Is Loving Wives becoming a dumping ground?

[quutoo]

I have seen the loving wives section become less and less as time goes by.
The Loving wives section used to be where you could read stories about cheating wives, Husband's who liked to see them get fucked by big cocks. Now it is full of stories containing Interracial, BDSM and all kinds of crap that has nothing to do with a wife.

Could it be that the other sections are getting so clogged up that writers are having their stories put in loving wives instaed? Whatever I think that Loving Wives should be returned to Loving Wives.

 

[Belthazor82]

I don't see it that way. There are plenty new stories about cheating, cuckolding, etc. Sure, there might be interracial, bdsm and other things included. But I think that's just because themes naturally intersect each other. In which category would you place a story where a married woman is cheating on her husband by doing bdsm with a black guy?

I think it's a question of what the author sees as the main theme of the story.

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

I always found the name funny. I remember writing my first series: Met on the Net" and placing it in Erotic Couplings and I got emails slamming me for not having it in "Loving Wives". . .I thought, huh? Their both married and both cheating on their spouses, how in the world is that LOVING?

It wasn't until someone explained to me that Loving Wives was known for cheating wives. I have never understood that and still believe the category needs renamed. But I'd like to see other categories: Cheating Wives, Bi-Sexual instead of just tossing it all in Group would also be something I'd like to see.

When I submit the story I do my best to pick the right category, in the end though if I pick the wrong category Lit has put it in a different one. It is their call when they approve the story, so if they think they should go in Loving Wives, then it is there for a reason.

Met on the Net is still listed as Erotic Couplings, and the Loving Wives stories I have submitted are quite different than the normal cheating aspect. The spouses know their wives are with others, even encouraging it at times; all except one. One of them does have soft BDSM in it, but again, she's married, and having an affair, so it is placed in Loving Wives.

 

[pop_54]

I always found the name funny. I remember writing my first series: Met on the Net" and placing it in Erotic Couplings and I got emails slamming me for not having it in "Loving Wives". . .I thought, huh? Their both married and both cheating on their spouses, how in the world is that LOVING?

It wasn't until someone explained to me that Loving Wives was known for cheating wives. I have never understood that and still believe the category needs renamed. But I'd like to see other categories: Cheating Wives, Bi-Sexual instead of just tossing it all in Group would also be something I'd like to see.

When I submit the story I do my best to pick the right category, in the end though if I pick the wrong category Lit has put it in a different one. It is their call when they approve the story, so if they think they should go in Loving Wives, then it is there for a reason.

Met on the Net is still listed as Erotic Couplings, and the Loving Wives stories I have submitted are quite different than the normal cheating aspect. The spouses know their wives are with others, even encouraging it at times; all except one. One of them does have soft BDSM in it, but again, she's married, and having an affair, so it is placed in Loving Wives.

Hmmm ... me too, I tried to put a cheating wife tale in erotic couplings and admin refused it and made me put it in 'Loving wives' Little tart cheating on her husband with three men and three other women... screwed like a whore all night long without her husband's knowledge let alone his consent... Baffled me how that could be loving him

 

[Texasmm39]

odd

I thought the only things that went there were cheating wife stories...I didn't think it was cheating IF the hubby was involved (cuckold then?)

oh well...can't please all the people all the time

 

[drksideofthemoon]

I thought the only things that went there were cheating wife stories...I didn't think it was cheating IF the hubby was involved (cuckold then?)

oh well...can't please all the people all the time

Don't know, I've never written a story for that category, and have no desire to.

 

[laurieteach]

I thought the only things that went there were cheating wife stories...I didn't think it was cheating IF the hubby was involved (cuckold then?)

oh well...can't please all the people all the time

don't laugh, but I put a story there about a wife (me) cheating on her husband with the groom at a wedding (my sister's hint hint) and some guy gave me bad feedback saying how awful I was etc etc and how I wasn't a 'writer' for writing this and thinking it was erotic...what was it doing in the "Loving Wives" category...hmmm

well...alot of the guys liked it!

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

I will never understand that category. Like I said the chapters I did write that involved a husband and wife cheating were accepted in Erotic Coupling, (this was back in May 2005) -

The ones I do have in the LW category are ones where the hubby knows and have stayed in that category, only one where she was drunk and deeply depressed and taken advantage of in her emotional state was the husband not aware of the incident. He also was not in the story, except for the presence of a wedding band on her finger. The ring represented the husband's presence.

Maybe there are two sides to the definition of the category. The cheating wife, and the true meaning of loving.

 

[rydia57]

It's taken me two years and I still haven't fully figured out the "Loving Wives" category. I know its stories have to do with wives, and it gets alot of flamers. I do read alot of them tho cos some are written in a note I can understand. It would be a real challenge to submit a story there. I don't think its a dying category tho.

 

[starrkers]

I think a lot of writers avoid Loving Wives as much as possible, because of the number of trolls that read there.
I've recently posted a story there (The Best Game) and it seems, from the comments, people either love it or loathe it on principle (one gave it 0 without even reading it). I doubt I will ever truly know if its a good story or a mediocre one. But I wrote it expecting it to get slammed. That it's voting average is above 3 I take as a bonus.
A story I wrote about a real loving wife - she went out of her way to give her man a fabulous day off - I put in Erotic Couplings. No way did I want it in Loving Wives, it would've been crucified and I really like it. In EC it has gained an H easily.

I think a lot of good stories that probably should be in Loving Wives go elsewhere, just to avoid the idiot element.

 

[sirhugs]

this is just another version of a debate that has been rehashed over and over, and which, IMHO ought to be on the author's Hangout, not Story Ideas.

I have probably written more Lw stories than any poster here, ansd wil continue to. I wil also read and review them

Yes, there are several flavours of LW story. I think a prior thread coounted six variations .

It is over simplistic to say it should be renamed "Cheating wives", because only some of the stories would fit there. The rest would then be 'miscategorized' elsewhere.

Again, just my opinion, but I think Lit already has enough categories (too many?), and subdividing LW might force more arbitrary and rtherefore controversial; categorizations. Many of the longer more complex stories have multiple elements (my V Day work in progress combines incest, lesbianism, interrracial, and group sex - but might be best describned as Lw , I haven't decided yet.

Lw will get trolled, because there are angry people who should find better outlets , and some people should accept that not every story wil fit their personal peccadillos, but any writer so thin skinned or self important that ttrolls and votes bug them so much might be better employed elsewhere than on Lit (oh, yeah, we do this for fun and to share, we don't get paid).

 

[sirhugs]

Hmmm ... me too, I tried to put a cheating wife tale in erotic couplings and admin refused it and made me put it in 'Loving wives' Little tart cheating on her husband with three men and three other women... screwed like a whore all night long without her husband's knowledge let alone his consent... Baffled me how that could be loving him

baffling indeed, but the submission guidelines do say that EC is to be sort of a category of last resort. Maybe the mods figured that Lw would give readers some hint of the nature of the story.

this whole discussion points out the importance of good totles and descriptions to attract the right slice of readership, and more importantly, deter the incorrect ones.

 

[BedtimeStories77]

Loving Wives is a dumping ground, period. As Sirhugs said, the category has been "debated" a lot at Lit, and as many others have mentioned I don't really understand what "LOVING Wives" is supposed to mean! After all, if the woman loves her man, is in love with him, married, and has sex with him instead of others that's almost every other category at Lit? If so, why do the LW readers flame if a "cheating" story is placed there? And so on...

 

[slyc_willie]

My very first story, The Lesson, was submitted to the LW for a reason . . . in the story, the main character discovers his wife is cheating on him, and gets back at her by forcing her to watch him have sex with his secretary.

The point of the story (I felt, and tried to convey) was that the actual 'loving wife' was the secretary, Emily, and not the first wife who cheated on him. In the end, The main character and Emily get married and are happy together.

An unusual way to look at the category, but I chose LW because of that aspect . . . admittedly, however, that aspect seems to have been lost on quite a few readers.

I have not submitted an LW story since. But if I were going to, I would make it a 'true' Loving Wives story, with no cheating, no embarrassment, no cuckold husband and no whoring wife. Just true and simple love.

And, I'm pretty sure the ignorant trolls would still bash me.

 

[elsol]

*burp*

Becoming?

 

[JamesSD]

*burp*

Becoming?

LOL, nice.

The original poster unintentionally makes the point that people who read Loving wives have very different ideas of what the category "should" be. For example, I think that a lot of cuckold fantasies have a strong BDSM element to them, and it's very appropriate to still put those stories in Loving Wives.

I do think it's a logical fallacy of many readers that if there were less of the stories they don't care for that there would magically be more of those that fit their personal preferences. Part of why I started writing was I realized the only way to increase the number of stories in my favorite genre is to write them myself!

 

[S-Des]

this is just another version of a debate that has been rehashed over and over, and which, IMHO ought to be on the author's Hangout, not Story Ideas.

I have probably written more Lw stories than any poster here, ansd wil continue to. I wil also read and review them

Yes, there are several flavours of LW story. I think a prior thread coounted six variations .

It is over simplistic to say it should be renamed "Cheating wives", because only some of the stories would fit there. The rest would then be 'miscategorized' elsewhere.

Again, just my opinion, but I think Lit already has enough categories (too many?), and subdividing LW might force more arbitrary and rtherefore controversial; categorizations. Many of the longer more complex stories have multiple elements (my V Day work in progress combines incest, lesbianism, interrracial, and group sex - but might be best describned as Lw , I haven't decided yet.

Lw will get trolled, because there are angry people who should find better outlets , and some people should accept that not every story wil fit their personal peccadillos, but any writer so thin skinned or self important that ttrolls and votes bug them so much might be better employed elsewhere than on Lit (oh, yeah, we do this for fun and to share, we don't get paid).

Agreed on all counts. To me, I think Loving Wives has a double meaning (intentionally so). First is Loving Wives, stories about women who love there men. Sometimes they make mistakes and try to make up for them, sometimes it's just romantic (I know a bunch of those types which were very well received in LW). There are also stories about women who love their men so much that they are willing to explore atypical lifestyles at their man's request (i.e. BDSM, swinging, etc...). Second is "Loving" Wives, the word Loving being sarcastic. A woman who is decieptful, manipulative, and treacherous. Some stories have them "winning" over their husband, some have the husband seeking revenge.

My LW stories have all involved cheating (one was through blackmail). Since infidelity is such a large problem in our society, I don't think it's a stretch to investigate reasons why someone might cheat. I never would do one just because the woman was a slut, it just doesn't interest me. I try to make the reasons imaginative and the fallout from the infidelity compelling and realistic. I love the category and have read more than half the stories on the site over the years. To me, the different aspects of the category make it the most interesting one (although I admit I'm a bit odd ).

 

[gauchecritic]

If you look at the categories you will find that there is no title of cat. that includes evocative words, even the rape cat. is called non-consent, so Loving Wives (in my view and similar to S-des) is simply a euphamism for Fucking Wives. The implication there is that the wife is not your own.

 

[oldwatcher]

Why go to the trouble?

I've never understood why anyone would feel the need to make ugly comments about any of the stories in Literotica. If you don't like the story, go find another one that you do. There are certainly all kinds; I've liked reading a large number of them.

And as someone above mentioned, the authors aren't getting paid. They're doing it for the pleasure of sharing. Just as some of us husbands enjoy sharing. LOL

 

[Remec]

Hmmm ... me too, I tried to put a cheating wife tale in erotic couplings and admin refused it and made me put it in 'Loving wives' Little tart cheating on her husband with three men and three other women... screwed like a whore all night long without her husband's knowledge let alone his consent... Baffled me how that could be loving him

I think the confusion comes from the hidden part of the category's title.

*breaks out large viewscreen contraption and slides it over category list*
*reveals title to read Loving [Other People's] Wives*

See?

 

[quutoo]

Wow. I seemed to have stirred up a hornets nest. I would like to say that I never really saw replies from such intelligent people. Not being catty, but honest. If nothing else this post has taught me that there are good people here and I will continue writing my stories.

My own interpretations of LW is that it deals with married people and situations
that arise from that marriage, be it: cheating, wife swapping, couples having sex with other men or women. Non Consent basically means rape. BDSM means abusing other people whether or not they are married or what not. Gay Male means man to man sex even if there is a wife there. Interracial means sex between married or un married having sex with people of other races.

My contention is that the categories are so messed up lately that a reader cannot choose what kind of story he reads. It causes many clicks off of a story that is miss- categorized. For instance in a LW story: If a husband slaps a wife then this doesn't constitute BDSM, however if the husband ties up the wife and abuses her and makes her call him 'master?' then it's not LW anymore even if they are married. It's BDSM. A reader should have an honest option on which stories he decided to spend his time reading.

Some readers actually dislike certain categories. Mine is BDSM, especially the strutting little wimp acting like 'call me master'. It can be a little disquieting to think you are going to read a story of a certain type, and then find that it's not the case, but something you dislike.

 

[Stella_Omega]

Wow. I seemed to have stirred up a hornets nest. I would like to say that I never really saw replies from such intelligent people.Not being catty, but honest. If nothing else this post has taught me that there are good people here and I will continue writing my stories.

It's a very well-known hornets nest around here

I think one of the most successful LW writers here is SirHugs. And IF I remember rightly, he had some good insight as to what makes his stories consistently H- and I hope he would be willing to repeat himself?

I am NOT a successful LW writer, at all, at all. I "divorced" a married couple to remove them from that genre!

 

[RedHairedandFriendly]

Some readers actually dislike certain categories. Mine is BDSM, especially the strutting little wimp acting like 'call me master'. It can be a little disquieting to think you are going to read a story of a certain type, and then find that it's not the case, but something you dislike.

I am a firm believer in Author's Notes at the beginning of their stories. I haven't done it on all of them, but the ones I feel need one gets one. In the note I'll list what goes on... some examples:

Author's Note: This is not a romance. The following contains MF, FFFF, Mature, Anal, Interracial, Exhibition/Voyeur, spanking, masturbation, fetishes, and "blinks" of different races and acts of sex. If any of this offends you, don't read. Comments are welcomed, but only those that leave comments that are worthy of being read are kept. If you wish to bash the work and not offer constructive criticism in a respectful way, then expect your comment to be deleted. This story was entered in the 2006 Nude Day Contest, please vote if you feel the need, but above all enjoy this very naughty write that isn't my usual style, but I had fun. ~ Red

Author's Note: There are brief lesbian undertones to this erotic coupling story, but the sexual action is heterosexual. Thank you to AussieAngel for the story idea. ~ Red

Author's Note: This story will have a hint of gay male in the beginning, but this chapter doesn't focus on that, but the hint is necessary to go with the preceding chapter and the lifestyle of the Senator. ~ Red

By including these author notes, my stories stay in the category I submit them in. I have four LW stories, 3 of them have "H" and the one that doesn't has been argued over where it belongs. Lit agreed with where I put it though. The husband was represented by the wedding ring the woman wore. He wasn't in the story except for that band. My other stories, are consentual acts between hubby, and wife, and his giving her or allowing her to be with another, or the wife is doing something erotic for her husband, because she loves him and vise versa.

 

[JamesSD]

My own interpretations of LW is that it deals with married people and situations
that arise from that marriage, be it: cheating, wife swapping, couples having sex with other men or women. Non Consent basically means rape. BDSM means abusing other people whether or not they are married or what not. Gay Male means man to man sex even if there is a wife there. Interracial means sex between married or un married having sex with people of other races.

My contention is that the categories are so messed up lately that a reader cannot choose what kind of story he reads. It causes many clicks off of a story that is miss- categorized. For instance in a LW story: If a husband slaps a wife then this doesn't constitute BDSM, however if the husband ties up the wife and abuses her and makes her call him 'master?' then it's not LW anymore even if they are married. It's BDSM. A reader should have an honest option on which stories he decided to spend his time reading.

Some readers actually dislike certain categories. Mine is BDSM, especially the strutting little wimp acting like 'call me master'. It can be a little disquieting to think you are going to read a story of a certain type, and then find that it's not the case, but something you dislike.

Ok, first off, BDSM and abuse are not the same thing, and are actually opposites. BDSM is a consentual act, where abuse is by definition not consentual. On this site "non consent" doesn't strictly mean rape - there are other good threads on the subject. Same with interracial... just because two characters are of different races doesn't make a story "interracial", especially if the races and cultures of the individuals in question aren't central to the plot.

Every category has different sub-genres. For example, Group sex has MFF threesomes (usually with BiFems), MFM threesomes (Both straight male and bi males), couples "swinging" with various combinations of same sex partner coupling, Multiple male single female gangbangs, big orgies, etc. Erotic Couplings can include a very wide range of types of stories.

Short of having 200 categories, there will always be overlap within categories. As an author I do try to make the story tagline reflective to some degree of what the reader can expect. But I'm sure there have been tons of people who clicked on my stories expecting or hoping for one thing and getting something different. It's the nature of the beast.

Again, I really do hope you look up some of the other threads on Loving Wives, because it has been discussed a lot in the past. It arguably does have one of the biggest disconnects between the different sub-genres it contains. People have proposed various ways to split it, most of which have certain virtues but none of which are totally satisfactory.

If you don't like a story, just backclick. Doesn't take that much effort, and usually you can tell where a story is headed by the first couple paragraphs

 

[SimonBrooke]

Dimensions of consent and non-consent

Ok, first off, BDSM and abuse are not the same thing, and are actually opposites. BDSM is a consentual act, where abuse is by definition not consentual. On this site "non consent" doesn't strictly mean rape - there are other good threads on the subject. Same with interracial... just because two characters are of different races doesn't make a story "interracial", especially if the races and cultures of the individuals in question aren't central to the plot.

Oh, God, no, it is not that simple. It's so much not that simple that if I talk about it here I'm going to completely take over this thread. So I've taken your post off to another thread entitled 'Dimensions of consent and non-consent'; please read on here.