Inhuman Interactions

[artisticbiguy]

No, this is -not- a beastiality thread.

I write and read a great deal of fantasy and science fiction literature. In many of these stories, characters have friendships, loves, and sexual relations with non-human characters. However, in most of these stories, the "other race relations" are primarily humanoid: elves, vulcans, minbari, faeries, nymphs, satyrs, fauns, cyborgs, etc.

What of intimacy between a human and an actual non-human? Human-dragon, human-insectoid, human-water spirit, etc.

What totally non-human lover would you find most interesting to read or write about? How would you handle such things? What would be the complications beyond the obvious appendage-orafice issues?

 

[rgraham666]

Interesting you should mention Minbari.

I've still got it bad for Delenn.

And as I've said so many times before, B5 is my all time favourite television show.

 

[Guest]

No, this is -not- a beastiality thread.

I write and read a great deal of fantasy and science fiction literature. In many of these stories, characters have friendships, loves, and sexual relations with non-human characters. However, in most of these stories, the "other race relations" are primarily humanoid: elves, vulcans, minbari, faeries, nymphs, satyrs, fauns, cyborgs, etc.

What of intimacy between a human and an actual non-human? Human-dragon, human-insectoid, human-water spirit, etc.

What totally non-human lover would you find most interesting to read or write about? How would you handle such things? What would be the complications beyond the obvious appendage-orafice issues?

Well, keep in mind, not all creatures -think- like humans. A dragon, for instance, would most certainly have a different viewpoint of the world. Can you imagine, say, having a telepathic link to a dragon (and adding a whole new aspect to the term mindfuck, as some appendage orifice pairing just DON'T work) and introducing your new life partner to your lovably cuddly mother?

"Hmm... what juicy thighs she has" would be a most disturbing jolt... as humans don't think of other humans as food. Usually.

Point out the absurd and extend it into the relationship. If you want to know why a relationship between... Joe Blow and Barney the dinosaur won't work... ask a six to ten year old.

 

[artisticbiguy]

Well, keep in mind, not all creatures -think- like humans. A dragon, for instance, would most certainly have a different viewpoint of the world. Can you imagine, say, having a telepathic link to a dragon (and adding a whole new aspect to the term mindfuck, as some appendage orifice pairing just DON'T work) and introducing your new life partner to your lovably cuddly mother?

"Hmm... what juicy thighs she has" would be a most disturbing jolt... as humans don't think of other humans as food. Usually.

Point out the absurd and extend it into the relationship. If you want to know why a relationship between... Joe Blow and Barney the dinosaur won't work... ask a six to ten year old.

LOLOLOL Oh, the barney reference is so WRONG!

As for the dragon relationship, however... well, I've seen some interesting versions of that relationship... seldom sexual, but soul mated is not uncommon. I myself have an unfinished work about a dragon & man pairing... the dragon could, being a magical entity, shape shift and take human form (for the initial coupling at least), the hottest scene was when the human lover learns the secret the dragon is hiding (that he is a dragon), and convinces the dragon he is not afraid to be with him in either form... mmmmm... I suppose I need to go back and work on that one

as for the "different thinking" issue, that is what fascinates me... what would two very different beings of unrelated species find in common, become attracted to, and could they overcome the differences of thought, morals, etc.?

 

[Guest]

LOLOLOL Oh, the barney reference is so WRONG!

As for the dragon relationship, however... well, I've seen some interesting versions of that relationship... seldom sexual, but soul mated is not uncommon. I myself have an unfinished work about a dragon & man pairing... the dragon could, being a magical entity, shape shift and take human form (for the initial coupling at least), the hottest scene was when the human lover learns the secret the dragon is hiding (that he is a dragon), and convinces the dragon he is not afraid to be with him in either form... mmmmm... I suppose I need to go back and work on that one

as for the "different thinking" issue, that is what fascinates me... what would two very different beings of unrelated species find in common, become attracted to, and could they overcome the differences of thought, morals, etc.?

That would entirely depend on how you chose to portray the nonhuman entity. Perhaps the dragon was attracted to the evil sorceror for the promise of greater power and riches, and death, destruction and terror are the common ground to start from.

And then again... perhaps it's a chance encounter between a faerie (human element) and a luna moth one moonlit night, and all that connects them is that they're in love with the fall of the moon's light on their and each other wings. (That has some really awesome stroke potential, I just realized...) Hmm... you did it again. Must go jot something down...

 

[artisticbiguy]

That would entirely depend on how you chose to portray the nonhuman entity. Perhaps the dragon was attracted to the evil sorceror for the promise of greater power and riches, and death, destruction and terror are the common ground to start from.

And then again... perhaps it's a chance encounter between a faerie (human element) and a luna moth one moonlit night, and all that connects them is that they're in love with the fall of the moon's light on their and each other wings. (That has some really awesome stroke potential, I just realized...) Hmm... you did it again. Must go jot something down...

heheheheh.

I hosted an "alien sex" discussion at a writing convention once. We had an interesting panel. It was quite fun.

In that one, I had a scene where two creatures are going at it, lost in heat of mating season, and then you realize they are squids, their limbs entwined, one biting at the other to make an opening to deposit his semen. and it is being "experienced" by a marine biologist, in the future, where they use empathy and telepathy to study other life forms.

The scene ends with her hot and bothered, and looking at one of the other marine biologists... I never decided whether she jumped him or not

 

[BlackShanglan]

as for the "different thinking" issue, that is what fascinates me... what would two very different beings of unrelated species find in common, become attracted to, and could they overcome the differences of thought, morals, etc.?

I think that that is the part that facinates me. Possibly it's my interest in passion and conflict that sends me that route so often; the more obstacles my characters have to overcome, the more powerful their passion has to be to get them there - or so it would be if I could write the damned things better. I think that's why I nearly always throw my characters some very major obstacle to overcome in the area of a "wrong" partner - if not wrong species, then wrong gender, social class, or what have you.

It's not always the same thing for me, though. I think I'm doing different things in "Will" than I am in the werewolf piece in progress. Both have certain themes in common; working with non-human and non-humanoid characters lets one emphasize themes like difference or isolation to a high degree. Animals also seem to fit well into some types of character relationships; if one is attempting to incorporate an ideal of utter and idealized devotion, some animal-human relationships seem to me to embody those concepts well. But in other ways different animals feel very different to me. A horse means quite different things to me than a wolf, and so they have different purposes in their stories and different likelihoods of being resolved. I think that that is one of the great central appeals of animal characters, as well: they have symolic depth and power, and communicate that easily to most people. D. H. Lawrence's works are crammed with animals, and so are fairy tales. They seem to speak to us on a primal level, and that makes them good tools in writing.

But then, I may be biased.

Shanglan

(Oh, edited to add - I recognize that my own stories have a particular bias in that they tend to involve non-humans that need to be with humans for various reasons; the only real way out of their isolation is to embrace humanity, which I suppose is an amusing comment on the author's own mental state.)

 

[impressive]

What of intimacy between a human and an actual non-human? Human-dragon, human-insectoid, human-water spirit, etc.

What totally non-human lover would you find most interesting to read or write about? How would you handle such things? What would be the complications beyond the obvious appendage-orafice issues?

Haven't thought much about it ... but I'm pretty sure I'd settle on something feline as I've always felt an affinity.

 

[oggbashan]

I have written a few:

Tripletit - but the three-breasted giant women are almost human except for the way they become pregnant;

Christmas Fairy - size isn't everything; and

The Giant Squid - My take on tentacle porn.

Og

 

[artisticbiguy]

I have written a few:

Tripletit - but the three-breasted giant women are almost human except for the way they become pregnant;

Christmas Fairy - size isn't everything; and

The Giant Squid - My take on tentacle porn.

Og

EEEEE! (running and hiding) NO TENTACLE PORN! (it is far too prevailant in anime for my tastes)

 

[oggbashan]

EEEEE! (running and hiding) NO TENTACLE PORN! (it is far too prevailant in anime for my tastes)

The Giant Squid is a satire on tentacle porn...

Og

 

[artisticbiguy]

The Giant Squid is a satire on tentacle porn...

Og

*whew* okay, I am much relieved..... satire about tentacle porn may be quite interesting indeed.

 

[Kev H]

Haven't thought much about it ... but I'm pretty sure I'd settle on something feline as I've always felt an affinity.

So, I'm really curious what people think is the line between fantasy and beastiality here?

No, no. This isn't a highjack because it's clearly within the spirit he is talking about.

Anyway, I've always imagined it to be mental capacity - we need a partner with the same freedoms and choices we humans have (though freedom is an entirely wrong word that could lead to misconceptions, just don't go there). IE, I love felines too, but I don't -love- them, know what I mean? I admire their grace and their often unpredictable smarts, but I can't imagine a feline in any form that I'd find sexual (cat woman being the exception when played by Michelle, but that is for obvious reasons).

But, I know others feel differently, if you wrote it (or did) how would you (did you) justify it (outside of humor, Ogg). (And I don't think I have enough of these, so I am adding more words in parentheses.)

(Kev)

 

[impressive]

So, I'm really curious what people think is the line between fantasy and beastiality here?

No, no. This isn't a highjack because it's clearly within the spirit he is talking about.

Anyway, I've always imagined it to be mental capacity - we need a partner with the same freedoms and choices we humans have (though freedom is an entirely wrong word that could lead to misconceptions, just don't go there). IE, I love felines too, but I don't -love- them, know what I mean? I admire their grace and their often unpredictable smarts, but I can't imagine a feline in any form that I'd find sexual (cat woman being the exception when played by Michelle, but that is for obvious reasons).

But, I know others feel differently, if you wrote it (or did) how would you (did you) justify it (outside of humor, Ogg). (And I don't think I have enough of these, so I am adding more words in parentheses.)

(Kev)

I'm thinking along the lines of the movie Cat People.

 

[oggbashan]

So, I'm really curious what people think is the line between fantasy and beastiality here?

...
(Kev)

The understood Literotica definition is that beastiality, which is not allowed on Literotica, is with real animals and that fantasy is with mythical animals.

Sex with a unicorn is OK. Sex with a horse is not.

Og

 

[artisticbiguy]

So, I'm really curious what people think is the line between fantasy and beastiality here?

No, no. This isn't a highjack because it's clearly within the spirit he is talking about.

Anyway, I've always imagined it to be mental capacity - we need a partner with the same freedoms and choices we humans have (though freedom is an entirely wrong word that could lead to misconceptions, just don't go there). IE, I love felines too, but I don't -love- them, know what I mean? I admire their grace and their often unpredictable smarts, but I can't imagine a feline in any form that I'd find sexual (cat woman being the exception when played by Michelle, but that is for obvious reasons).

But, I know others feel differently, if you wrote it (or did) how would you (did you) justify it (outside of humor, Ogg). (And I don't think I have enough of these, so I am adding more words in parentheses.)

(Kev)

I, myself, look upon it basically that way. Beastiality is taking an animal with no ability to make our concept of "rational choices" and rape it... use it as an ejaculation tool. That, to me, is Beastiality.

To love a creature with an intellect that can clearly communicate with us, provide conscent, desire, love, lust... that to me would not be Beastiality....

I'm not exactly sure where Lit would draw the line.

 

[rgraham666]

I'm working on a story in which the relationship is between two avatars in a virtual reality sometime in the future.

Does that count as inhuman?

 

[Selena_Kitt]

Sex with a unicorn is OK

Even when you just exchange the word unicorn for the word dog

 

[zeb1094]

Well, keep in mind, not all creatures -think- like humans. A dragon, for instance, would most certainly have a different viewpoint of the world. Can you imagine, say, having a telepathic link to a dragon (and adding a whole new aspect to the term mindfuck, as some appendage orifice pairing just DON'T work) and introducing your new life partner to your lovably cuddly mother?

"Hmm... what juicy thighs she has" would be a most disturbing jolt... as humans don't think of other humans as food. Usually.

Point out the absurd and extend it into the relationship. If you want to know why a relationship between... Joe Blow and Barney the dinosaur won't work... ask a six to ten year old.

I think Anne McCafferies did the Human/Dragon thing the best. No they didn't have sex, but when the dragons had sex their human partners had sex, enhanced by the mind link of the Human/Dragon pairs.

 

[BlackShanglan]

Anyway, I've always imagined it to be mental capacity - we need a partner with the same freedoms and choices we humans have (though freedom is an entirely wrong word that could lead to misconceptions, just don't go there). IE, I love felines too, but I don't -love- them, know what I mean? I admire their grace and their often unpredictable smarts, but I can't imagine a feline in any form that I'd find sexual (cat woman being the exception when played by Michelle, but that is for obvious reasons).

But, I know others feel differently, if you wrote it (or did) how would you (did you) justify it (outside of humor, Ogg). (And I don't think I have enough of these, so I am adding more words in parentheses.)

(Kev)

I believe (if you don't mind a simple "second" (as opposed of course to a new theory (which you've made wholly unncessary))) that you've touched the essential issue (at least for me). Once the being has intelligence and self-awareness equal to a humans (although perhaps (for some species) substantially different in character), I think of it as no longer an animal, and the contact no longer bestiality.

(Good to see you.)

Shanglan

 

[Kev H]

(Good to see you.)

Shanglan

My, Shan, you are looking sleek and majestic these days. Hope you are as well as you look. *hands Shan a tasty sourapple, paying attention not to leave any fingers in the way*

 

[Guest]

My, Shan, you are looking sleek and majestic these days. Hope you are as well as you look. *hands Shan a tasty sourapple, paying attention not to leave any fingers in the way*

Heh... Hey Kev?


Prepare to be pounced in the best manageable Shadow ninja style...

 

[BlackShanglan]

My, Shan, you are looking sleek and majestic these days. Hope you are as well as you look. *hands Shan a tasty sourapple, paying attention not to leave any fingers in the way*

Mmmm. Flattery and apples. How can I resist? And I'm very gentle on the topic of fingers; I don't care for their flavor.

Shanglan

 

[3113]

What of intimacy between a human and an actual non-human? Human-dragon, human-insectoid, human-water spirit, etc.

What totally non-human lover would you find most interesting to read or write about? How would you handle such things? What would be the complications beyond the obvious appendage-orafice issues?

I think the primary purpose of Sci-Fi/Fantasy where there's human/non-human intimacy is to explore:
1) Different cultures (or possible human cultures) (What would it be like to make love to a tribal human--living at one with his jungle environment, no "civilized" trappings?).
2) Extreme human behavior (Mr. Spock, for example--emotions kept under wrap)
3) Exploring our fascination with all those other life-forms that inhabit our planet that we want to understand but can't. What is it like to be part of a wolf-pack? What do they feel? How do they percieve the world?

We have a really powerful need to communicate with other forms of life--and with each other. And sex is one of the most powerful ways to communicate, to be intimate and share ourselves. Also, of course, perverts that we all are, we also like to watch those nature show and gawk at how other creatures...do it! Whales for example...yikes!

We're incredibly curious to know what certain things feel like.

There was an old Jack Vance story about a human diplomat who goes out and meets all kinds of aliens. And they all want to experiment sexually with him. The motto he learns is: where there's a will, there's a way.

In truth, since neither penetration nor procreation is the aim, all the two (or many) need to do is figure out what give each other pleasure...and provide that if they can (and if it's not life threatening. I don't know if the Black Widow Spider alien is one you want to experiment with).

 

[artisticbiguy]

In truth, since neither penetration nor procreation is the aim, all the two (or many) need to do is figure out what give each other pleasure...and provide that if they can (and if it's not life threatening. I don't know if the Black Widow Spider alien is one you want to experiment with).

Wouldn't that be a fascinating piece to write though? What if love and sex are two different things for this black-widow-spider-alien? What if that race increased their genetic, evolutionary potential by "mating" with other races, assimilating the aspects they can... sort of a method of conquest? And say this alien encounters a human, and through events transpiring in unexpected ways, she comes to "love" the human... possibly they both had to cooperate to survive, making the spider and human view one another differently... and then, when they became truly, emotionally, spiritually bonded... there is this barrier, confusion, cultural and biological difference so essential that it makes the physical act of love impossible... aka, that she would kill and eat her mate, and thereby she would not wish to take this human as a mate... a most curious conundrom!

Sorry to ramble, that one was just fascinating... and that's a stretch for me since the few creatures I really really get spooked by are spiders.