Iraq agrees to accept weapons inspections without condition

[MunchinMark]

Actually there is a point there about the UN. And to my surprise, President Bush referred to it in his speech the other day. The idea is that the UN has the ability to use sanctions and force to enforce its resolutions. At the present time everybody, including the security council prefer appeasement to armed force and sanctions do not seem very effective.

Of course I am not saying that gung-ho militancy is a good thing. Even amongst the strong feelings here a year ago I advised caution rather than bombing. But the UN is starting to appear frighteningly like the League of Nations, its predecessor which failed to avert another world war.

And Bush referred to that possibility by saying that America would pursue its goals on its own if need be.

If UN resolutions are not enforced then the UN will fail and there will be a big war. So it is not hypocritical, it is vital.

 

[Bob Waters]

Get rid of ambiguity, and things get done.

Except they will not let inspectors in:

Private homes
Hospitals
Schools
Government buildings

(no lie)

It is open inspection of Military Facilities only.

Riiiiiiight. That glowing silo? It's a school. Sorry, can't go in there.

 

[HeavyStick]

bump

 

[Dixon Carter Lee]

I'll do you one better. 20$ says no Weapon Inspector sets foot in Iraq.

Get that twenty ready.

 

[Guest]

 

[busybody..]

If these inspectors go in.........

will they ever get out?

If Iraq does have WMDs, then they have lied all this time.....

Then war is inevitable........

Will Iraq then hold these inspectors as human shields???????

 

[zipman]

Re: The voice of sanity

Well, I guess there should be one small voice of sanity in this otherwise dismal wasteland of a thread. Enforcing UN resolutions is of course blatant hypocrisy. Israel has defied plenty of UN resolutions, and the U.S. rewards it with military aid. For that matter, Reagan defied the World Court judgment against the U.S. for mining Micaragua's harbors. The U.S. government invokes international law when it's convenient; ignores it when that suits its interests.

What this is really all about, of course, is controlling the vast oil reserves of the Middle East and U.S. global hegemony.

The real question is...

Who is the real poster and who is the troll, or rather, is REDWAVE a character that Don K. Dyck uses or is Don K. Dyck a character that REDWAVE uses.

Because surely there can't be two people with this much of a singular, paranoid focus in the world.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: The voice of sanity

Because surely there can't be two people with this much of a singular, paranoid focus in the world.

There are Zip. In fact, I believe they replicate expotentially.

 

[bluespoke]

Re: Re: Re: The voice of sanity

In fact, I believe they replicate expotentially.

Filthy swines! There should be a law against that!

 

[busybody..]

ZIPMAN.......I found some more crazies for you!

http://www.calpatriot.org/
Pre-schoolers protest possible war in Iraq
Allegations of exploitation arise

By Steve Sexton



They still believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. They don’t know how to spell their last names or tie their own shoes. But they do know that “war is bad,” and that “Bush is a bully.”

The next generation of Berkeley peaceniks gathered on the steps of City Hall Tuesday to demonstrate their opposition to a pending war in Iraq- after school, of course. Armed with protest signs, microphones, and Harry Potter lunch-boxes, elementary and pre-school children demanded city leaders contact President Bush and halt his hawkish “war for oil.”

Two hundred students from Berkeley schools met local dignitaries, including Mayor Shirley Dean, city council members and a representative for Congresswoman Barbara Lee, D-Berkeley. Surrounding a ‘peace bell’ fashioned out of melted guns taken off of East Bay streets, children took to the microphone saying, “I don’t want people to die,” and, “we can’t keep killing each other. Then we will all die and suffer.”

Though most students at the rally could not even name Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, many seemed certain the pending U.S. led war in Iraq is about oil.

Celia, age 6, who could not spell her hyphenated last name, told the crowd President Bush “wants to make war because he wants oil.”

“What is so important about cars anyway,” she asked.

Later, when asked if she could name the president of Iraq, Celia, stumped, turned to a friend and asked, “Is it a boy or a girl?” Her friend, equally puzzled, responded, “I think it’s a boy.”

Noah, who declined to give his last name, also age six, asserted the looming war is not only about oil, but also “other things, like Bush wanting land.”

“It is like us squashing ants,” he said.

With city officials looking on, the children sang a song about “peace in the world-that means no fighting.” They held colorful homemade signs calling for peace and no war. One boy had a blue bumper sticker emblazoned on the front of his t-shirt that read: “War in Iraq: NO.” Another held a sign saying, “No War on Children.” With her mother holding a bullhorn, one child shouted a chant for peace across the City Hall plaza, as if taking cue from UC Berkeley students on Sproul Plaza.

The delegation of city leaders addressed the amassed children, telling them “we heard your message.” Berkeley City Councilmember Linda Maio said, “We hear it loud and clear. Bush needs a time-out.”

The elected leaders then signed a pledge to call President Bush and tell him “children want peace” and to urge him to “use words to resolve conflicts as we are learning.”

The rally was organized through several Berkeley pre-schools that pride themselves on their alternative curriculum. At New School, academics are set aside for physical activities like yoga. And at Berkwood Hedge, a private K-5 school with 115 students, the curriculum focuses largely on issues of social justice. This year’s theme at the school is peace. Students in after school programs at public elementary schools in the city also comprised the congregation of young peace protesters.

Sandy Morrill, mother of a seven year old at Berkwood Hedge, accompanied her son to the protest, saying it is important for the children to have a voice in politics.

“This is what they’ve been learning at school,” she said. “They have been taught about conflict resolution, and here they see it in action. The kids get to wrestle with bigger questions.”

Director of New School in Berkeley Susan Hagen said the children are “very concerned about what is going on in the world.” “They don’t want war. We teach them about talking, discussion, and negotiation.”

But Skyler Johnson, 5, hadn’t learned much about the conflict in Iraq. When he was asked who is the President of Iraq, he shrugged his shoulders and said, “My mom might know.” After she came over and gave him little coaching, he was able to muster, “We don’t want war. Oil kills lots of people.”

The rally, which seemed a logical extension of classroom learning to organizers, struck Berkeley College Republicans Treasurer Andrea Irvin as exploiting the children for their parents’ political beliefs.

“It is incredible that these parents are using their children to advance their political agendas,” she said. “That these teachers are indoctrinating the young children is unconscionable. They are using the kids as puppets.”

Mayor Dean said she didn’t think the rally was exploitive though. She said the kids instinctively know about solving conflicts. “They know the best way to do it is to talk things out,” she said.

The rally ended after an hour with students ringing the peace bell and then marching back to their schools waving their signs.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

Can anyone else visualize Dubya pitching a hissy fit when he found out?

"Now dagnabbit, whatcha mean I got to wait till I blow the h e double hockey sticks outta them oily bastards? I promised daddy I'd avenge his honor before Thanksgiving. I got a mandate to kill last week I tell ya."

well it is at least funny to visualize...

 

[miles]

Re: The voice of sanity

Well, I guess there should be one small voice of sanity in this otherwise dismal wasteland of a thread. Enforcing UN resolutions is of course blatant hypocrisy. Israel has defied plenty of UN resolutions, and the U.S. rewards it with military aid. For that matter, Reagan defied the World Court judgment against the U.S. for mining Micaragua's harbors. The U.S. government invokes international law when it's convenient; ignores it when that suits its interests.

What this is really all about, of course, is controlling the vast oil reserves of the Middle East and U.S. global hegemony.

You know, that makes a lot of sense. Interesting.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

Miles, everyone on occasion, from Forest Gump to Red, has a momentary laspe out of idiocy.

I am sure his clarity will be short lived.

 

[miles]

Actually, his post was very insightful. The US is guilty on this count.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

I agree, it was insightful along with being legible to boot. He was correct on each and every count. The question that begs to be asked however, how long will that last?

 

[zipman]

Re: ZIPMAN.......I found some more crazies for you!

http://www.calpatriot.org/
Pre-schoolers protest possible war in Iraq
Allegations of exploitation arise

By Steve Sexton



They still believe in the Tooth Fairy and Santa Claus. They don’t know how to spell their last names or tie their own shoes. But they do know that “war is bad,” and that “Bush is a bully.”

The next generation of Berkeley peaceniks gathered on the steps of City Hall Tuesday to demonstrate their opposition to a pending war in Iraq- after school, of course. Armed with protest signs, microphones, and Harry Potter lunch-boxes, elementary and pre-school children demanded city leaders contact President Bush and halt his hawkish “war for oil.”

Two hundred students from Berkeley schools met local dignitaries, including Mayor Shirley Dean, city council members and a representative for Congresswoman Barbara Lee, D-Berkeley. Surrounding a ‘peace bell’ fashioned out of melted guns taken off of East Bay streets, children took to the microphone saying, “I don’t want people to die,” and, “we can’t keep killing each other. Then we will all die and suffer.”

Though most students at the rally could not even name Iraqi President Saddam Hussein, many seemed certain the pending U.S. led war in Iraq is about oil.

Celia, age 6, who could not spell her hyphenated last name, told the crowd President Bush “wants to make war because he wants oil.”

“What is so important about cars anyway,” she asked.

Later, when asked if she could name the president of Iraq, Celia, stumped, turned to a friend and asked, “Is it a boy or a girl?” Her friend, equally puzzled, responded, “I think it’s a boy.”

Noah, who declined to give his last name, also age six, asserted the looming war is not only about oil, but also “other things, like Bush wanting land.”

“It is like us squashing ants,” he said.

With city officials looking on, the children sang a song about “peace in the world-that means no fighting.” They held colorful homemade signs calling for peace and no war. One boy had a blue bumper sticker emblazoned on the front of his t-shirt that read: “War in Iraq: NO.” Another held a sign saying, “No War on Children.” With her mother holding a bullhorn, one child shouted a chant for peace across the City Hall plaza, as if taking cue from UC Berkeley students on Sproul Plaza.

The delegation of city leaders addressed the amassed children, telling them “we heard your message.” Berkeley City Councilmember Linda Maio said, “We hear it loud and clear. Bush needs a time-out.”

The elected leaders then signed a pledge to call President Bush and tell him “children want peace” and to urge him to “use words to resolve conflicts as we are learning.”

The rally was organized through several Berkeley pre-schools that pride themselves on their alternative curriculum. At New School, academics are set aside for physical activities like yoga. And at Berkwood Hedge, a private K-5 school with 115 students, the curriculum focuses largely on issues of social justice. This year’s theme at the school is peace. Students in after school programs at public elementary schools in the city also comprised the congregation of young peace protesters.

Sandy Morrill, mother of a seven year old at Berkwood Hedge, accompanied her son to the protest, saying it is important for the children to have a voice in politics.

“This is what they’ve been learning at school,” she said. “They have been taught about conflict resolution, and here they see it in action. The kids get to wrestle with bigger questions.”

Director of New School in Berkeley Susan Hagen said the children are “very concerned about what is going on in the world.” “They don’t want war. We teach them about talking, discussion, and negotiation.”

But Skyler Johnson, 5, hadn’t learned much about the conflict in Iraq. When he was asked who is the President of Iraq, he shrugged his shoulders and said, “My mom might know.” After she came over and gave him little coaching, he was able to muster, “We don’t want war. Oil kills lots of people.”

The rally, which seemed a logical extension of classroom learning to organizers, struck Berkeley College Republicans Treasurer Andrea Irvin as exploiting the children for their parents’ political beliefs.

“It is incredible that these parents are using their children to advance their political agendas,” she said. “That these teachers are indoctrinating the young children is unconscionable. They are using the kids as puppets.”

Mayor Dean said she didn’t think the rally was exploitive though. She said the kids instinctively know about solving conflicts. “They know the best way to do it is to talk things out,” she said.

The rally ended after an hour with students ringing the peace bell and then marching back to their schools waving their signs.

Thanks! I guess the message here is that REDWAVE and Donkeydick both have the same intellectual capacity as a 6 year old. That is such a great post Busybody! Thanks again, made my day!

 

[lavender]

 

[HeavyStick]

Actually, REDWAVE's post is somewhat sane. There is some validity (although I disagree with some points) to what he is saying.

then it has to be a cut and paste.

 

[brokenbrainwave]

then it has to be a cut and paste.

this cant be it. Manu banned him from sharp objects and the paste is all dried out after he left the lid off...he sniffed way to much last time and forgot.

 

[Spinaroonie]

Get that twenty ready.

I want one too.

To Saddam I say "Well played, Clerks".

 

[HeavyStick]

Under a strict timetable, Iraq now has until Dec. 8 to declare all its chemical, biological and nuclear programs. In the meantime, inspectors will have until Dec. 23 to begin their work and must report to the Security Council 60 days later. However, the resolution orders inspectors to immediately notify the council of any Iraqi infraction that could be considered a “material breach” of its obligations to disarm itself of weapons of mass destruction.

complete article

http://www.msnbc.com/news/821736.asp