Is morality religion based?

[perks]

If so, is that the reason the blowjob pres got off with a slap on the wrist?

seperation of church and state? seperation of morality and state?

discuss.

 

[perks]

what? I'm only allowed to post parody threads?

 

[CoolidgEffect]

He who throws the first stone...

 

[perks]

lavender, please post this thread, so someone will answer it.

Obviously, I'm only allowed to post about ducks and fucking.

 

[Oscuridad]

What slap on the wrist?

I dont think what he did constituted a breach of his job, just of his personal life.

If you wanna fry the man, do it over ignoring the Kyoto Accords.

Ken Starr and Linda Tripp are punishment enough for any man.

 

[Oscuridad]

I will hasten to add... So, he's a liar.

Like Reagan never lied, or either Bush?

Please. Incompetence on that level would have kept them from office.

 

[curious2c]

Hmmm...morality is the right conduct or conformity to the rules of right conduct. It is also a doctrine or system of morals.

I believe that most morals come from religion and the teachings of said religions. Rules of conduct must come from somewhere and in my experience it seems that religion has been the one constant to the creation of morals and morality.

So...Clinton got off not because of seperation of church and state, but because there was not enough evidence to show that what he did (or had done to him) was in that respect bad enough to warrant punishment.

His 'moral' ground was eroded to the point that most people were dissillusioned with him and his presidency. However, he was and still is a very chrismatic person who attracts women to him for what ever they see in him. His morals are not most peoples morals it seems.

I think that when morality shows up in force religion is behind it and certain people are trying to push their agenda. Going by the strict definition of morality in the dictionary you would see that it refers to how one conducts oneself in and with other people. I think that it has been hijacked to promote religious based themes more now than ever before.

And no, you don't have to post only parody threads Perky.

 

[alexandraaah]

Not for me.

Shh, I'm in silent prayer of your candy cane.

 

[lavender]

If so, is that the reason the blowjob pres got off with a slap on the wrist?

seperation of church and state? seperation of morality and state?

discuss.

I don't really know what you are asking here. I do think in our country that a lot of people's morals are religious based. For example, I think the Republicans did a terrible job of the way they handled the Clinton matter because they focused on the "Christian Coalitions" reasoning why the sexual act was wrong.

They were like "How dare he get his dick sucked. How dare he play with the cigar. How dare he be with a woman when he wasn't married to her. What about the vow to Hillary?" They tried to sensationalize this by making Clinton seem like a pervert - but by what standards. I posit that it's the religious standards and burdens placed on human sexuality in our society.

It would have been a much finer attack to focus on the dishonesty, to focus on the way he treated Lewinsky, the way he treated Hillary. The breach of trust in their marriage and the breach of trust to the American people. By focusing on this type of morality - which is more akin to ethics - I think it would have been more successful.

I think morality should be separated from religion, but it is hard to do so when religion has been so ingrained into our populous.

 

[TxBelle]

Some people have a tendancy to believe that without gawd you can have no morals. These same people can not imagine how anyone without a religious ball and chain can even begin to find meaning in life. They also believe masterbation is bad. Which leads to swollen balls that pull on the optic nerve resulting in vision anomolies such as seeing Christ in a tortilla.

I'm gonna go kick my dog, grind my children up for dinner, beat my husband, and covet my neighbors new porch swing, right after I masterbate.

Hugs
Belle

 

[Oscuridad]

I don't really know what you are asking here. I do think in our country that a lot of people's morals are religious based. For example, I think the Republicans did a terrible job of the way they handled the Clinton matter because they focused on the "Christian Coalitions" reasoning why the sexual act was wrong.

They were like "How dare he get his dick sucked. How dare he play with the cigar. How dare he be with a woman when he wasn't married to her. What about the vow to Hillary?" They tried to sensationalize this by making Clinton seem like a pervert - but by what standards. I posit that it's the religious standards and burdens placed on human sexuality in our society.

It would have been a much finer attack to focus on the dishonesty, to focus on the way he treated Lewinsky, the way he treated Hillary. The breach of trust in their marriage and the breach of trust to the American people. By focusing on this type of morality - which is more akin to ethics - I think it would have been more successful.

I think morality should be separated from religion, but it is hard to do so when religion has been so ingrained into our populous.

This is a fair statement.

Had he been tried that way he'd have really fried.

Or if he was tried by the inquisition... then. Oy.

I just think that his "slap on the wrist" needs to be defined.

Compared to what, and for doing what?

 

[perks]

I'll try to be a bit more coherent.

I'm saying that morality has a huge base in religion. People decide what is morale and what isn't according to what they're taught according to lots of Judeo-Christian dogma.

I'm wondering how people differentiate between a religious morality issue and just a morality issue.

If there is no difference, then religion is morality and there should be a seperation of morality and state.

I believe, that the immorality of politics proves just that.

 

[Oscuridad]

Okay then...

Morality and religion have to be seperate.

Or are we going to admit to several seperate but all equally true "moralities" as defined by gaps between different religions?

 

[perks]

Okay then...

Morality and religion have to be seperate.

Or are we going to admit to several seperate but all equally true "moralities" as defined by gaps between different religions?

so, only the lowest common denominator of morales?

it still proves that morality is religion based.

 

[Oscuridad]

Are you then saying that the LCD of religions define "morals"

What about Atheists? Are they then also Immoral, or Amoral??

 

[perks]

Are you then saying that the LCD of religions define "morals"

What about Atheists? Are they then also Immoral, or Amoral??

nooooooooooo!

I'm saying that if religions define morals, that's why politics is so immorale, because there is supposed to be a seperation of church and state.

 

[curious2c]

you have the morality of being a human being versus being a 'good christian' also.

To be honest, fair, trustworthy, and practice that is one moral way of being. To be a loving person is not meaning religious influence has a hold on you, only if you begin to push your viewpoint over others as being the only 'right' way to be or act.

A person can be very moral and not be hung up on religion, but religion has formed many of the morals that are being held out as 'the right way to be'.

Yes they are seperate and distinct differences can be shown, but afterall is said and done...isn't religion a set of moral rules to live by anyway?

 

[Oscuridad]

I grasp that... But I think its perfectly possible (if not required) for high politicians to be both religious and immoral at the same time.

Therefore I would agree to an apparant and self-enforcing "seperation of morals and state" The church being a seperate issue.

 

[perks]

morality is choosing "good" over "bad"

What dictates the difference?

 

[Oscuridad]

You dont need religion to choose good over bad.

But religion often states or enforces its view of what should be good and ought to be bad.

 

[perks]

You dont need religion to choose good over bad.

But religion often states or enforces its view of what should be good and ought to be bad.

how do you know the difference? who told you? what taught you that one thing was right and the other wasn't?

 

[Oscuridad]

It might've been my atheist parents who were none the less kind to people in need and always did the right thing.

It mightve been my community or other figures not religious.

Do you really need to be told, as a learning child that murder is wrong?

*snerk*

Well maybe if you watch enough of the wrong TV you do.

 

[curious2c]

morality is choosing "good" over "bad"

What dictates the difference?

That is where religion comes in. It seems that how one believes is how one seperates good from bad.

And on the politicial note...quite a few politicians act like schoolkids on a school trip while 'at work'. They seem to think that since they are making the rules or laws they are exempt from having to abide by them.

There are some very moral politicians, but I think they all compromise themselves at one point or another while in office making them, for the most part, immoral. Nature of the beast, politics and compromise. You know...vote this way for me and I will vote this way for you. Soon enough the average politician has left their morals and lost the compass to guide them.

 

[modest mouse]

no

 

[christcat69]

If morality and religion are intertwined than why aren't more military men catholic? This way they can kill people as long as they ask for forgiveness.
Seriously though, I believe morals are independent not religious. You know in your heart what is right or wrong. You don't need to go to church so some priest can tell you what to do like he's so f***ing pious. Say you study the bible your whole life, you have no fun, only to find out on your death bed that your priest was unable to come pray for you because he was in jail for molesting a child. Now I say, as long as you know to draw the line at hurting others or yourself, then do it and have fun.