Does anyone still think 2020 was rigged against Trump?

[Politruk]

Once again: In some countries elections are rigged.

But elections are never rigged against the incumbent.

Because you need to be the incumbent to do the rigging.

Everybody got that?

 

[dmallord]

LOL. Chloe swallows the bait.

Of course it was rigged. The statistical improbabilities are just unreal. Not to mention all the other evidence, and of course it was never really investigated.

Are you talking about Trump's McDonalds attempt to cook fries? Of course it was rigged. The place was closed that day for the pretend political commercial. It was so un-newsworthy that of course it was never really investigated.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Are you talking about Trump's McDonalds attempt to cook fries? Of course it was rigged. The place was closed that day for the pretend political commercial. It was so un-newsworthy that of course it was never really investigated.

It was a masterful troll, and brilliantly done. So good that the MSM knew they were on the losing end of that one and they stfu. LOL

 

[dmallord]

NOBODY, deep down, really believes the lies about Trump. Deep down, everyone knows the truth- Trump is a great guy and an awesome President. However, they cannot ADMIT it. Even to themselves.

Your irony, expressed through your humorous backhanded compliment, is quite impressive. Trump is known for bad form by even his associates.

 

[dmallord]

It was a masterful troll, and brilliantly done. So good that the MSM knew they were on the losing end of that one and they stfu. LOL

I laughed, too. However, I thought it was foolish and a waste of time when he could have stood on stage and led another YMCA exercise session. He could have got some fat Republicans up and moving in pursuit of a better Arnold Palmer swing. [Remember Jack Lalanne's physical fitness TV shows?]

 

[Justplainjeff]

Apart from voter fraud -- legally ineligible voters voting (which does not happen) -- the only kind of election fraud possible is ballot-box stuffing -- dishonest counting of votes.

Obviously, you can't pull that off without help inside the elections office.

And to get that, you need the power of an incumbent.

In countries where elections are rigged, they are never rigged against the incumbent.

So why did anybody ever think it possible that the 2020 election was rigged against Trump?

The election was NOT rigged. Trump's big mouth cost him the election. And its going to again, this year.

 

[ChloeTzang]

The election was NOT rigged. Trump's big mouth cost him the election. And its going to again, this year.

Nah. It was rigged. They're trying again, but it won't be enough this time, and if they try to hard the shooting will start earlier rather than later.

 

[Politruk]

Nah. It was rigged.

No election is ever rigged against the incumbent. It can't be done.

And, no, there is no anti-Trump "Deep "State" that could do it.

 

[YDB95]

Nah. It was rigged. They're trying again, but it won't be enough this time, and if they try to hard the shooting will start earlier rather than later.

Your ability to project truly knows no bounds.

 

[ChloeTzang]

No election is ever rigged against the incumbent. It can't be done.

Keep telling yourself that. But cut down on that stuff, it'll kill you if you smoke too much.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Your ability to project truly knows no bounds.

Thank you

 

[Politruk]

Nah. It was rigged.

HOW?! What was done to rig it, that 60+ lawsuits by Trump failed to turn up any shred of proof of?!

 

[YDB95]

HOW?! What was done to rig it, that 60+ lawsuits by Trump failed to turn up any shred of proof of?!

"She" undoubtedly believes the "proof" is that Biden couldn't possibly have won when everyone "she" knows and respects hated his guts and loved Trump.

 

[SmokingFap]

Nah. It was rigged. They're trying again, but it won't be enough this time, and if they try to hard the shooting will start earlier rather than later.

Bring it on.

 

[Bray123]

Trump claimed that there were thousands of dead people who had voted in Georgia, in fact there were two.

Not two thousand, just two. And we don't know which way those votes were cast (but we can guess).

He lies, because people believe him from a default position. Even when it's proved that he has lied, people still believe him because he then says, 'Fake News'. His entire schtick has been to destroy people's assumption that the Constitution is sound, that voting is reliable, that the difference between Dems and Reps is between center-right policies and firmly-right policies.

He is totally dedicated to launching a proper civil war in 2025, the groundwork has been done and his cult is already convinced that the last election was stolen, the next election will be stolen (if he loses), and that anyone who disputes that is a Marxist who should be shot.

How many here will answer his call to arms following the election?

 

[Politruk]

and if they try to hard the shooting will start earlier rather than later.

At a time when Biden is still CinC of the armed forces. That is NOT a fight you can win.

 

[PaxNurgle]

Nah. It was rigged. They're trying again, but it won't be enough this time, and if they try to hard the shooting will start earlier rather than later.

IT was likely rigged IN TRUMP'S FAVOR, and he still lost.

Keep in mind that, although they thoroughly investigated claims of fraud in the states that he narrowly lost (and REPEATEDLY found no evidence of fraud) they never investigated the states that he won- like Utah, South Dakota and Kansas. I am almost certain there were shenanigans carried out there on his behalf, and that Biden rightfully won those states. However, since it was never investigated, it cannot be proven.

But to claim that Trump rightfully won in 2020 is beyond laughably absurd. They have already debunked this multiple times. To claim otherwise is just utterly childish and stupid.

 

[PaxNurgle]

"She" undoubtedly believes the "proof" is that Biden couldn't possibly have won when everyone "she" knows and respects hated his guts and loved Trump.

Again, deep down he does not truely believe it. He simply isn't mature enough to admit the truth.

 

[Politruk]

Again, deep down he does not truely believe it. He simply isn't mature enough to admit the truth.

There's a lot of that going around lately, almost all of it on the Pub side.

 

[Politruk]

Are you talking about Trump's McDonalds attempt to cook fries?

As I recall, he couldn't cook fries.

 

[cabin_swinger]

Says the W Admin, who fired several U.S. Attorneys for failing to find any evidence of voter fraud.

having liberal prosecutors refusing to bring cases and liberal judges refusing to hear cases is not lack of evidence. the only proves the use of lawfare. why were they so scared to hear the cases in court?

 

[Politruk]

having liberal prosecutors refusing to bring cases

These USAs were W appointees. They were not liberals.

 

[cabin_swinger]

These USAs were W appointees. They were not liberals.

BS

 

[Politruk]

BS

Who would you expect W to appoint?

 

[Politruk]

See here.

Election denial conspiracy theories (and why they were stupid)[edit]​

See the main article on this topic: Voter fraud

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[TD]“”If there was evidence of fraud, I had no motive to suppress it. But my suspicion all the way along was that there was nothing there. It was all bullshit.[/TD]
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[TD]—Bill Barr, Trump's Attorney General from 2019-December 2020[248][/TD]
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Before and after his loss,[249][250] Donald Trump claimed the 2020 election was rigged against him. He largely pushed this objectively false,[251] conspiracy theory by rage and despair tweeting on Twitter.[252][253][254]

Many of the false claims were initially propagated by Russell J. Ramsland Jr. with his company Allied Security Operations Group. Ramsland tried unsuccessfully to push similar false claims in 2018, but at that time no candidate took his bait.[255] In 2020, the false claims were incorporated into failed lawsuits by Trump lawyer Sidney Powell, and by Trump surrogates (Louie Gohmert and Rudy Giuliani).[255]

Some of the most popular fraud claims included:

"Dead people voted!"[edit]​

Trump supporters across the country alleged that states received and processed votes from dead people, claiming that this was ironclad proof of either widespread voter fraud or an impending zombie outbreak.[256][257] In reality, those Trump supporters just had a bad case of the stupids. The supposed "dead voters" were either found alive or were confirmed to be dead people who had remained in their graves as expected.[257][258]

State election officials regularly check death records, make note of obituaries, and coordinate with motor vehicle departments to track canceled driver’s licenses all to make sure that dead people don't vote.[259] Quite a lot of work goes into this process. If a dead person is accidentally sent a mail ballot, and then it gets sent back, safeguards such as signature verifications are employed during the processing of mail ballots.[259]

Quite a few people made clowns of themselves due to this false claim. Tucker Carlson of Fox News had to apologize on-air to a 96 year-old woman for accusing her of voting for her dead husband.[260] The Trump campaign, after investing a great deal of money and effort, hilariously produced a report in 2023 disproving claims that dead people voted.[261]

"Poll challengers were not allowed to watch ballot counts!"[edit]​

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[TD]“”This claim, like Frankenstein's Monster, has been haphazardly stitched together...[/TD]
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[TD]—Judge William Brann, Donald J. Trump for President v. Boockvar.[262][/TD]
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Elections allow a certain number of challengers into counting areas to watch ballot counters. In Detroit, for example, MAGA supporters claimed they were being denied their right to watch the count. In reality, they were kept out because the number of challengers (Democrat and Republican alike) had already been met and those individuals were already inside the building.[263][264]

This claim also made it to federal court when Trump's legal team filed a lawsuit against Pennsylvania Secretary of State Kathy Boockvar and the boards of elections of six counties claiming that their observers were unable to stand close enough to watch workers count mail and absentee ballots.[265] The nonsensical 86-page brief primarily cited unverified news and social media reports, and the case was laughed out of court (and then the appeals court) not even a month later.[265]

"Votes were deleted!"[edit]​

Donny used Twitter to claim that Dominion Voting Systemshttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png deleted 2.7 million votes.[266] The U.S. Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISAhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png) and the National Association of State Election Directors (NASEDhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Wikipedia%27s_W.svg/12px-Wikipedia%27s_W.svg.png) refuted that claim.[267] According to a statement from those organizations, "there is no evidence that any voting system deleted or lost votes, changed votes, or was in any way compromised".[268] The Washington Post examined this claim by reviewing voter data in 10 key swing states, comparing the vote count of counties that used Dominion machines with the vote count of counties that did not. The results were similar: Trump won 81% counties that used Dominion (compared to 79% of those that did not), and Biden won approximately 51% of the votes in counties that used Dominion, compared to a little over 50% in counties that did not. Nothing in these numbers suggests that any fraud took place.[269]

Fox News also had a role in amplifying false claims about Dominion Voting Systems, and the company sued them for defamation in March 2021, seeking $1.6 billion.[270] The ensuing legal proceedings exposed embarrassing internal exchanges showing that various network hosts like Tucker Carlson and Laura Ingraham privately disbelieved the claims and disparaged Trump's lawyers as being "complete nut".[271] In 2023, the network settled with Dominion for $787.5 million.[272]

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