Infibulation

[Etoile]

Infibulation AND Operation Spanner (two threads in one)

Infibulation means sewing, usually sewing the cunt lips together. It's practiced as a permanent or long-term form of Female Genital Mutilation in some cultures, but it's also a BDSM practice - virtually always a temporary play thing.

I find infibulation fascinating, I'm not sure why. It's always been an erotic image for me, though I've never seen one performed. I just watched a four-minute video of an infibulation, and that slave was hollering in pain. She repeatedly begged him to wait a moment because she was scared, and I can see why. After having seen that video, I'm no longer interested in being sewn up...that's just too much pain for me to want for myself! (Which is not to say I would not submit to it being done - just that I would not ask for it.)

Does anybody else have an interest in infibulation?

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Love and respect to you Etoille but I speak for myself as a firm, chiseled in stone NO.

Is it legal ?

Edit to add Though different, I can spell Episiotomy because I had one during the birth of my son. This was followed by many stitches. Yes perhaps we just strayed into the too much information zone. End of Edit

 

[Etoile]

Perfectly all right, I know it's not everyone's cup of tea!

Is it legal? That's a very interesting question. I suspect a great many BDSM practices are illegal - heck, even anal and oral are illegal in some places! Additionally, flogging is probably illegal in many places, where it is classified as a form of assault. But given that some Western countries have laws specifically prohibiting FGM, I would assume that includes kinky cunt sewing. But like flogging and anal, it's usually under the radar of law enforcement agencies.

 

[@}-}rebecca----]

Perfectly all right, I know it's not everyone's cup of tea!

Is it legal? That's a very interesting question. I suspect a great many BDSM practices are illegal - heck, even anal and oral are illegal in some places! Additionally, flogging is probably illegal in many places, where it is classified as a form of assault. But given that some Western countries have laws specifically prohibiting FGM, I would assume that includes kinky cunt sewing. But like flogging and anal, it's usually under the radar of law enforcement agencies.

Sorry I was multitasking just added an edit above Etoille.

Yes I appreciate many BDSM practices are illegal, just wondering if this strays into a similar area as some of the practises we have discussed before ( ie testicle removal ) that challenged the the premise of whether they remained consensual blah blah blah.

Etoille remember that thread ?

 

[esclave_PP]

I don't for myself personally but I do enjoy reading about it, like in the Marquis De Sade's story Justine. It is absolutely fascinating, but I can't even imagine how painful it must be. Many of my fantasies revolve around "dark" and painful ideas, and I am sure Master would be happy to indulge me, but I am just not ready. Getting pierced was painful enough lol.

 

[mcgill82ferret]

I've, seen pics of it also. Yep, looks way painful and not much fun. Nobody I know of has had it done. I think it might also be used as a form of temporary chastity in the (way) BDSM comunity.

 

[Evil_Geoff]

Yes I appreciate many BDSM practices are illegal, just wondering if this strays into a similar area as some of the practises we have discussed before ( ie testicle removal ) that challenged the premise of whether they remained consensual blah blah blah.

Unlike testicle removal/castration, which is permanent, infibulation is temporary/reversable. A form of infibulation can also be done using a medical stapler. You can see an infibulation of the upper (mouth) lips done in the movie Strangeland starring Dee Snider from the band Twisted Sister. Though most of the stuff in that movie is NOT consentual, a lot of it's still HOT!

 

[Marquis]

Unlike testicle removal/castration, which is permanent, infibulation is temporary/reversable. A form of infibulation can also be done using a medical stapler. You can see an infibulation of the upper (mouth) lips done in the movie Strangeland starring Dee Snider from the band Twisted Sister. Though most of the stuff in that movie is NOT consentual, a lot of it's still HOT!

That was a crazy fucking movie.

 

[shy slave]

It fascinates me but I would never cope with the pain aspect.

I really like the idea of having my cunt taped or fastened closed by pegs.

However it would be a temporary thing not as you have described as a permanency.

As for legal, in the UK ALL s/m play is illegal and seen as a crime.

It is not possible to consent to be hurt by another person.

It is irrelevant as to whether it is mm or mf.

Even a simple slap on the ass came is illegal.

It is one of the reasons I no longer attend the local munch, despite the website stating "We do not play," they actually do so, each and every time.
The munch is held in the back room of a pub.
If a member of the public reported it everyone would be arrested and questioned.
Personally I could without being a part of that.

Also in the UK there was a case of a wife was branded on the ass by her husband, with his initials.
She did not complain (presumably she consented), however her GP saw it and reported it.
The husband then faced charges of abuse. He got off, but this was because it was deemed in the same light as a tattoo.


I dread to think what would happen if the same GP saw cunt lips sewn up!

 

[Malaria]

wow, is that really true? I can't believe our government is still so close minded

 

[emzthebitch]

it doesnt really sound that appealing to me to be perfectly honest.

 

[mickyp123]

Infibulation means sewing, usually sewing the cunt lips together. It's practiced as a permanent or long-term form of Female Genital Mutilation in some cultures, but it's also a BDSM practice - virtually always a temporary play thing.

I find infibulation fascinating, I'm not sure why. It's always been an erotic image for me, though I've never seen one performed. I just watched a four-minute video of an infibulation, and that slave was hollering in pain. She repeatedly begged him to wait a moment because she was scared, and I can see why. After having seen that video, I'm no longer interested in being sewn up...that's just too much pain for me to want for myself! (Which is not to say I would not submit to it being done - just that I would not ask for it.)

Does anybody else have an interest in infibulation?

What about symbolically, using tape strips, i have been involved on line with that, i find the concept erotic, but not sewing anybody up, and i feel theonly way you can administer any form of punishment is by knowing how it feels yourself, obviously i have not got the same equipment lol, so some is down to suposition

 

[shy slave]

wow, is that really true? I can't believe our government is still so close minded

Yes, it is true.

Have you heard of the Spanner case?

This is not the thread to end up discussing it but several men were successfully prosecuted for engaging in sm play.

Our country (regardless of who is in Govt), is VERY closed minded on many issues, sm is only one example.

But if you are a PYL in the UK you are constantly at risk of prosecution and jail time.

Consent is not a defense.

As yet dungeons and dungeon Masters have not been to court but that is because they are a private facility/members only, and as yet no-one has reported wrong doing to the police.
I think it will happen, it is just a matter of time.

Makes you realise the risks people take to gain mental, emotional and sexual gratification.

*PYL = pick your label

 

[mickyp123]

Yes, it is true.

Have you heard of the Spanner case?

This is not the thread to end up discussing it but several men were successfully prosecuted for engaging in sm play.

Our country (regardless of who is in Govt), is VERY closed minded on many issues, sm is only one example.

But if you are a PYL in the UK you are constantly at risk of prosecution and jail time.

Consent is not a defense.

As yet dungeons and dungeon Masters have not been to court but that is because they are a private facility/members only, and as yet no-one has reported wrong doing to the police.
I think it will happen, it is just a matter of time.

Makes you realise the risks people take to gain mental, emotional and sexual gratification.

*PYL = pick your label

I do remember the "spanner" case, and i feel that control has got to be in place to protect individuals, that case was typical of thingsgoing way to far and beyond any doubt proved the need for control

 

[Never]

Etoile:
"I find infibulation fascinating, I'm not sure why. It's always been an erotic image for me, though I've never seen one performed. I just watched a four-minute video of an infibulation, and that slave was hollering in pain."

You know, I'd like to be as accurate as possible with my response. I don't suppose you happen to still.. ah, have the video?

"I'm no longer interested in being sewn up...that's just too much pain for me to want for myself! (Which is not to say I would not submit to it being done - just that I would not ask for it.)"

Not certain how interested I am in it but your response is rather arousing. It can be difficult to demarcate the enjoyment of causing pain and the enjoyment of having someone willingly taking that much pain.

 

[Etoile]

I really like the idea of having my cunt taped or fastened closed by pegs.

However it would be a temporary thing not as you have described as a permanency.

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear - infibulation in a BDSM context is always temporary. If it is permanent, then it is FGM (female genital mutilation) which is usually done to young girls in some cultures to keep them from having sex before they get married.

 

[shy slave]

I do remember the "spanner" case, and i feel that control has got to be in place to protect individuals, that case was typical of thingsgoing way to far and beyond any doubt proved the need for control

I disagree with you on this.

From what I have heard of the video tape the participants did not go too far.

How far is too far, how can that be judged

In all other areas of law, consent is consent.
It is only in sm and consent to be murdered (including assisted suicide) that consent does not apply.

We could take this to another thread, I don't want to hijack what is an interesting discussion that Etoile has started

 

[shy slave]

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear - infibulation in a BDSM context is always temporary. If it is permanent, then it is FGM (female genital mutilation) which is usually done to young girls in some cultures to keep them from having sex before they get married.

I am sorry Etoile, somehow I misunderstood.

If it is temp and people want to then I think it could be interesting.

I don't like piercings they make me wince, nor do I want to be pierced (I was 37 before I had my ears pierced and that is because my Mum made me ), however I said before the thought of having my cunt closed in a non- pierced way is a turn on.

 

[mickyp123]

I disagree with you on this.

From what I have heard of the video tape the participants did not go too far.

How far is too far, how can that be judged

In all other areas of law, consent is consent.
It is only in sm and consent to be murdered (including assisted suicide) that consent does not apply.

We could take this to another thread, I don't want to hijack what is an interesting discussion that Etoile has started

They went further than you think, trust me lol

 

[Etoile]

They went further than you think, trust me lol

Putting it that way doesn't make you sound credible. Perhaps you have a citation for that statement?

I'm going to ask the mods to split this thread, though...I have my own comments on the Spanner case, and like shy slave I would prefer not to make them here.

 

[Shankara20]

I'm sorry if I wasn't clear - infibulation in a BDSM context is always temporary. If it is permanent, then it is FGM (female genital mutilation) which is usually done to young girls in some cultures to keep them from having sex before they get married.

I saw it done at a temp piercing workshop once- needles were placed down each side of her outer lips then ribbon was laced to draw her lips together and close her off. As I remember she did not express a great deal of pain while the needles were being placed and she liked the feeling once the lacing was in place.

It looked exquisite.

 

[Etoile]

I saw it done at a temp piercing workshop once- needles were placed down each side of her outer lips then ribbon was laced to draw her lips together and close her off. As I remember she did not express a great deal of pain while the needles were being placed and she liked the feeling once the lacing was in place.

It looked exquisite.

I've seen that type done too - almost like a corset piercing on either side of the labia. I've seen it with both play piercing needles and with a ladder of rings, where a ribbon is run through on either side. It might just be me, but personally I prefer infibulation to be actual sewing - one piece of thread linking all the holes together, rather than multiple needles. It's weird how we like what we do.

I do sometimes pinch my lips together and wonder what it would be like to have them sewn, but like I said I don't think I'd ever ask for it.

(Lest people think infibulation is for girls only, I should probably mention that for men infibulation means sewing the foreskin closed over the tip of the penis. I think it's not nearly as common, perhaps because so many men in the U.S. are circumcised.)

 

[Shankara20]

I've seen that type done too - almost like a corset piercing on either side of the labia. I've seen it with both play piercing needles and with a ladder of rings, where a ribbon is run through on either side. It might just be me, but personally I prefer infibulation to be actual sewing - one piece of thread linking all the holes together, rather than multiple needles. It's weird how we like what we do.

I do sometimes pinch my lips together and wonder what it would be like to have them sewn, but like I said I don't think I'd ever ask for it.

(Lest people think infibulation is for girls only, I should probably mention that for men infibulation means sewing the foreskin closed over the tip of the penis. I think it's not nearly as common, perhaps because so many men in the U.S. are circumcised.)

I have also seen pics of men sewing the scrotum skin together to encase their penis.

I'll pass on that one....

 

[mickyp123]

Putting it that way doesn't make you sound credible. Perhaps you have a citation for that statement?

I'm going to ask the mods to split this thread, though...I have my own comments on the Spanner case, and like shy slave I would prefer not to make them here.

do you know how the name "spanner" was derived

 

[Etoile]

do you know how the name "spanner" was derived

No, I don't. Could you please tell me?

edit: Wait, found it. Apparently somebody tightened a spanner (known as a wrench in the US) around somebody's nuts. I hardly think that's going too far. In fact, from one of the camera operators, here's what happened:

"Beatings of buttocks, legs, cocks and balls with leather straps, canes, nettles etc. Hot wax being dripped onto genitals, torsos, legs etc. Play piercings of tits, scrotums, cock knobs, shafts, and foreskins. Genital application of heat (hair driers) and cold (ice cubes). Genital bondage and manipulation etc, ball weights, safe electrical play (just adaptation for electrical sexual play, of the muscle toning gear used by health clubs). Scrotal stretching and pinning out with needles etc. Nipple and cock branding."

None of which sounds like it's "going too far" to me.