Is Obamacare imploding?

[JohnnySavage]

He's dutifully regurgitating the same talking points over and over, and claimin' victimhood when someone challenges his derpspew.

It's interesting watching him implode in real time.

But... he avered and reposed.

You better recognize!

 

[RobDownSouth]

But... he avered and reposed.

You better recognize!

Ceritude!

 

[landslider2000]

No amount of trolling alters the points.

It is beyond dispute that people want finality -- certitude, closure.

Also beyond dispute that every day dawns anew, presenting new challenge and opportunity.

Obamacare was not arrived at by honest, open discussion, but in total secrecy and on a purely partisan basis.

Nobody believed the rationale for the Sup Ct ruling. After the Ct said the indiv mandate could be construed as a tax, the W House repudiated that the next morning.

So, in a country which is not a dictatorship, at least half the population doesn't like or want Obamacare, and the other half wants to ram it down their throats.

Ergo, controversy continues.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

No amount of trolling alters the points.

It is beyond dispute that people want finality -- certitude, closure.

Also beyond dispute that every day dawns anew, presenting new challenge and opportunity.

Obamacare was not arrived at by honest, open discussion, but in total secrecy and on a purely partisan basis. LIE #1

Nobody believed the rationale for the Sup Ct ruling. After the Ct said the indiv mandate could be construed as a tax, the W House repudiated that the next morning.

So, in a country which is not a dictatorship, at least half the population doesn't like or want Obamacare, and the other half wants to ram it down their throats. Another LIE, half of those who do not want Obamacare want single payer, not to go back to the same old. When asked about specific points, most of the remaining 25% approve.

Ergo, controversy continues.

Calling anyone who disagrees with your lies "trolls" only weakens your position.

The controversy only continues in the minds of those that want infinite attempts to overturn the ACA. Your attempts are nearing 50, all failures. SCOTUS challenge, failure.

 

[landslider2000]

Why didn't the Democrat "victory" on Wednesday seal the deal? Why is there now any American not blissfully happy to have Obamacare?

Because the process, from start to finish, did not depend upon popular assent. It was a textbook example of how NOT to form public policy.

Repubs, and libertarians, and anarchists -- they all have health. They are stakeholders in all this. They not only can speak out, but will.

It is a fact that at least half the country didn't want -- and doesn't want -- Obamacare.

Thus, controversy will continue.

Dems don't like that, but these are the wages of ideological sin. This is what happens when you do public policy in purely partisan fashion.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Why didn't the Democrat "victory" on Wednesday seal the deal? Why is there now any American not blissfully happy to have Obamacare?

Because the process, from start to finish, did not depend upon popular assent. It was a textbook example of how NOT to form public policy.

Repubs, and libertarians, and anarchists -- they all have health. They are stakeholders in all this. They not only can speak out, but will.

It is a fact that at least half the country didn't want -- and doesn't want -- Obamacare.

Thus, controversy will continue.

Dems don't like that, but these are the wages of ideological sin. This is what happens when you do public policy in purely partisan fashion.

Repeating the same tired argument doesn't make it any more true than it was the first time.

Seeing that you profess to be concerned with "trollish behavior" one would think that you would recognize this exact tactic as a tell-tale sign.

A majority of Americans do like the affordable care act, once they know what's in it. Those who wish to remain with the status quo have spent hundreds of millions to make sure that some remain misinformed. If it were such an assured disaster why bother misinforming the public about it? Why not let it succeed or fail on it's own merit?

Because your greatest fear is that it will succeed.

 

[landslider2000]

The word "tired" doesn't constitute rebuttal.

Repetition of any argument is essential because basic troll behavior is to bury anything substantive beneath a bunch of insult posts.

The latter is the bulk of this entire forum.

 

[RjThoughts]

The word "tired" doesn't constitute rebuttal.

Repetition of any argument is essential because basic troll behavior is to bury anything substantive beneath a bunch of insult posts.

The latter is the bulk of this entire forum.

From those that do not like the ACA, that believe it will lead to ruination of this nation.

Well, the same was said of Medicare.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The word "tired" doesn't constitute rebuttal.

Repetition of any argument is essential <snip>

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[Busybody]

The Good: Washington State Signs Up 25,000 For Obamacare – The Very Bad: Majority Are Welfare Cases And Won’t Pay Anything…




The birth of America’s newest bloated entitlement program.

Via KIRO:


Enrollments in health care plans through Washington state’s new health care exchange continue to increase, but it turns out a majority of the enrollees so far won’t be paying for their plans.

“The Medicaid newly eligible population accounts for a little more than half of the 25,000 that we’ve seen,” Michael Marchand, with the new Washington Health Care Exchange, tells KIRO Radio’s Dave Ross.

A Medicaid expansion under Obamacare raised the income threshold for those eligible.

“So that’s the new population that’s part of the expansion that the state undertook,” says Marchand. “It’s quite possible that those people may have never had health insurance in the past and have been able to go to Washington Health Plan Finder and determine that their eligibility actually qualifies them for free insurance.”

In addition to the 25,000 enrolled, an additional 37,000 residents have completed online applications that are awaiting payment that is due in December.

The state estimates about 1 million Washington state residents do not have health insurance, or about one in seven people.

Marchand says they’ve found the bulk of those uninsured will likely get fully-subsidized health care or assistance of some kind.

 

[RjThoughts]

How can something be an entitlement when one using it has to PAY in the end?

Are we talking Teabagger math again?

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Good: Washington State Signs Up 25,000 For Obamacare – The Very Bad: Majority Are Welfare Cases And Won’t Pay Anything…

The primary goal of Obamacare was getting more health insurance for everyone.

So please eat kosher shit and die.

 

[1sickbastard]

The primary goal of Obamacare was getting more health insurance for everyone.

So please eat kosher shit and die.

How does shit become kosher? Does it have to be blessed by a rabbi? Would that make it holy shit?

 

[Sean Renaud]

How does shit become kosher? Does it have to be blessed by a rabbi? Would that make it holy shit?

I think it has to come from the right animals. Like my shit is Kosher as I live entirely off lamb and fish. Does anybody know if Iguanas are Kosher? I should go ask a Muslim, their rules are close enough.

 

[FistedSister]

It's doing great here in New York, but then again we were prepared. We're not like those states that screw everything up and then blame Obama. I'm afraid your children are fucked Florida, Texas, etc.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

The word "tired" doesn't constitute rebuttal.

Repetition of any argument is essential because basic troll behavior is to bury anything substantive beneath a bunch of insult posts.

The latter is the bulk of this entire forum.

tired doesn't, but the bolded portion of my quote, which you ignored, does.

Repeating the same tired argument doesn't make it any more true than it was the first time.

Seeing that you profess to be concerned with "trollish behavior" one would think that you would recognize this exact tactic as a tell-tale sign.

A majority of Americans do like the affordable care act, once they know what's in it. Those who wish to remain with the status quo have spent hundreds of millions to make sure that some remain misinformed. If it were such an assured disaster why bother misinforming the public about it? Why not let it succeed or fail on it's own merit?

Because your greatest fear is that it will succeed.

 

[FistedSister]

It is common knowledge that the GOP's fear is that the ACA will work. Otherwise, why would they have to defund it and TRY screw it up? Right?

 

[FistedSister]

I'm still waiting for one of these teahadists on here to explain his/her opposition to the medical device tax.

The ACA gives the medical device at least 12% more business. They give the government 1% back to fund the ACA. That's just good business.

Many of the device people are claiming their business will grow a lot more over time thanks to the ACA.

 

[1sickbastard]

I think it has to come from the right animals. Like my shit is Kosher as I live entirely off lamb and fish. Does anybody know if Iguanas are Kosher? I should go ask a Muslim, their rules are close enough.

Pretty much the same rules, as far as which animals are considered clean, as can be found in Leviticus. Best as I can remember, there are no reptiles or amphibians considered 'clean'.

There is some flexibility. I read a report yesterday that some Syrian clerics have issued fatwahs declaring dog and cat meat acceptable in certain circumstances if it means fending off starvation. Extreme situations do tend to allow for some pragmatism.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It's been a while since I read the rules. I think it has to do with dragging your belly on the ground which nails nearly all reptiles and amphibians. I didn't know dog and cat weren't kosher though, I assumed that they were like horse. We don't eat them because we view them as pets and partners not because there is any particular rule against it. I could be wrong on that though.

 

[1sickbastard]

It's been a while since I read the rules. I think it has to do with dragging your belly on the ground which nails nearly all reptiles and amphibians. I didn't know dog and cat weren't kosher though, I assumed that they were like horse. We don't eat them because we view them as pets and partners not because there is any particular rule against it. I could be wrong on that though.

My take away was that only land animals with a particular type of hoof were considered okay. Animals w/o hooves, like dogs and cats and certain kinds of hooves, like one finds on pigs, aren't clean. The rules seem to eliminate carnivores and most omnivores for land animals. Different standards for birds and fish, but those too seem to be based on the animals diet.

And then there's rules for what kinds of food one can eat at the same meal, like if one has meat for dinner, one doesn't have any sort of dairy with the meal.

I got hold off a US Army survival guide. Part of it was foraging and hunting food in the wild. The guidelines were pretty similar as far as meats go; for example, that predators and omnivores were more prone to parasites, rabbit meat was deficient in certain nutrients, etc, and avoiding them, assuming better food sources can be found, will improve one's chances of staying alive. But it also included tips on cooking such meats so they could be eaten with less chances of getting sick.

 

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[Shagly]

It's doing great here in New York, but then again we were prepared. We're not like those states that screw everything up and then blame Obama. I'm afraid your children are fucked Florida, Texas, etc.

Don't forget California also.

 

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[contrifan32]

From those that do not like the ACA, that believe it will lead to ruination of this nation.

Well, the same was said of Medicare.

Yea, and thats a financial windfall for the country. Just what we need... a 4th rail during these great economic times.