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He and his ilk can't understand that the sites crashed because of technology, not because of it's "failure."
He and his ilk can't understand that the sites crashed because of technology, not because of it's "failure."
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Chicago Tribune Tears into Obamacare, Calls for Delay
The Chicago Tribune offers a blistering critique of Obamacare, calling for delay and massive overhaul.
Only the NIGGER PROOF READER doesn't know the house is collapsing
As predicted, the reality of Obamacare is ripping even its most staunch supporters’ narratives to pieces. Like the New York Times Sunday, the Chicago Tribune has now turned on the president’s signature achievement.
Monday’s editorial begins by expressing sympathy to those who have tried to sign up for the “problem-plagued” exchanges, presenting a devastating personal account as proof:
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If you've tried to sign up online for health coverage under the problem-plagued Obamacare exchange, our sympathies. Many people have tried to create accounts and shop for insurance under the new law. Few have succeeded. Those that have enrolled have found that the system is prone to mistakes. Some applications have been sent to the wrong insurance company.
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Wait. It gets worse. Those who have managed to browse the marketplace have often been hit by sticker shock. Take Adam Weldzius, a nurse practitioner and single father from Carpentersville. He sought the same level of coverage on the exchange as he and his 7-year-old daughter have now, with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals. At best, Weldzius found, his monthly premium of $233 would more than double. If he chose a plan priced at the same level, the annual deductible would be $12,700, more than three times his current $3,500 deductible.
A more than doubled premium and tripled deductible—reality continues to shred apart the rhetoric. After the Weldzius testimonial, the article makes a similar statement to the NYT’s piece about just how deep the problems go for the online exchanges, highlighting the president’s bumbling disclaimer in the process:
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Last spring, President Barack Obama said "there will still be, you know, glitches and bumps" in the rollout of the new system. But what we're seeing now is no glitch or bump. There is a growing mountain of evidence that Obamacare has fundamental problems in design and implementation.
The piece summarizes some of this “mountain of evidence” and the administration’s bungled rollout, citing Illinois’ “whopping annual deductibles,” the administration’s politically motivated rushed launch of the program, and the “sloppy design of the architecture” of the system.
Then the article turns its attention to the failures the program’s “cheerleader” Kathleen Sebelius:
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The Department of Health and Human Services under chief Obamacare cheerleader Kathleen Sebelius has had three years to develop this system. It has busted deadline after deadline, all the while promising that the system would be ready on Oct. 1. It has overpromised and underdelivered.
But the piece does not just rip Sebelius, it also directly calls out Obama’s infamous false claim:
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People who have individual insurance coverage are finding that Obama's oft-repeated promise — "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan" — is just not true.
Ultimately the editorial agrees with many Republicans, arguing for a one year delay and massive overhaul of the beleaguered program:
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A delay in the individual mandate would not be a special favor to American consumers. It's a matter of fairness.
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A one-year hiatus would give everyone a chance to take a hard look at the pricing of these plans, to see if consumers could get more affordable options without sacrificing coverage ...
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The deeper problems of cost and coverage in Obamacare are going to require an admission by the administration that this government management of the health care market is extraordinarily complicated and will be very costly for many people. The law has to change.
The Chicago Tribune offers a blistering critique of Obamacare, calling for delay and massive overhaul.
Only the NIGGER PROOF READER doesn't know the house is collapsing
As predicted, the reality of Obamacare is ripping even its most staunch supporters’ narratives to pieces. Like the New York Times Sunday, the Chicago Tribune has now turned on the president’s signature achievement.
Monday’s editorial begins by expressing sympathy to those who have tried to sign up for the “problem-plagued” exchanges, presenting a devastating personal account as proof:
“
If you've tried to sign up online for health coverage under the problem-plagued Obamacare exchange, our sympathies. Many people have tried to create accounts and shop for insurance under the new law. Few have succeeded. Those that have enrolled have found that the system is prone to mistakes. Some applications have been sent to the wrong insurance company.
“
Wait. It gets worse. Those who have managed to browse the marketplace have often been hit by sticker shock. Take Adam Weldzius, a nurse practitioner and single father from Carpentersville. He sought the same level of coverage on the exchange as he and his 7-year-old daughter have now, with the same insurer and the same network of doctors and hospitals. At best, Weldzius found, his monthly premium of $233 would more than double. If he chose a plan priced at the same level, the annual deductible would be $12,700, more than three times his current $3,500 deductible.
A more than doubled premium and tripled deductible—reality continues to shred apart the rhetoric. After the Weldzius testimonial, the article makes a similar statement to the NYT’s piece about just how deep the problems go for the online exchanges, highlighting the president’s bumbling disclaimer in the process:
“
Last spring, President Barack Obama said "there will still be, you know, glitches and bumps" in the rollout of the new system. But what we're seeing now is no glitch or bump. There is a growing mountain of evidence that Obamacare has fundamental problems in design and implementation.
The piece summarizes some of this “mountain of evidence” and the administration’s bungled rollout, citing Illinois’ “whopping annual deductibles,” the administration’s politically motivated rushed launch of the program, and the “sloppy design of the architecture” of the system.
Then the article turns its attention to the failures the program’s “cheerleader” Kathleen Sebelius:
“
The Department of Health and Human Services under chief Obamacare cheerleader Kathleen Sebelius has had three years to develop this system. It has busted deadline after deadline, all the while promising that the system would be ready on Oct. 1. It has overpromised and underdelivered.
But the piece does not just rip Sebelius, it also directly calls out Obama’s infamous false claim:
“
People who have individual insurance coverage are finding that Obama's oft-repeated promise — "if you like your health care plan, you can keep your health care plan" — is just not true.
Ultimately the editorial agrees with many Republicans, arguing for a one year delay and massive overhaul of the beleaguered program:
“
A delay in the individual mandate would not be a special favor to American consumers. It's a matter of fairness.
“
A one-year hiatus would give everyone a chance to take a hard look at the pricing of these plans, to see if consumers could get more affordable options without sacrificing coverage ...
“
The deeper problems of cost and coverage in Obamacare are going to require an admission by the administration that this government management of the health care market is extraordinarily complicated and will be very costly for many people. The law has to change.
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Delaying implementation would do nothing for the crashes. Seriously? It would happen then, too.
Supply and demand, people WANT insurance and some just don't understand that concept.
Supply and demand, people WANT insurance and some just don't understand that concept.
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Prolly the same people who made C Rats for Vietnam.
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You mean this story? The one that was backed up with no evidence? Seems like a right wing plant piece to me. So based on literally one person's experience you're ready to denounce the whole thing.
That's like saying all repbulitards are racist. Oh wait, nevermind, they are.
http://www.truthdig.com/images/cartoonuploads/allen_racist_500.jpg
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Obamacare does seem to compare to the dreaded Ham n' Motherfuckers.
That's the name! I knew that nasty shit was Something & Mother Fuckers.
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...and this is just a preview!
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Quick! Find a blog that backs your Point of view!
The only thing imploding at the moment, is Republican credibility.
The only thing imploding at the moment, is Republican credibility.
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Just like AMAZON and APPLE, right NIGGER PROOF READER?
Obamacare 3 Weeks Later: “Today Was First Day We Got All The Way To Last Screen, But Then An Error Popped Up Saying Site Would Be Down For 72 Hours”…
Despite traffic for the exchange dropping by 88%, the White House is still trying to claim this is traffic related.
(Reuters) – The Obama administration has made headway against an online bottleneck that jammed enrollment for the president’s healthcare reform, but new technical problems greeted users on Monday, showing how difficult it will be to get consumers registered in time for insurance coverage to start January 1.
Three weeks after the launch of new health insurance plans under Obamacare, users were able to create accounts for themselves and begin the process of enrolling through the Healthcare.gov insurance marketplace, according to people aiding the sign-up effort.
But further into the process, error messages and other difficulties were apparent, leading to fresh frustrations for health insurers and nonprofit groups who want to help millions of uninsured Americans sign up for benefits as promised under President Barack Obama’s signature healthcare law.
“We have seen progress every day,” said Nasim Zahran of Miami’s Borinquen Medical Health Care Centers, where hundreds of people are waiting to enroll in coverage.
“Today was the first day that we got all the way to the last screen. But then an error screen popped up saying the site would be down for 72 hours,” Zahran said.
Healthcare.gov saw 14.6 million unique visits in its first 10 days, a larger-than-expected public response that raised hopes Obamacare would meet with strong enough demand in its first year.
But the site’s limited ability to enroll consumers is becoming an increasing focus of Obamacare’s Republican foes, who say the government was not ready to implement the law and should have delayed it.
Obamacare 3 Weeks Later: “Today Was First Day We Got All The Way To Last Screen, But Then An Error Popped Up Saying Site Would Be Down For 72 Hours”…
Despite traffic for the exchange dropping by 88%, the White House is still trying to claim this is traffic related.
(Reuters) – The Obama administration has made headway against an online bottleneck that jammed enrollment for the president’s healthcare reform, but new technical problems greeted users on Monday, showing how difficult it will be to get consumers registered in time for insurance coverage to start January 1.
Three weeks after the launch of new health insurance plans under Obamacare, users were able to create accounts for themselves and begin the process of enrolling through the Healthcare.gov insurance marketplace, according to people aiding the sign-up effort.
But further into the process, error messages and other difficulties were apparent, leading to fresh frustrations for health insurers and nonprofit groups who want to help millions of uninsured Americans sign up for benefits as promised under President Barack Obama’s signature healthcare law.
“We have seen progress every day,” said Nasim Zahran of Miami’s Borinquen Medical Health Care Centers, where hundreds of people are waiting to enroll in coverage.
“Today was the first day that we got all the way to the last screen. But then an error screen popped up saying the site would be down for 72 hours,” Zahran said.
Healthcare.gov saw 14.6 million unique visits in its first 10 days, a larger-than-expected public response that raised hopes Obamacare would meet with strong enough demand in its first year.
But the site’s limited ability to enroll consumers is becoming an increasing focus of Obamacare’s Republican foes, who say the government was not ready to implement the law and should have delayed it.
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Daily Kos author should send inflated health care premium bill to Daily Kos
Daily Kos helped push the bill through the House in 2010 despite having warned earlier that the bill would increase insurance rates.
In March 2010, the screws were being turned on Democrats in the House to pass the Obamacare bill the Senate had passed in December 2009.
Progressive Democrats in the House hated the Senate bill, which was viewed by many progressives as a giveaway to insurance and drug companies and did not contain a “public option.” House Democrats were being asked to swallow the Senate Bill whole because Scott Brown’s election in January 2010 deprived Senate Democrats of a filibuster proof majority, so the Senate could not make substantive changes.
Jane Hamsher at liberal Firedoglake predicted in December 2009, among other things, that insurance premiums would skyrocket under the Senate bill
The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance premiums for a family of four will rise an average of $1,000 a year — meaning in 10 years, your family’s insurance premium will be $10,000 more annually than it is right now.
Markos Moulitsas, the head of DailyKos, also claimed to hate the bill, urging in December 2009 that the bill be killed unless the individual mandate was removed:
“Insurance companies win,” Markos Moulitsas tweeted last night. “Time to kill this monstrosity coming out of the Senate.”
Moulitsas also predicted premium price hikes, in a Kos editorial:
Daily Kos - remove mandate or kill bill
My take is that it’s unconscionable to force people to buy a product from a private insurer that enjoys sanctioned monopoly status….
Without any mechanisms to control costs, this is yet another bailout for yet another reviled industry. Subsidies? Insurance companies are free to raise their rates to absorb that cash. More money for subsidies? More rate increases, as well as more national debt. Don’t expect Lieberman and his ilk to care. They’re in it for their industry pals.
If you want a similar model, watch how universities increase tuition to absorb increased financial aid opportunities.
But after the Senate passed the bill, Markos switched his tune, became a loyal Obama soldier, and threatened to primary progressive lawmakers in the House who killed the Senate bill.
HuffPo reported on March 9, 2010 (see note at bottom as to date), Markos Moulitsas To Kucinich: You’ll Be Primaried If You Kill Reform:
HuffPo Markos to Kucinich HC Reform
Pressed by fill-in host Lawrence O’Donnell as to whether a Kucinich would get a Democratic challenger for his seat if he didn’t support health care legislation — and in the process kill it — Moulitsas replied, “Yeah, absolutely.”
“What he is doing is undermining this reform,” he added. “He is making common cause with Republicans. And I think that is a perfect excuse and a rational one for a primary challenge.”
Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy
Now Obamacare Sticker Shock is hitting, just as Markos predicted, although for different reasons.
Whereas Markos expected evil insurance companies to price gouge, in fact premiums are spiking because people are forced to buy compliant policies which offer coverage they don’t need, and younger people subsidize older people. The sticker shock will hit the Kos Kids the hardest.
A Daily Kos “Diarist” is not happy, Obamacare will double my monthly premium (according to Kaiser)(emphasis added):
DailyKos Obamacare double premiums
My wife and I just got our updates from Kaiser telling us what our 2014 rates will be. Her monthly has been $168 this year, mine $150. We have a high deductible. We are generally healthy people who don’t go to the doctor often. I barely ever go. The insurance is in case of a major catastrophe.
Well, now, because of Obamacare, my wife’s rate is gong to $302 per month and mine is jumping to $284.
I am canceling insurance for us and I am not paying any fucking penalty. What the hell kind of reform is this?
Oh, ok, if we qualify, we can get some government assistance. Great. So now I have to jump through another hoop to just chisel some of this off. And we don’t qualify, anyway, so what’s the point?
I never felt too good about how this was passed and what it entailed, but I figured if it saved Americans money, I could go along with it.
I don’t know what to think now. This appears, in my experience, to not be a reform for the people.
What am I missing?
I realize I will probably get screamed at for posting this, but I can’t imagine I am the only Californian who just received a rate increase from Kaiser based on these new laws.
While I sympathize with the Kos Diarist’s plight, he has no one to blame other than Democrats and some people in the progressive movement who put politics ahead of good policy and sold out for the sake of the Democratic Party and Obama.
While the Kos Diarist wasn’t expecting the price hike, Markos was. And Markos along with other “progressives” helped Democrats shove what Markos previously called an “unconscionable” mandate down everyone’s throat.
So if the Kos Diarist is upset, let me make a suggestion.
Send your inflated health care premium bill to Daily Kos.
Daily Kos helped push the bill through the House in 2010 despite having warned earlier that the bill would increase insurance rates.
In March 2010, the screws were being turned on Democrats in the House to pass the Obamacare bill the Senate had passed in December 2009.
Progressive Democrats in the House hated the Senate bill, which was viewed by many progressives as a giveaway to insurance and drug companies and did not contain a “public option.” House Democrats were being asked to swallow the Senate Bill whole because Scott Brown’s election in January 2010 deprived Senate Democrats of a filibuster proof majority, so the Senate could not make substantive changes.
Jane Hamsher at liberal Firedoglake predicted in December 2009, among other things, that insurance premiums would skyrocket under the Senate bill
The cost of medical care will continue to rise, and insurance premiums for a family of four will rise an average of $1,000 a year — meaning in 10 years, your family’s insurance premium will be $10,000 more annually than it is right now.
Markos Moulitsas, the head of DailyKos, also claimed to hate the bill, urging in December 2009 that the bill be killed unless the individual mandate was removed:
“Insurance companies win,” Markos Moulitsas tweeted last night. “Time to kill this monstrosity coming out of the Senate.”
Moulitsas also predicted premium price hikes, in a Kos editorial:
Daily Kos - remove mandate or kill bill
My take is that it’s unconscionable to force people to buy a product from a private insurer that enjoys sanctioned monopoly status….
Without any mechanisms to control costs, this is yet another bailout for yet another reviled industry. Subsidies? Insurance companies are free to raise their rates to absorb that cash. More money for subsidies? More rate increases, as well as more national debt. Don’t expect Lieberman and his ilk to care. They’re in it for their industry pals.
If you want a similar model, watch how universities increase tuition to absorb increased financial aid opportunities.
But after the Senate passed the bill, Markos switched his tune, became a loyal Obama soldier, and threatened to primary progressive lawmakers in the House who killed the Senate bill.
HuffPo reported on March 9, 2010 (see note at bottom as to date), Markos Moulitsas To Kucinich: You’ll Be Primaried If You Kill Reform:
HuffPo Markos to Kucinich HC Reform
Pressed by fill-in host Lawrence O’Donnell as to whether a Kucinich would get a Democratic challenger for his seat if he didn’t support health care legislation — and in the process kill it — Moulitsas replied, “Yeah, absolutely.”
“What he is doing is undermining this reform,” he added. “He is making common cause with Republicans. And I think that is a perfect excuse and a rational one for a primary challenge.”
Visit NBCNews.com for breaking news, world news, and news about the economy
Now Obamacare Sticker Shock is hitting, just as Markos predicted, although for different reasons.
Whereas Markos expected evil insurance companies to price gouge, in fact premiums are spiking because people are forced to buy compliant policies which offer coverage they don’t need, and younger people subsidize older people. The sticker shock will hit the Kos Kids the hardest.
A Daily Kos “Diarist” is not happy, Obamacare will double my monthly premium (according to Kaiser)(emphasis added):
DailyKos Obamacare double premiums
My wife and I just got our updates from Kaiser telling us what our 2014 rates will be. Her monthly has been $168 this year, mine $150. We have a high deductible. We are generally healthy people who don’t go to the doctor often. I barely ever go. The insurance is in case of a major catastrophe.
Well, now, because of Obamacare, my wife’s rate is gong to $302 per month and mine is jumping to $284.
I am canceling insurance for us and I am not paying any fucking penalty. What the hell kind of reform is this?
Oh, ok, if we qualify, we can get some government assistance. Great. So now I have to jump through another hoop to just chisel some of this off. And we don’t qualify, anyway, so what’s the point?
I never felt too good about how this was passed and what it entailed, but I figured if it saved Americans money, I could go along with it.
I don’t know what to think now. This appears, in my experience, to not be a reform for the people.
What am I missing?
I realize I will probably get screamed at for posting this, but I can’t imagine I am the only Californian who just received a rate increase from Kaiser based on these new laws.
While I sympathize with the Kos Diarist’s plight, he has no one to blame other than Democrats and some people in the progressive movement who put politics ahead of good policy and sold out for the sake of the Democratic Party and Obama.
While the Kos Diarist wasn’t expecting the price hike, Markos was. And Markos along with other “progressives” helped Democrats shove what Markos previously called an “unconscionable” mandate down everyone’s throat.
So if the Kos Diarist is upset, let me make a suggestion.
Send your inflated health care premium bill to Daily Kos.
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There are still plenty of people who believe in Santa, the Easter Bunny, Obama, and free lunches.
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Yay! America is failing. Yoo Hoo! Wheeeeeee! My Party might do better!
You really should be ashamed of yourself, miles. But then again, why start now?
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They've been hoping for failure since President Obama was elected to his first term. The date just keeps getting pushed back. See my Doom and Gloom thread.
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Miles and Vetty seem desperate to draw attention away from the Republican debacle in Congress.
Today was a good day for Murica.
Not so good for the fringe right loonytunes.
Today was a good day for Murica.
Not so good for the fringe right loonytunes.
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Yeah yeah, they show some backbone once and you guys start prophesizin' doom 'n gloom.
Maybe you can explain to the class how this "overplayin'" is gonna take place?
Hmmm?
