Is The Draft Coming Back?

[kelley_and_tracy]

Holy fuck, how did this thread get 90 replies?

Of course the draft isn't coming back. Stupidheads.

Draft? Beer? I thought it was a thread to fly LT out of the country. My bad.

 

[MWG]

Holy fuck, how did this thread get 90 replies?

Of course the draft isn't coming back. Stupidheads.

The same reason ANY thread LT posts in gets that many replies - he says something stupid, and the next several pages are pretty much the entire Lit population telling him what a dumbfuck he is.

 

[Morcheeba]

BZZT. Wrong. I don't want anyone being drafted against their will.


I said everyone should have a choice. Are you pro-choice or anti-choice?

I find it ironic that you, a Libertarian, are now all about using force to compel someone to do something.


And the fucking knuckle dragging armpit scratching he-man dick waving mongoloid dumbass fell for the stinkybait.

His address was exactly what I wanted, and exactly what I got. As you can see in my .sig, the damage being done to him far exceeds the bullshit you or he are spewing onto the computer screen. He just took it to real life, and it's all going his way, and not in any way by my hands. Silly boy. I doubt the Lit rules forbid me from doing this, because it was him who posted his own address, and I'm not calling for anyone to do anything about it.


Sneaky? Yup. Underhanded? Yup.

To munge a Bruce Campbell quote something fierce: Good? Bad? I'm the one who made him post his home address.

I am doing this with the specific intent to offend and absolutely inflame and enrage anyone who has no problem with his challenge to take this into real life. The more you whine about it the more I'm gonna laugh. Hard.


Irrelevant. You are safe from the draft.
And I'm calling your character into question on the grounds that I don't buy your big bad talk about how you would enlist. Actions speak louder than words.


And if my vote means anything I will vote to ensure no one ever is drafted again.

As I've said twice before. If this country is in real danger I'll be signed up myself. But I'll be god damned if you or anyone else is ever going to force me to invade someone else's soil and dick around there the way Bush is now.


I respond to her by saying that military service should be a choice and not forced on people. I'm amazed that you Looneytarians don't see the logic there, since you're always talking about "force" and choice and bullshit.


WARBRIDE was stupid to post his address. And I wanted him to post it so I could parade his chest banging stupidity for all the world to see.

Damn skippy. Now do something about it. But you can't. So kiss my ass.



This THREAD was started by someone who was QUESTIONING the draft, dumbfuck.

It is quite relevant for someone to state opposition to the draft AND also say that service should remain voluntary.

Or did you miss the point when NonSexWithHer said "Grinders need meat"?


I'm saying that the way Bush is doing things he's creating a shortage because of an unnecessary war we need not keep on fighting, and I'll be god damned if any of you goons are ever going to force me onto that battlefield. Period.

If this country is itself in danger then I will fight. But not otherwise.


If there's a draft we're all hauling ass. I'm not for men or women being drafted. The sexism of the draft is just additional rocks onto the camel's broken back.

You really are quite the anti-choice advocate today, aren't you?

PS: the .sig still stands. Let this serve as a warning to anyone trying to take disputes with me into real life.

Holy Gazuntite! Look at the words steaming out from this pussy!

LT, know when to fold 'em.

The more you keep going on about this shit the more you seem downright pathetic for wanting to instill some sort of semblance of reason on your part in fighting the draft that will not take place.

You're 32-years-old posting a million words a day on a Porn Board while REAL men and women fight for your freedom and ability to do so.

Think about that for a minute before you go any further.

 

[The Plunger]

LT must be a chickenhawk, he wants police officers to go out and fight crime but he won't sign up for the force himself. See how easy that works?

 

[Problem Child]

The same reason ANY thread LT posts in gets that many replies - he says something stupid, and the next several pages are pretty much the entire Lit population telling him what a dumbfuck he is.

LT is lovingtongue...ok.

For a minute there I thought Lawrence Taylor had joined up.

 

[MWG]

LT must be a chickenhawk, he wants police officers to go out and fight crime but he won't sign up for the force himself. See how easy that works?

It's not the same thing. People are DRAFTED during WAR because they're needed. Your analogy would only apply in the event that we were talking about SELECTIVELY signing up for the military. The draft ISN'T elective.

A better example would be that there's a fire right next to, or IN your building - you expect the firemen to save you and help you, but you won't even try to help them in their efforts. Basically, you're just dead weight. Sorry, but if the heat was imminently on ME and my family, you're damned right I would do whatever I could to help out. He says he wouldn't.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

LT, know when to fold 'em.

But I like making fascist piggies like you squeal.

And now I've gotten a piggie to post his home address in an attempt to take this into real life.

The more you keep going on about this shit the more you seem downright pathetic

And I don't care if the entire Lit board has a problem with me saying I would fight the draft.

Most Americans don't even support the draft. Not even your Congressmen had the guts to serve, and you vote for the dumbfucks.

Haven't you learned you cannot intimidate me and that my resolve is completely unbreakable?

Now I'm taking it up a notch by slapping WARBRIDE around. It's only going to get uglier.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

I'm willing to bet a pound to a pinch of pig shit that Warmachine's home address is as real as MWG's ambition to sign up.

But that would mean he's a coward, right?

 

[The Plunger]

It's not the same thing. People are DRAFTED during WAR because they're needed. Your analogy would only apply in the event that we were talking about SELECTIVELY signing up for the military. The draft ISN'T elective.

Wake up MWG, he was specifically indicating that anyone not in the military shouldn't advocate sending troops to war. And I correctly pointed out that the same logic applies to anyone who wants police officers to go fight crime, yet are not a member of the force themselves. Thanks for the sermon though.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Here's a list of Congresspeople and other warhawks who are all too eager to send people off to war and yet have never served in the military:

The Chickenhawk Database

Take note of the more prominent figures in there:

William Kristol
Charles Krauthammer
Antonin Scalia

George W Bush Jr. (he even turned down service in the National Guard)
John Ashcroft
Vice Prez Dick Cheney

To be fair, I'm leaving out Donald Rumsfeld since he did actually serve.. although it was after Vietnam.

w00p.

I wonder exactly how many of your leaders and blowhard warhawks went so far as to get exemptions from the Draft .. exemptions that probably aren't around anymore, now that they're too old or too powerful to be drafted?

 

[8ball]

LT, I haven't really thought this until this thread, and until you posted that address in your sig, but, you are a dolt.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

LT, I haven't really thought this until this thread, and until you posted that address in your sig, but, you are a dolt.

So what? As long as you see this .sig and it encourages you to avoid taking online disputes into real life the way WARBRIDE did, this .sig is doing its job.

No one will ever do that to me again.

 

[bra_man69]

hey lovingtongue that is a true place in plano but i do not think someone would live in a kroger store

 

[Ham Murabi]

Here's a list of Congresspeople and other warhawks who are all too eager to send people off to war and yet have never served in the military:

The Chickenhawk Database

Take note of the more prominent figures in there:

William Kristol
Charles Krauthammer
Antonin Scalia

George W Bush Jr. (he even turned down service in the National Guard)
John Ashcroft
Vice Prez Dick Cheney

To be fair, I'm leaving out Donald Rumsfeld since he did actually serve.. although it was after Vietnam.

w00p.

I wonder exactly how many of your leaders and blowhard warhawks went so far as to get exemptions from the Draft .. exemptions that probably aren't around anymore, now that they're too old or too powerful to be drafted?

Bush turned down service in the National Guard, eh? So why was he in uniform and taking off and landing fighters on aircraft carriers?
Charles Krauthammer is confined to a wheelchair.
I claim no expertise, but isn't it entirely possible many of the people listed here were never drafted? My number was 319 or 320, and they were only drafting up to 130 or so the year I could have been selected.
This is a thread about the draft, isn't it?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

hey lovingtongue that is a true place in plano but i do not think someone would live in a kroger store

LOL you looked up the address? It figures that WARBRIDE is not only a fascist pig, he's also a coward. Perhaps he lives in a box outside?

I guess it would be pointless to offer to meet him in a public place, wouldn't it?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Bush turned down service in the National Guard, eh? So why was he in uniform and taking off and landing fighters on aircraft carriers?
Charles Krauthammer is confined to a wheelchair.
I claim no expertise, but isn't it entirely possible many of the people listed here were never drafted? My number was 319 or 320, and they were only drafting up to 130 or so the year I could have been selected.

Well, I take that back.. He actually shortcut his way through the National Guard. Skipped OCS. The plane he learned to fly was the out-of-service F-102. He didn't show up for duty for a year (no penalties). He finally left service 10 months early to go to business school. Riddle me this: at which point in that list would any normal person have been courtmartialled?
John Ashcroft ]totally wimped out. So did quite a few other "war hawks".

This is a thread about the draft, isn't it?

Yup. And for opposing the draft I've been threatened and challenged to a confrontation in person.

 

[Ham Murabi]

Well, I take that back.. He actually shortcut his way through the National Guard. Skipped OCS. The plane he learned to fly was the out-of-service F-102. He didn't show up for duty for a year (no penalties). He finally left service 10 months early to go to business school. Riddle me this: at which point in that list would any normal person have been courtmartialled?
John Ashcroft ]totally wimped out. So did quite a few other "war hawks".


Yup. And for opposing the draft I've been threatened and challenged to a confrontation in person.

Normal person? I guess it depends on your age. I know a lot of people who completely got out of the service for any number of reasons that weren't plausible in any way. None of those people had any political pull at all. Nor did any of them face court martial.
Many, in fact, neglected to sign up for the draft until they knew they had a number that wouldn't be reached in that year's quota. Others didn't register at all.
When I turned 18 I went with a friend to the draft registration office, which was 45 miles away, about two months later than we both should have. It didn't matter (in my mind), because we were still in high school, but no one said a word to us about registering late.

 

[lovechild27]

Hey Lt...you DONT HAVE TO REGISTER WHEN YOU TURN 18!

That is a choice. I have known guys who decided not to. Will they get social security, student aid and other things from the government? No. But they DO Have a choice. Dont want to get drafted move to another damn country I'd bet you would just LOVE India. Or maybe Hong Kong. Or Malaysia. Or a place like Rwanda. No one will make you fight there for your freedom.

Our country was built on the blood of people who cared enough to stand up for our rights. Women havent faught in wars due to the fact that its only been in very recent times we went to work and stopped being Susie home makers.

I think LT needs to be boxed up and sent some where else. He obviously doesnt appreciate what millions of people have died for. I am all for his deportation

And his sig line is so stupid. What the hell are you...12 years old? You are taking this shit WAYYYYY to seriously. Chill the hell out already. You keep talking and you sound more and more moronic every damn word you type.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Hey Lt...you DONT HAVE TO REGISTER WHEN YOU TURN 18!

That is a choice. I have known guys who decided not to. Will they get social security, student aid and other things from the government? No. But they DO Have a choice.

That's no choice. I pay taxes for it and wouldn't get the benefits.

I think LT needs to be boxed up and sent some where else. He obviously doesnt appreciate what millions of people have died for. I am all for his deportation

Oh yeah? Who's gonna have the balls to do it? You? WARBRIDE certainly doesn't have the stones to try it.

And his sig line is so stupid. What the hell are you...12 years old? You are taking this shit WAYYYYY to seriously. Chill the hell out already. You keep talking and you sound more and more moronic every damn word you type.

Fuck off. Fuck you and anyone else who thinks I should be shipped out of this country. Especially WARBRIDE and his threats. I'm keeping this sig just to piss off you draft-loving retards.

Don't like it? Move to Iran or some other dictatorship where freedom of speech and choice are nonexistent.

If I could meet each and every person on the entire GB who thinks I'm wrong for opposing the draft and tell them to their face what I think, I'd do it. In fact, WARBRIDE asked me for my home address, the dumbass.. so I'm offering to meet his cowardly ass in a public place to tell him how I feel.

How about that?

 

[MechaBlade]

Finally caught up and Jesus fucking Christ. All you guys are teaming up against LovingTongue because he doesn't want to die in vain for a stupid cause? Fuckmangellio, the intellectuals must all be asleep.

LT, much props to you for sticking to your guns and not cowering out when a bunch of Literoticans started badgering you for no good reason. You should have kids if for no other reason than to lower the percentage of idiots in this country.

WARMACHINE, I was going to say that you were an idiot for posting your address on the Internet just so you could get the upper hand in a pissing contest, but it turns out you posted a fake address. So I'm not sure whether to call you a coward or an asshole.

And all the draft encouragers: Plenty of people have died "for the country" and done not a goddamn thing for the country. If another Vietnam happened, or they even started drafting for the current conflict in Iraq, I would dodge it too. Killing Iraqis won't preserve our freedom. It only pisses other countries off. Which, in the long run, may be the very downfall of this country.

As for the actual point of this thread: Is the draft coming back? I can't say for sure, but: doubtful.

 

[MWG]

And all the draft encouragers: Plenty of people have died "for the country" and done not a goddamn thing for the country. If another Vietnam happened, or they even started drafting for the current conflict in Iraq, I would dodge it too. Killing Iraqis won't preserve our freedom. It only pisses other countries off. Which, in the long run, may be the very downfall of this country.

How do you determine "another Viet Nam"? How do you omnisciently point out which wars are "worthy" to die in for the sake of our country and which ones are just "another Viet Nam"? For all that we can criticise our leaders for not having all-knowing perception about the threat level of a certain country, you or any other average joe doesn't know any better, either. All you can do is sitting around debating coffee table politics. Sure, it came out in the wash that, say, intelligence documents on Iraq were forged or falsified and the threat that Iraq posed with their "weapons of mass destruction" was bullshit... and they didn't reinstitute the draft in this war, did they? They haven't drafted anyone SINCE Viet Nam. OBVIOUSLY, common sense tells us that for THIS particular conflict (very small compared to, say, WWII) doesn't call for more manpower than we currently HAVE. If there WERE a conflict in which more manpower was required than that which we have in voluntary servicemen, you don't think it would be on a large enough scale to where it was pretty fucking serious?

Give me a break. I've known the gov't to shoot itself in the foot a few times, but unless EXTREMELY damned necessary, it's not going to commit such political suicide that would come with reinstituting the draft.

No one LIKES the draft. That's like saying someone likes a root canal or triple bypass heart surgery. But fuck if it wouldn't be necessary one of these days, especially IF one of those pissed off nations decided to TRY to invade, or become a very imminent threat. I don't pretend to know, enough to cherry pick, which wars are "worthy" of my compliance with the draft and which aren't.

My significant other has done some pretty stupid stuff before, as have I, and we've had more than a few rough patches and times were things weren't so good. I can assure you, if I tucked tail and ran when he needed me during a bad time, and only stuck around during the good times... well, I wouldn't have a relationship. I'm damned sure not going so far as to do the whole "love it or leave it" jeer... but for fuck's sake, TRY to have some pride in your own country. I've learned that it takes a little pride FIRST in order to want to see any change, not the other way around. Things aren't going to be any different if everyone expects better gov't and a complete 180 FIRST, before they decide to take any pride in America. The pride has to come first; pride in something is what makes people want to make it great, and what makes people WANT to see and be a part of the solutions, not the problems. The country is ENTIRELY what the people make of it. If we've got nothing but a nation of folks who turn yellow and high-tail it out at the first sign that that nation NEEDS them... there isn't and never WILL be any hope. If you're willing to throw your hands up and let whatever just HAPPEN, then I'd say you've got a lot of damned gumption bitching about which president is in office, or which gov't official did this or that. If you don't even have enough pride to support your country in the time when it needs you most, then why do you care? Is the country here ONLY to SERVE you? What the hell do you ever plan to give back in return? Your dead corpse once you die peacefully, sound asleep in your bed after 80 years?

You know I respect you and all, Mech, but I guess this is one point where we definitely disagree. I don't like the draft any more than the next guy - but I'm willing to trust that if they needed to involuntarily call upon me, there must be a damned good reason. And I'm not in any better position to decide "how worthy" that reason is than they are. If it ends up being my time to die, then I most certainly won't do so with any shame about it. At least being willing to DO something rather than just sit and talk about it is something they can write on my epitaph.

 

[SleepingWarrior]

Hmmmm I always thought that by signing up for the draft and getting your little card meant that you agreed to serve for our military if you were called into service?? And furthermore by continuing to live in this country you agree to live under its rules and laws...

So if the draft comes back (which it won't) and you have done or are doing the above you damn well better serve if drafted. If you decide not to you better fucking get out of this country and STAY OUT.

Oh and LT.... you don't have to worry too much about being drafted anyway you chickenshit. Unless they run out of those who are 25 or under you won't get drafted. Also the cut off age is around 35 I believe. So now you can stop pissing down your leg while worrying about being drafted.

 

[lovechild27]

If I had the money and time LT Id gladly round up all the assholes like you and send them far far away.

But I guess all I can ask for is that a bus hit you and maybe damage the vital parts of your brain pertaining to speech and render you mute.


Did I ever say I love the draft? Fuck no. But running from it like a damn sissy is just pathetic. If they did draft women and I had to go I would stand up and gladly take my place. Sure I may die. I rather die fighting than live in hiding.

I should move? PLease. Those of us who are defending the draft are not just standing up for those who have been sent to war. We are standing up for those who HAVE made a difference...for those who fought to make this country what it is. We are standing up for people defending our freedom. We love our country...you obivously dont give a shit. And not registering IS in fact a choice. Every choice has consequences. Not registering is one of them. You just want to live here and ride on the coat tails of everyone else....it isnt going to happen.

Your sig line doesnt piss me off. In fact it makes me laugh really really fuckin hard. Its one thing to defend your opinion. But your making a total ass of yourself. You sound so damn ignorant.



I really doubt warbride would want to bother with a stupid fuck like you. Why the hell would he post his address on a public forum? I cant believe you thought it was his actual address. Not that your a danger to anyone but lord knows who the hell could come knocking on his door. Its really nothing but a waste of time. Your immature, beligerant... I have an idea though. How bout you go visit some veterans...go tell them your opinions if your so gung ho about this subject. You go see the people who have fought to keep you free and TELL THEM how you feel. Id like to see what you would have to say after some soldiers from Desert Storm or the men and women who have recently came back from the middle east got to you. Although Im sure there would be nothing left.

 

[Trakel]

If I had the money and time LT Id gladly round up all the assholes like you and send them far far away.

I already tried that under my other nick. I have the money and need another write off.

 

[lovechild27]

I have the money and need another write off

Ill just go round me up some army boys and we can get this thing rollin then