Is China humbler than the US in Xi's visit?

[Sean Renaud]

First, you've got American mistaken for Conservative. Plenty of people are willing to bury you in data. Second the OP's stated reason for thinking the Chinese are more humble is because they are Chinese. It's one thing to give your team the benefit of the doubt, hell it's expected. It's another entirely to base your entire belief on they share ancestory with me and thus must be the better party and I admit I'm not smart enough to come up with another reason.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Of course you can.

Most of corporate America would like to hear your proposals then, you should be a fucking bazzillionaire tomorrow man......

They aren't even that difficult to separate since not everything needs a physical mock up. The research guys for a lot of things can simply sit in a lab anywhere on the planet. Now we all ASSUME they are lying anyway and the RnD is done in America. BUT just like with taxes you open a PO Box in Uzbekibekistan, rent out a one room office and claim that is where the magic happens because then your taxes are based on a third world shit farm that "invented" the Iphone 69SG Deluxe edition and where it's built doesn't matter as much for that.

I'm absolutely positive for a whole fuck ton of products out there that's simply not how shit works. You need them both in the same place not so much for the R part but the D part.

 

[gxnn]

Countries are more reliable to each other than before. So please don't say things like if we do not buy your products you will be bankrupt or dead.

When there are a little more Mexicans and Cubians than usual in some cities of America, you feel very uneasy and uncomfortable, likewise when there are a little more refugees from Syria than usual in Europe, the EU has been put in big trouble. Suppose China opens its gate to have one tenth of its population to cross the Pacific to the New World, I am afraid whatever party is in power, the President of the US has to find time to fly to China to discuss or beg.

 

[Hypoxia]

Ware between USA and China is inevitable, probably within the next decade. Brace for it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Most of corporate America would like to hear your proposals then, you should be a fucking bazzillionaire tomorrow man......




I'm absolutely positive for a whole fuck ton of products out there that's simply not how shit works. You need them both in the same place not so much for the R part but the D part.

Corporate America has been doing this for YEARS. There is nothing for me to propose.

That is EXACTLY how tax shelters function. Do you really think Google and Apple's biggest market is Bermuda?

And why would the Research and Development need to be in the same place? Why would they even WANT to be? There really isn't a a good reason to do it.

 

[Que]

Ware between USA and China is inevitable, probably within the next decade. Brace for it.

They are already winning. It will be fought on currency exchange markets with computers.

 

[gxnn]

Ware between USA and China is inevitable, probably within the next decade. Brace for it.

You are right, it is a war behind the close door, like the drunk husband beating the wife or the hellcat beating the cuckold.

The victory of a war does not depend on the power of the military or the weapons you own, but on how to identify the enemy and how to separate him from yourself. Today it may still be easy for you to tell who is from China and who is from the US, but it will be more and more difficult for you to do so in future. Those who say he can survive without Chinese products can have a try from tomorrow to see how long they can remain alive as a heathy person.

After the collapse of the twin tower, Mr. Bush bombed Afganistan, it is not only laughable, but also very laughable, is it so simple and easy to fight a war against terrorists?

 

[Sean Renaud]

A war against China in that regard would be infinitely easier than a war with terrorists. And yes America could survive forever without China especially depending on how Europe decided to move.

 

[BotanyBoy]

That is EXACTLY how tax shelters function.

We aren't talking about tax shelters or a think tank.

We are talking about taking a CAD file and turning it into a quarter billion units ready for market. You can't just send an SD disk to China and expect anything worth a fuck back unless you tell them or send some people over there to explain what the fuck.

And why would the Research and Development need to be in the same place? Why would they even WANT to be?

Because the further away your "Here is what you need to do and how" team is from the production line the more difficult it is to not get a cargo ship full of worthless crap that isn't working right because your engineers weren't there to keep an eye on the button pushers on the assembly line.

It also keeps the Chinese piracy of intellectual property to a minimum. If you let them they will reverse engineer your shit and undercut you in a heartbeat.

There really isn't a a good reason to do it.

If you say so.......but when a bunch of uber companies with major interest there say there is I'm going to go with GE, Lockheed Martin, HP etc.

 

[Sean Renaud]

OF course we're talking Tax Shelters. How they pull that shit is pretending that work is done in this location when it's really done someplace else.

First, of course you could send a disc to China and expect it to work. But you don't actually need to. Go a head send your experts. Just make sure teh paperwork says the work is actually done in Bermuda and these guys were just in town on an inspection. Which legally probably isn't even a LIE so much as a conveinent interpretation of the truth.

Let's see Lockheed Martin's RnD are located in the states. In fact virtually all military RnD is in the United States for a goddamn reason.

HP does have a lab in China, but three in the US, one in Israel, one in Spain and one in the UK.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Ware between USA and China is inevitable, probably within the next decade. Brace for it.

Ware has been exchanging between the US and China for decades already, though. From disc burning through torrent streaming. Most of it is illegal pirating of movies and computer programs and the like.

 

[BotanyBoy]

OF course we're talking Tax Shelters.

No you are talking tax shelter, I'm talking about the cold hard fact that production needs R&D on site at some level for a large number of industries. You can't just send a disc to some slaves and expect them to produce some shit for you. Lab doesn't translate to factory by magic.....development.

First, of course you could send a disc to China and expect it to work. But you don't actually need to.

Yes you do otherwise all these companies would NOT have a department at the chinese factory cranking out their shit.

You certainly don't have to put it all over there but you can't totally separate the two. Not yet anyhow. Someone has to run the factory, someone has to tell the slaves which programs to load into their robots. Someone from research has to report back to the labs just how exactly the lab is translating to the factory. That shit doesn't happen by magic.

You can minimize it, even contract it out, but you cant totally sever R&D from production.

Let's see Lockheed Martin's RnD are located in the states. In fact virtually all military RnD is in the United States for a goddamn reason.

Of course they are 100% M'urican!! lol

China builds most of the parts used in and experimented on in those all M'urican facilities LOL. The subcontracted companies that build those parts? All have an R&D department there on site in China. In fact this has become a security concern for some top brass who worry that China could reverse engineer some of our best stuff simply because they make so many of the parts in it.

HP does have a lab in China, but three in the US, one in Israel, one in Spain and one in the UK.

Everyone has a department of some kind there.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Okay, pause. Show some proof that the things experimented on are made in China. Because that's virtually NEVER how prototypes are built. You don't build a prototype in a factory. You can't. Factories are for mass production. The experimental models are made by PEOPLE! With machines yes, but not massive factories and not by idiot worker bees who only know how to tighten nuts.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Okay, pause. Show some proof that the things experimented on are made in China. Because that's virtually NEVER how prototypes are built. You don't build a prototype in a factory. You can't. Factories are for mass production. The experimental models are made by PEOPLE! With machines yes, but not massive factories and not by idiot worker bees who only know how to tighten nuts.

You don't get what I am saying here.

I'm saying you can't have them build your shit (produce) without giving them the blueprints on what it is you want, you have to send them your R&D. If it's new sneakers or douche nozzles I'm sure a teleconference or Email is fine.

A custom microchip set on a board? You might want to send one of your engineers there to oversee things or hire a contractor to handle it all.

China doesn't know this board, screw,bolt, knob, lever, switch cover, gasket etc. is headed to Ft.Worth TX to go into an F-22 Raptor.

But I promise you sure as shit Lockheed martin does not produce every single nut and bold on that bird in house. They build the frame, then buy giant shipments of parts from China, and turn it into the latest n' greatest air superiority machine for M'uricuh.

The fear is if china puts the puzzle together, they could fast track their own 6th gen stealth fighter technology by reverse engineering the partial but rather large parts list we buy from them.

My twisted mind thought it sounded like political CYA for when they pop up with it early because we gave it to them. But idk...I also think JFK was assassinated by forces within his own government for sounding like a fuckin' pinko commie, not because crazy lives in Dallas....and let's not make any mistake, crazy does live in Dallas.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Okay based on that last one at some point we started talking about different things. I don't deny that you have to send China the blueprints for things you want them to build whether it's a Ninja Turtle, an IPad or parts for an F-16. Of course you do, the worker bees need at least some of that information in order to do that work. And it's cheaper to get much of this stuff done overseas than it is in the states.

Research and Development however refers to the actual researching of new technologies and developing them into products. Those are not worker bee jobs. Those are leader jobs and are located whereever it is you park your big brain people. Which for US companies doesn't seem to normally be China. Turns out that RnD costs are fairily similar no matter where you park em because your super egg head nerd is gonna charge you US wages no matter where you put him. . .plus he's likely to demand more money if you try to put him someplace that he doesn't like and most of them are difficult to replace.

Of course China getting their hands on the wrong stuff would allow them to reverse engineer things they don't already have. I presume that they already have done that and that while us sending our shit to their country makes it easier I'd be shocked if there aren't operatives right now in NASA taking pictures and sending shit back. Let's put it this way. . .aside from the craziest of the Right Wing Loonies (I mean the ones so crazy that BusyBody looks at them and goes "WAIT, you think wot?") Nobody thinks Obama started the spying program in Germany we got busted for. Whether or not it was his fault we got caught or just dumb luck doesn't matter. Everybody is spying on everybody and I see little reason to think corporations (which is what the OP seems to be talking about though they are admittedly all over the fucking place) are any different. Sony has guys in Apple, Apple has guys in Microsoft, Microsoft has guys in Nintendo, and that one asshole tried to get Charlie to sneak an everlasting gobstopper out of Willy Wonka's Factory! Oh and Dennis Nedry was trying to get dinosaur DNA off Isla Sorna! I consider that so par for the course that I'm more dissapointed in you for getting caught than I am mad you did it.

I don't know what I think about JFK other than it seems damn unlikely from the data I've seen that it was done with one bullet. According to the scores Oswald was a slightly worse shot than me. At least on paper. Maybe like me he was a bit lazy or careless and better than the paper shows. At this point Dead is Dead. We'll know if Commie Presidents get killed if Bernie wins. I'd probably keep Bernie and the Pope separate though. They might have the same effect on each other that black folks do on the Walking Dead. . .and don't get me started on Fear the Walking Dead.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Okay based on that last one at some point we started talking about different things. I don't deny that you have to send China the blueprints for things you want them to build whether it's a Ninja Turtle, an IPad or parts for an F-16. Of course you do, the worker bees need at least some of that information in order to do that work. And it's cheaper to get much of this stuff done overseas than it is in the states.

Research and Development however refers to the actual researching of new technologies and developing them into products. Those are not worker bee jobs. Those are leader jobs and are located whereever it is you park your big brain people. Which for US companies doesn't seem to normally be China. Turns out that RnD costs are fairily similar no matter where you park em because your super egg head nerd is gonna charge you US wages no matter where you put him. . .plus he's likely to demand more money if you try to put him someplace that he doesn't like and most of them are difficult to replace.

That's all I'm saying. and you're right.

You were talking about sending jobs I was talking about sending the good info.

Of course China getting their hands on the wrong stuff would allow them to reverse engineer things they don't already have. I presume that they already have done that and that while us sending our shit to their country makes it easier I'd be shocked if there aren't operatives right now in NASA taking pictures and sending shit back. Let's put it this way. . .aside from the craziest of the Right Wing Loonies (I mean the ones so crazy that BusyBody looks at them and goes "WAIT, you think wot?") Nobody thinks Obama started the spying program in Germany we got busted for. Whether or not it was his fault we got caught or just dumb luck doesn't matter. Everybody is spying on everybody and I see little reason to think corporations (which is what the OP seems to be talking about though they are admittedly all over the fucking place) are any different. Sony has guys in Apple, Apple has guys in Microsoft, Microsoft has guys in Nintendo, and that one asshole tried to get Charlie to sneak an everlasting gobstopper out of Willy Wonka's Factory! Oh and Dennis Nedry was trying to get dinosaur DNA off Isla Sorna! I consider that so par for the course that I'm more dissapointed in you for getting caught than I am mad you did it.

I don't know what I think about JFK other than it seems damn unlikely from the data I've seen that it was done with one bullet. According to the scores Oswald was a slightly worse shot than me. At least on paper. Maybe like me he was a bit lazy or careless and better than the paper shows. At this point Dead is Dead. We'll know if Commie Presidents get killed if Bernie wins. I'd probably keep Bernie and the Pope separate though. They might have the same effect on each other that black folks do on the Walking Dead. . .and don't get me started on Fear the Walking Dead.

LOL Busy is that crazy.....


Oh just watched a documentary about it, total conspiracy action.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Your right. BB is that far gone. I was trying to be nice. Still there are degrees of crazy and I think even most of the nut bags are better than THAT.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I gotta admire your faith in humanity .....LOL

 

[Sean Renaud]

Sometimes I get optimistic. Or maybe it's I see Hogan floating around and think clarly it's not the being Conservative part that makes you stupid. Hell S.E. Cupp has apparently grown a brain. . .or most of one. She's still got some batty ideas floating around but who doesn't?