Is it time for the U.S. to withdraw from the Middle East?

[hogjack]

Pull out.... Then nuke it till the sand is glass... Fuck 'em, the.world would be a better place

I totally agree! But if there is a way to save Qatar it would be great. My company imports anal beads from a small manufacturer located there. That producer has unequaled quality and meets every deadline.

 

[tactful]

If, the US did withdraw from the Middle East, a lot less people would be getting fucked.

 

[islandman]

If, the US did withdraw from the Middle East, a lot less people would be getting fucked.

Or, a lot more people would be getting fucked.

 

[garbage can]

Or, a lot more people would be getting fucked.

Guess it depends on what team you're on.........

 

[islandman]

Guess it depends on what team you're on.........

Pretty much says everything about you anyone would need to know to make an informed decision.

 

[garbage can]

Pretty much says everything about you anyone would need to know to make an informed decision.

I don't see it that way.

Why don't you explain, so even I can understand.

Get it off your chest, I'm listening.

 

[islandman]

I don't see it that way.

Why don't you explain, so even I can understand.

Get it off your chest, I'm listening.

Colour me surprised.

 

[Squibbs]

The middle east is going to be like this for the next 10 years or so.

Look at all the changes that have happened over the past decade.

Most of those people are feeling freedom for the first time.

The deaths of the Americans was not due to a huge organized mob aimed at killing all Americans.

The protest was already scheduled and al qaeda capitalized on the situation.

All Americans must fear Muslims.

Do it.

Jizz.

 

[kbate]

Colour me surprised.

4 multi-syllable words surprises you??

 

[kbate]

The middle east is going to be like this for the next 1000 years or so..

Fixed it.

 

[islandman]

4 multi-syllable words surprises you??

Consider the source.

 

[Squibbs]

I don't see it that way.

Why don't you explain, so even I can understand.

Get it off your chest, I'm listening.

Allow me to explain.

You are a simple, self absorbed and narrow minded dipshit.

 

[Squibbs]

Colour me surprised.

How come you spelled colour like that?

 

[garbage can]

Colour me surprised.

Naw, color you a coward.

 

[islandman]

Naw, color you a coward.

I say we let 'rock, paper, scissors, lizard, Spock' decide.

 

[HAL_9000]

Early withdrawal is not an option. We will stay inserted until every last drop gets sent down the pipeline and canal.

 

[islandman]

Early withdrawal is not an option. We will stay inserted until every last drop gets sent down the pipeline and canal.

In that case we''re going to need better lube.

 

[HAL_9000]

In that case we''re going to need better lube.

That and maybe some roofies?

 

[islandman]

That and maybe some roofies?

Too late for that.

We're already getting screwed.

 

[hogjack]

The U.S. prefers the rhythm method rather than full withdrawal.

 

[EllieTalbot]

It's way past time for us to stop mucking around in the middle east, but better late than never. We don't need OPEC oil. It's more than possible to find alternative sources -preferably domestic- to fill the gap, and the only way I can see that our national security is improved by involvement there is by way of intelligence operations that sniff out terrorist threats.

And there's no good reason to throw billions at the governments of Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. Our own economic woes notwithstanding, I don't think there's anything wrong with providing monetary assistance to those who are struggling to make their nations more free and equitable places, but we ought to be identifying which NGOs in those nations actually work towards those goals, and funding them. They know better how to work within their societies than we ever could.

Opinionated in Omaha,
Ellie

 

[mercury14]

It's way past time for us to stop mucking around in the middle east, but better late than never. We don't need OPEC oil. It's more than possible to find alternative sources -preferably domestic- to fill the gap, and the only way I can see that our national security is improved by involvement there is by way of intelligence operations that sniff out terrorist threats.

And there's no good reason to throw billions at the governments of Egypt, Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. Our own economic woes notwithstanding, I don't think there's anything wrong with providing monetary assistance to those who are struggling to make their nations more free and equitable places, but we ought to be identifying which NGOs in those nations actually work towards those goals, and funding them. They know better how to work within their societies than we ever could.

Opinionated in Omaha,
Ellie

What would the price of gas be if fuel derived from foreign sources couldn't be sold in the US? What would the impact be to the US economy given those prices?

 

[EllieTalbot]

What would the price of gas be if fuel derived from foreign sources couldn't be sold in the US? What would the impact be to the US economy given those prices?

That depends on whether or not we line up compensatory sources before booting OPEC crude. And please note the OPEC (not simply "foreign") specification.

Particular in Persia,
Ellie

 

[mercury14]

That depends on whether or not we line up compensatory sources before booting OPEC crude. And please note the OPEC (not simply "foreign") specification.

Particular in Persia,
Ellie

From what I can tell we'd have to just about double our domestic production and/or imports from Russia and/or Canada. Off the top of my head I can't think of any large oil exporters outside of OPEC other than those two. Norway maybe?

We can increase domestic production all we want but it doesn't mean Chevron will take that extra oil and sell it within America, right? They'll simply take it to the international market like always. Planning for oil independence is like planning to catch a leprechaun.

 

[EllieTalbot]

From what I can tell we'd have to just about double our domestic production and/or imports from Russia and/or Canada. Off the top of my head I can't think of any large oil exporters outside of OPEC other than those two. Norway maybe?

We can increase domestic production all we want but it doesn't mean Chevron will take that extra oil and sell it within America, right? They'll simply take it to the international market like always. Planning for oil independence is like planning to catch a leprechaun.

But we're in a position to make demands of any company we give drilling contracts to here. Of course, they could shrug it off and decide drilling here isn't worth agreeing to sell whatever amount to exclusively to us, but that would be an odd decision on their part since we're already the most lucrative customer in the international market by far.

Even if we couldn't make demands, then you're making a lot of assumptions, including that Chevron and other established big oil companies would be the ones who'd own it. We don't have to give any more domestic contracts to them. There are American upstarts who'd chomp at the bit for those contracts and happily agree to sell exclusively in North America.

Yes, it would take a lot of work, planning and industry development, but it's do-able, just like what we should be partnering it with: the development of alternative energy sources... which is also frivolously dismissed as a quixotic endeavor by some.

Sunning on Sunny Slopes,
Ellie