borough. In some states the primaries and caucuses are private affairs, not public-ballot events, thus multiplying systems even more. All these disparate systems have their own ways of casting and counting votes. Uniformity does not exist. "The system" does not exist. USA elections operate in failure mode.
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Neither party is inclined to change the electoral college system, since both sides win on occasion.
Al Gore won the popular vote over George Bush in 2000, but lost the electoral vote. At the time, that hadn't happened for 112 years. Now it has happened again, and again it's a Republican that the system favors.
Al Gore won the popular vote over George Bush in 2000, but lost the electoral vote. At the time, that hadn't happened for 112 years. Now it has happened again, and again it's a Republican that the system favors.
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Those fuckers in Ohio did it again, someone check the voting machines in Ohio!
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Gerrymandering is done by whatever political party is in control of a state legislature following a census. In CA and NY, it's done by the Dems. In other states it's done by the GOP. Do you have any current examples of voter suppression?
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Jesus, suck it up pumpkin. why don't you do some research and see who had more votes, Romney or Obama ...
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In California it's done by a non-partisan group.
You could have googled it yourself. Try this: New Voting Restrictions in Place for 2016 Presidential Election.
In a democracy, everyone over legal age is allowed or required to vote. In USA, many are prevented. Our voting systems are broken. Think, "banana republic."
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Ooh Toucheee. I don't give a toss who won over there. You guys are the ones who have to live with it. I just find it interesting that you take a vote that should be so simple and make something that is incredibly complicated and distorts the will of the people.
Hells Bells it could be worse. In Britain, you can get a thumping majority with only 34% of the vote. The thing is, our system was there for you guys to look at and say "we gotta do a hell of a lot better than that."
And are not cast. What's your point?
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You're an idiot.
But to answer the thread's title question... yes it is rigged.
America and the world is controlled by Zionists!
It's not supposed to be, democracies are evil and the Founders knew that.I can't fathom this system at all, how is it democratic?
Nigger!
Eat shit you whiny cunt!
Good thing the Founders were smarter and more moral than you! Because they did not create a democracy, they created a republic made of 13 sovereign countries.
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Boxlicker101
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Those are not restrictions. They are requirements, as are being citizens and being at least a certain age, but anybody can meet those requirements. The idea is to reduce voting fraud, and that is a worthwhile goal.
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That's a contradictory and dumb statement.
That's a "didn't bother to do any research" statement. The adjustments to the electoral college vote distributions across the states are automatic, set by the last general census (which was 2010). They are weighted to small-population states because there are two electoral votes (representing the state's two U.S. senators) off the top, given originally because the small states wouldn't have joined the union without them. New York and Virginia would have controlled everything between them. That weighting isn't really needed anymore, but fat chance the Republican will agree to electoral college reform in the wake of the current system having given them the White House.
I can't fathom this system at all, how is it democratic?
Yes, that certainly came across in your post.
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Voting fraud at polls is minuscule. Election fraud before and after voting predominates. States requiring ID should issue free IDs to all citizens and ensure that they're registered, else they're discriminating on those without easy access to registration facilities. The 'requirements' you mention are inordinate burdens on non-GOPs, as has been shown in numerous court cases.
Are you carrying your papers now? If you're pulled over tomorrow, can you prove you shouldn't be deported?
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http://www.historycentral.com/elections/Electoralcollgewhy.html
It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief.
Hamilton and the other founders believed that the electors would be able to insure that only a qualified person becomes President. They believed that with the Electoral College no one would be able to manipulate the citizenry. It would act as check on an electorate that might be duped. Hamilton and the other founders did not trust the population to make the right choice. The founders also believed that the Electoral College had the advantage of being a group that met only once and thus could not be manipulated over time by foreign governments or others.
*Oopsy LOL*
The electoral college is also part of compromises made at the convention to satisfy the small states. Under the system of the Electoral College each state had the same number of electoral votes as they have representative in Congress, thus no state could have less then 3. The result of this system is that in this election the state of Wyoming cast about 210,000 votes, and thus each elector represented 70,000 votes, while in California approximately 9,700,000 votes were cast for 54 votes, thus representing 179,000 votes per electorate. Obviously this creates an unfair advantage to voters in the small states whose votes actually count more then those people living in medium and large states.
*And not likely to change*
It was equally desirable, that the immediate election should be made by men most capable of analyzing the qualities adapted to the station, and acting under circumstances favorable to deliberation, and to a judicious combination of all the reasons and inducements which were proper to govern their choice. A small number of persons, selected by their fellow-citizens from the general mass, will be most likely to possess the information and discernment requisite to such complicated investigations. It was also peculiarly desirable to afford as little opportunity as possible to tumult and disorder. This evil was not least to be dreaded in the election of a magistrate, who was to have so important an agency in the administration of the government as the President of the United States. But the precautions which have been so happily concerted in the system under consideration, promise an effectual security against this mischief.
Hamilton and the other founders believed that the electors would be able to insure that only a qualified person becomes President. They believed that with the Electoral College no one would be able to manipulate the citizenry. It would act as check on an electorate that might be duped. Hamilton and the other founders did not trust the population to make the right choice. The founders also believed that the Electoral College had the advantage of being a group that met only once and thus could not be manipulated over time by foreign governments or others.
*Oopsy LOL*
The electoral college is also part of compromises made at the convention to satisfy the small states. Under the system of the Electoral College each state had the same number of electoral votes as they have representative in Congress, thus no state could have less then 3. The result of this system is that in this election the state of Wyoming cast about 210,000 votes, and thus each elector represented 70,000 votes, while in California approximately 9,700,000 votes were cast for 54 votes, thus representing 179,000 votes per electorate. Obviously this creates an unfair advantage to voters in the small states whose votes actually count more then those people living in medium and large states.
*And not likely to change*
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You could say the same thing about Congress. Each state, regardless of population has two senators and at least one rep.
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Greg Plast says those fuckers in Ohio were jiggering the results and this is how they did it.
"Cross Check" is a program where the Sec State runs every voters name through a check to see if the voter voted in another state. If so then both voters are stricken from the roles. It makes it hard when they run Julius Washington, Jim Brown and Maria Hernandes, etc thru the mills.
Also the Sec State of Ohio said to make it fair, only one polling place per county, which meant the lines in the Urban areas were miles long and a lot of people couldn't stand in the line for five fucking hours!
And they turned off the security checks builtin to the software of their paperless voting machines.
Most of the key swing states are part of the Cross Check system.
Most have Republican Sec States. Fixed enough?
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I believe very little of what is being said. There are hundreds, even thousands of people with some names, such as Jim Brown, and I can't believe the S of S would zap all of them without some further investigation, such as cross checking birthdates or Social Security numbers.
I also don't believe there would be only one polling place in a large county such as Hamilton. Possibly there might be only one polling place for early voting, which would be a completely different set of circumstances. On November 8 there would have been hundreds of places available.
They certainly should have some kind of security checks on paperless machines but, if they don't, everybody has an equal chance to steal votes.
And I don't believe OH is as bad as big cities, such as Philadelphia or Chicago.
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I know you won't believe that this is happening Box, but Reality Sucks bigly!
So you believe if everybody can steal votes, then we have nothing to worry about?
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Hey Box, if this is all true.. and can be proved THEN what do you think?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5LF0830IYMU
Screaming "Rigged" was genius. Using the same complaints that Dems have had about voting machines (Diebold... ?? genius)
Turning off the fraud detection??? Genius
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5LF0830IYMU
Screaming "Rigged" was genius. Using the same complaints that Dems have had about voting machines (Diebold... ?? genius)
Turning off the fraud detection??? Genius
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Prove it and I will let you know.
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hey, did any of you obama slaves move to Canada yet?
