Inhuman Interactions

[Colleen Thomas]

No, this is -not- a beastiality thread.

I write and read a great deal of fantasy and science fiction literature. In many of these stories, characters have friendships, loves, and sexual relations with non-human characters. However, in most of these stories, the "other race relations" are primarily humanoid: elves, vulcans, minbari, faeries, nymphs, satyrs, fauns, cyborgs, etc.

What of intimacy between a human and an actual non-human? Human-dragon, human-insectoid, human-water spirit, etc.

What totally non-human lover would you find most interesting to read or write about? How would you handle such things? What would be the complications beyond the obvious appendage-orafice issues?

The obvious problem for me is the issue of meaning. Sex, even beween humans, when there is absolutely no emotive connotation is pretty bland. I've used love, between humanoid species and horro, between humans and huge alien slugs. But the big question for me, in any sci-fi/fantasy pairing is what emotions are driving the act? Obviously, procration could be driving the ailen species, just a basic animalistic brain drive, but how does the human participant view it? How does he/she react? What emotions are touched? That's always the trick for me. To have emotional context in an act that may not really fit any emotions we are used to writing about in the sex act.

 

[3113]

there is this barrier, confusion, cultural and biological difference so essential that it makes the physical act of love impossible... aka, that she would kill and eat her mate, and thereby she would not wish to take this human as a mate... a most curious conundrom!

Yeah, and what's the human going to do? Some people will say, to another whom they love, that they'd "die" for them, or that they "can't live without them." So maybe the human's p.o.v. changes to that of the spider, feeling that dying is worth it, so long as he gets this one chance at love with her...while the Spider's p.o.v. changes to not wanting him to die...

I've no idea where you'd go with such a story or how you'd end it.

Sorry to ramble, that one was just fascinating... and that's a stretch for me since the few creatures I really really get spooked by are spiders.

That's an interesting thing I've noticed, too. Some writers will use human/alien interaction to deal with phobias. I have a snake phobia (lizards included) and I notice that a lot of my aliens tend to be serpentine or lizard-like.

We're often most fascinated by what we most fear.

 

[Remec]

What of intimacy between a human and an actual non-human? Human-dragon, human-insectoid, human-water spirit, etc.

What totally non-human lover would you find most interesting to read or write about? How would you handle such things? What would be the complications beyond the obvious appendage-orafice issues?

Assuming your spirits aren't anthropormorphic, I would say that those issues are the first and foremost; but, bypassing them for now, I would say the most prominent is coming to terms with avoiding the balck widow/praying mantis sort of relatioonship. Many of these classical creatures are either heavily carnivorous or omnivorous, and having a relationship with one brings a new meaning to "playing with one's food". *g*

Also, even though we're looking at fantastical creatures, without there being at least a semblance of human form in some fashion, what really makes the sexual contact not count as bestiality? Aren't dragons, in the long run, simply really large, magical lizards? Shelob is a total uber she-spider from Hell (well, Mordor anyways), but she's still a she-spider when you come right down to it.

 

[3113]

Also, even though we're looking at fantastical creatures, without there being at least a semblance of human form in some fashion, what really makes the sexual contact not count as bestiality?

Shhhh! (Whispering) There is no difference, but don't let anyone hear you. We don't want them taking away the "non-human," etc. categories. There's no where else to explore that, er, kind of sexual contact.

Honestly, the only argument is one already said, that with an alien (or unicorn or dragon) the creature has the ability to communicate its own desire to engage in sexual contact. As compared to, say, sheep who usually just stand there and get surprised.

Then again, I have been reliably informed that there are creatures that--confused or perhaps just horny--do make overtures to humans on that score. Dolphins, for example. My favorite was the story of a condor, not the brightest of creatures, and ones who do imprint. Having been raised by a humans, it tried very hard to mate with its female handler under the mistaken assumption (one believes) that he was a homo sapien. His handlers eventually introduced him to a female condor and the joys of being a raptor.

 

[Kev H]

Shhhh! (Whispering) As compared to, say, sheep who usually just stand there and get surprised.

It's disturbingly funny that you should say this with such confidence. Thanks for sharing.

 

[CharleyH]

No, this is -not- a beastiality thread.

I write and read a great deal of fantasy and science fiction literature. In many of these stories, characters have friendships, loves, and sexual relations with non-human characters. However, in most of these stories, the "other race relations" are primarily humanoid: elves, vulcans, minbari, faeries, nymphs, satyrs, fauns, cyborgs, etc.

What of intimacy between a human and an actual non-human? Human-dragon, human-insectoid, human-water spirit, etc.

What totally non-human lover would you find most interesting to read or write about? How would you handle such things? What would be the complications beyond the obvious appendage-orafice issues?

I am a lover of sci-fi, but can't bring myself to non-human sex beyond things I imagine - though I must say I had a bit of a whim once in writing a uni-tit challenge and mad up my own horrid creatures. Perhaps in sci-fi, I am a realist and believe that the only way life is produced in other galaxies kind of works like ours? I think there are many sci-fi enthusiasts who might think different - but the beauty of sci-fi is to play with something beyond new.

Thinking here - I think I heard a trek writer once say that you must give new things to an audience, but never give too much that they (audience) has to think about? It gets away from the story (Idid not say it - just recalling!).

 

[HappyLlama]

I'll stick to my own kind.
There is something about a nicely turned hoof.
And a fluffy tail.....

* llama drool*

 

[CharleyH]

I'll stick to my own kind.
There is something about a nicely turned hoof.
And a fluffy tail.....

* llama drool*

It would be interesting to read sci-fi fantasies. There really needs to be more written on Lit about horror and sci-fi issues. I am not opposed to hooves, or horror, but am never sure, as a writer, what Sci-fi Sex is, other than in my mind. What is it to you?

 

[Guest]

It would be interesting to read sci-fi fantasies. There really needs to be more written on Lit about horror and sci-fi issues. I am not opposed to hooves, or horror, but am never sure, as a writer, what Sci-fi Sex is, other than in my mind. What is it to you?

Don't ask me about sci-fi.. I don't know.

Horror, however, I'll take a stab at.

To me, horror is different elements that come together in such a way that your breath speeds and heart slows. An excellent example of Erotic Horror on Lit is TylerH's "Jack Be Nimble" series.

Erotic Horror is blood and violence being part of, or even taking the place of, the sex. It's the raw, graphic heart of a primitive instinct that says "MINE!" being unleashed and grabbing what it wants. It's sweat, tears, bodliy fluids and lust wrapped up into a candy-coated yummy crunch.

It's attempting to appease your lover by bringing him an armload of rosebushes, only to have him shove the garden trowel through your chest in a fit of rage, and then fall weeping on your bleeding body in despair. It's overdosing on opium because you think he's left you for eternity, only to have him find you trying to throw yourself of the roof and shatter the heavens with his scream, tear you apart with fury and betrayal, and oh-so-gently gather up the pieces and sex them back together.

It's all the things you don't want in love...

And everything you sometimes need.

 

[Kev H]

Erotic Horror is blood and violence being part of, or even taking the place of, the sex. It's the raw, graphic heart of a primitive instinct that says "MINE!" being unleashed and grabbing what it wants. It's sweat, tears, bodliy fluids and lust wrapped up into a candy-coated yummy crunch.

It's attempting to appease your lover by bringing him an armload of rosebushes, only to have him shove the garden trowel through your chest in a fit of rage, and then fall weeping on your bleeding body in despair. It's overdosing on opium because you think he's left you for eternity, only to have him find you trying to throw yourself of the roof and shatter the heavens with his scream, tear you apart with fury and betrayal, and oh-so-gently gather up the pieces and sex them back together.

It's all the things you don't want in love...

And everything you sometimes need.

'Shadow, if you are trying to scare me, you are doing a good job of it.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Shhhh! (Whispering) There is no difference, but don't let anyone hear you. We don't want them taking away the "non-human," etc. categories. There's no where else to explore that, er, kind of sexual contact.

Honestly, the only argument is one already said, that with an alien (or unicorn or dragon) the creature has the ability to communicate its own desire to engage in sexual contact. As compared to, say, sheep who usually just stand there and get surprised.

Then again, I have been reliably informed that there are creatures that--confused or perhaps just horny--do make overtures to humans on that score. Dolphins, for example. My favorite was the story of a condor, not the brightest of creatures, and ones who do imprint. Having been raised by a humans, it tried very hard to mate with its female handler under the mistaken assumption (one believes) that he was a homo sapien. His handlers eventually introduced him to a female condor and the joys of being a raptor.

I'll quibble. I don't think the difference is just consent; it's informed consent. It's the capacity not only to experience sexual excitement, but to comprehend at some intellectual and emotional ramifications. I'd call having sex with an evidently willing animal (condor, dolphin, etc.) morally wrong in the same way that having sex with a mentally incapacitated human would be morally wrong. I would understand a great deal more about the action and its ramifications than my partner, and would essentially be using him/her as a masturbation aid rather than an actual person.

Shanglan

 

[kendo1]

But the *Kpath/* from Sirius B would enjoy it.
They'd eat you afterwards, though.

 

[BlackShanglan]

"ISK, THEY DO BEST! YOU NO GOT FIVE ISK, YOU NO DO IT RIGHT. ONLY NEED THREE BUT WHO WANT STOP THERE? HEEHEEHEE!"

Why not, indeed?

 

[HappyLlama]

Why indeed?

 

[3113]

I'd call having sex with an evidently willing animal (condor, dolphin, etc.) morally wrong in the same way that having sex with a mentally incapacitated human would be morally wrong.

On behalf of the aggressive dolphin, I take offence! I think he was fully aware of the intellectual and emotional ramification of having sex with another creature ALMOST as mentally sophistocated as its own species. I imagine, on being rejected, that the Dolphin's opinon was something like, "Hey, babe, your loss! Once you've had Dolphin, you'll never want homo sapien! Maybe next time."

The condor, on the other hand, had to be let down gently.

 

[BlackShanglan]

The condor, on the other hand, had to be let down gently.

*bangs head on deak*

Honestly, the heartfelt groans are merely appreciation of the joke.