incest, opinions wanted.

[Bonnie Wee Lassie]

I agree 100% with the above comment. I have a close and dear friend of mine that was raped by her step father repeatedly and now 20 years later she still can't have a normal sex life or sleep a good nites sleep without having nightmares. She has luckly found a man who loves and accepts the fact that she will probably be like this forever. She has done the therpy sessions and seen endless doctors.
So to the people out there who are interested in incest let me just say this...If this is what you want make sure the other person want it to and you are not damaging them for life with your actions and next what would it hurt if you wait until they are of consenting age?

Well this is just my opinion and like they say opinions are like assholes everyone has one!

Bonnie


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[Sinner_18]

Thanx for the advice but I'm done asking for advice from this BB. For one thing. I never get the take some time apart bullshit. What the fuck does that do? Nothing. You don't get nothing from that eccept well NOTHING!!!!!

you are still draging around the fact that i am only 18. I can tell no one will get past that here so i am going to drop it.

Its not that i don't want to here your advice.

I agree I am not the smartes person for getting involved with him. But i can't go back and change anything. You love who youlove. Why the hell would I want to take a year off from him? Does anyone in love out ther (over 18) want to spend a year away from the one they love just to see if they realy do? That shit is bullshit. If your trying to give advice to "teens" try another line. quit using the same damn ones. They don't do anything but piss us off. You expect because I am 18 the ties I have for him are anyless than the ties you people have for the ones you love? If so, open your eyes!!! What happens if durring that year one of us gets into a car accedent and dies. A year waisted is what it would be. If you are in love you would know that being away from that person is like hell. I wouldn't go through a year of that for anyone.

what i wanted was an opinion of how you feel about incest in general. NOT my situation!!!

Thanx anyways

 

[Bonnie Wee Lassie]

Excuse me but I did give you my advice and you being 18 never came to mind while giving it. I gave you my opinion about incest but that is my opinion. If you feel that this relationship is good for the both of you and your both not being hurt by it then all the power to you. You asked for the advice and if you didn't want to hear everyone's opinion then you should not have asked.
Next time you decide you want to ask expect to hear some things you may not want to.
This BB was put hear to ask people about there feelings on subjects and to share your views on the matter. I for one think it is a great way to get some help, so don't put it down if you don't like some peoples comments.

Well that's all I got to say about that!
Bonnie

 

[Laurel]

Its not that i don't want to here your advice.

No, you just want us to tell you what you want to hear. If you didn't, you wouldn't be so upset now. So, here you go - Yes, I Think It's Perfectly Wonderful That You Want To Let Your Desire To Boink Your Cousin Destroy Your Relationship With Your Family...

hehe just a joke - don't get pissed, now!

[This message has been edited by Laurel (edited 12-14-1999).]

 

[Butterfly]

Way to go Laurel!
Your right though no one has given her the answer or opinion that she wants to hear.
You ask for peoples opinion you may not get what you want to hear, but you shouldn't get nasty with the one's that are given to you.

 

[Beebeeblue]

You ask for our opinion???

My opinion is this: Been there, done that...screwed up My life...would not recommend it on any terms. And if your wondering it was not my idea...but it is a bad idea.

 

[Guest]

I think you should move in with the guy, fuck your brains out, announce your engagement and get married on New Year's Eve!! Fuck the wait a year jive & all that shit! You are soooo right that it would be lost time. You never know when your life will be over. Maybe he'll die of a knife in the back from your father, or a gunshot wound to the groin from your mother. Fuck the rest of the family, go for it!!! Incest is best...put your cousin to the test!!

 

[*Eve*]

I could never imagine having sex with my family members, and I can't really grasp whats so exciting about incest but if the people involved think there's nothing wrong with it then who am I to speak against it.

 

[Bs]

Sinner - Just you wait one GODDAMN second!!

You wanted opinions then before you give everyone a chance to post an opinion you tell us YOU DON'T WANT OUR OPINION!! Well, like it or not heres mine! And, don't read this post if you don't see what I've got to say!

Here goes, listen close I'll only write this once:


On Second thought, forget it. I'll just keep it to myself.

 

[Circe]

"All lies and jest 'til a man hears what he wants to hear, and disregards the rest."
-S&G

I think that sums up Sinner's mindset quite succinctly.

 

[Guest]

Sinner-18 In my opinion this incest thing can be pretty tricky. How does your cousin feel about you? (Or did I miss that part?). I think you should go ahead with the relationship. As you both go down this "road" you will both find out if this is what you want. Forget about that year wait stuff. Were these other people ever in love. Just don't be afraid to say enough is enough if this relationship doesn't work out. I have a couple of questions for you: 1) Why do you call yourself "Sinner"? 2) Is sex between steps incest ?

 

[Raven]

Hehehe...is it just me, or does anyone a mental picture of Sinner as a little girl bouncing up and down, popping a piece of bubble gum and saying things like 'yous guys'...probably while wearing a baby tee, cargo pants, and platform shoes.

I now realize that I really WAS mature for my age, simply for the fact that everyone told me I was, and I failed to see it. I didn't go around flaunting it, as though I were trying to convince myself it were true.

I got news for ya' little baby...this one's gonna hurt!!! Not a broken heart, just having to realize the fact that you don't know everything.

 

[Slutgirl]

I agree with most of the others, you came here wanting us to tell you what you wanted to hear, NOT our opinions. Now, if that pisses you off, sorry, it's the way it is. Here's my opinion: If you want this guy so bad, go get him. Obviously, he's very important to you. And if he's that damn important, who gives a shit what the family says?? You should put him first. I know. I didn't marry my cousin, but my folks hated my man, just the same. And because he was what was best for me, I moved 2000 miles and married him, best thing I ever did. May not work that way for everyone, though.
On the other hand, if you're so worried about how mommy and daddy will take it and what everyone will think, maybe he's not it for you. I mean, after all, my family(meaning my husband and children) come first with me, even before my parents. That's the way I think it should be. And don't talk to me about mature, I was a single mom for six years, starting when I was 14 years old. I know all about mature.


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[Slutgirl]

And one more thing. Earlier in this thread, you talked about being engaged six months ago(which in my opinion isn't that long ago.) You were so madly in love with him, NOW you're saying the same thing about this guy. Did I miss something? I mean, is this the same guy? Didn't sound like it to me. You said you'd never get over this other guy, sounds like you've done a pretty good job.

 

[Laurel]

Ah, Slutgirl has brought up an interesting point... I too could care less about my biological family (for reasons I won't go into here), so if I were in your shoes - choosing between a dude and my family - I'd probably take the dude. (Of course, if it were a choice between my family and being boiled in Wesson oil, the Wesson would look mighty attractive...) That's how you have to look at this: if the absolute worst happened, and your family completely disowned you and this guy dumped you (or vice versa) soon after, will you regret the choice you made? Will you miss your family?

If you can honestly say that you would have little or no regrets, that your family isn't a big part of your life, then I say go for it. That's what everyone's trying to say about considering the consequences... If you can live with the worst possible scenario, then it's no biggie. If, however, you cannot, but you go ahead thinking "oh, the worst will never happen, everything will turn out fine" then you're not being smart. ANYTHING can happen, even the worst.

Just some food for thought...

As for the original question about the morality of incest... Morality is a personal issue. Despite what fundamentalists think, there are very few black & white situations. You have to decide what you do and do not think is moral. I've always been with John Stuart Mill - if your actions don't harm or impede another (and "hurting someone feelings" or offending someone doesn't count as harm), then you are morally in the clear. But that's me - your mileage may vary.

However, in the real world, you can't just consider your own opinions, but also those around you. Just because a guy is fine with dressing in women's clothes doesn't mean his boss at work, his family, and his girlfriend are going to think it's cool. Morality is an abstraction - character is the act of applying morality to your everyday life. If you carefully consider your own values, the values of those around you, and the consequences of a situation, and make your decision based on those variables, you will be showing character. Good luck!

 

[PHANTOM5875]

WELL SAID and WELCOME Lasher99! You're right. It's the fantasy that we seek and relate to. Most of us do NOT want to really act on them and hurt someone that we probably care about in addition to lusting after.

MOUNTAINMAN, it sounds like you and your cousin found a way to achieve fulfillment with one another without hurting your spouses and immediate family. Hope that never changes.

PHANTOM

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[Lasher]

Hi...Long time listener, first time caller...(ummm....sorry, that's a joke, too much sports talk radio, I guess). But I have to say I'm suprised, I expected this BB to be thread after thread of "how big is your cock" and things of that nature. I hope you'll forgive for that, the vast majority of what I read hear sounds very intelligent. So let me see what I can do to change that!!(another joke....)

Ok, first, about the incest thing (and I'll never be able to run for president now, I hope you're all happy!!). I'm a big fan of the incest stories printed here, and I have to say that through my teenage years I spent a great deal of time lusting after my cousin. However, the thing you have to remember is that the stories printed here are fantasy...That's what makes them enjoyable. I think Rodrigo said something about incest between consenting adults being acceptable. How often does that happen? In the vast majority of cases incest involves a domineering parent extended his control over his family to another level. It's not about consentual sex, it's about rape and child abuse. I think we've over looked that so far. I'll continue to enjoy the incest stories here, but I'll also keep in mind why I do.

Anyways, Laurel, I just wanted to say, your family sounds an awful damn lot like mine. I spent most of the year my wife spent planning our wedding trying to figure out how not to invite them, and still seem like a nice guy. Unfortunately, I can't be done, yet somehow I managed to survive.

Sinner_18...There's two things I really remember about being 18..1) I was sure I wasn't like all the other 18 yr olds. That I was more mature, had been through things they couldn't understand, and that I was wise beyond my years....and 2) That I was overwhelmingly in love with this girl and I knew that I would be with her the rest of my life and that I couldn't live without her. And when I turned 30 there was one thing I was sure of...that when I was 18 I didn't know shit. What I have now are some wonderful memories, I stack of letters I love to read when my wife is away and I can think about how things were and they could have been, and the knowledge that had 12 great fucking years before I finally found the woman I was meant to marry. Of course you can't understand why everyone tells you to "put it on the back burner". That's the joy of being young, of being able to feel things so intensely that it physically hurts to think about being without someone. I think about things like that now and I'm so damn glad to have those years after I was 18 to live. Now I concern myself with car payments, and mortgages, and retirement planning, and getting ahead at work, all the responsiblities of being an adult. I love my wife and I love the life we have together, and I would never ever for a minute want to go back to the life I live when I was younger. But I wouldn't trade that time for anything, either.

I'm gonna kick myself for not remembering who said this, but nothing truer was ever said..."Youth is wasted on the young".

 

[Michael]

George Bernard Shaw. And he lived to be 94!

 

[Butterfly]

Welcome Lasher99, glad you could join all of us at the BB. We're a great bunch and really enjoy the camaraderie of the gang. You are so right when I was 18 (many years ago from this day)I thought I knew it all, been there done that and all. Now at my age 44 (today) I realize that I didn't know squat and glad I didn't make decisions that would have hindered my life now. But, glad I had the experience and the memories. But, Sinner-18 won't realize that until she gets older.
again welcome, I'm newer than most but love it here.

 

[Guest]

I would like to add a few comments on incest. As for incest being good or bad I feel it is on a individual basics. Each contact of this "taboo?" should be the individuals choice. Some affairs can do permenet damage others can be joyous affairs.
I`ve been in an affair for many years. My cousin was in her late teens and I was early 20`s. we are both over 50yrs. now, and still going strong and enjoying it. My cousin`s husband didn`t like sex enough to take care of her needs and the same with my wife. We took care of each others needs and still do. We love each other by being related. Our sexual love is to satisfy each others needs. We both can try anything sexual that we want to experiment with because it`s a sexual thing. If only her husband and my wife would fulfill our wants and needs this affair would of ended years ago. We both love our spouses and will remain together till death. If her husband and my wife pass on then possible we would connect permant.

 

[Laurel]

Well said, all... Here's a post from mrhappy that he couldn't get to go through:

I love that song Circe....thanks so much for reminding me of it. It kept going around in my mind and I had to dig out my old albums and play it...'li de di, li dee di di di de di, li de di....', sinner....you may be tired of all the lectures you've heard here. I'm a concerned person and understand that we learn from our mistakes. I also know that history repeats itself. So given these two likelihoods(where's the damn spellcheck on this thing?), I'll stick my unwelcome neck out and give you two experiences in my life with incest.I was very young I experimented sexually with a cousin of mine. We had a great time. We felt things we'd never felt before and we were really hung up on each other. We managed to sneak off together every chance we got. Well eventually, we were discovered by other family members and the whole affair became everybody's business. We didn't think it was anyone's business but ours. However, if something goes on in one's family, they don't really care about what the involved individuals feel, the 'business' now belongs to the collective. An entirely new mindset takes over. The same group discussing the same set of circumstances regarding people 'outside' the family will react in another manner completely.

This 'affair', 'relationship', whatever you want to call it between my cousin and I now became an 'issue' within my family. Basically all hell broke loose. There are still members of my family today who do not speak to one another as a result of 'our relationship.'situation is the literally overwhelming attraction I had for my daughter when she reached about...well let's just say late high school. I was obsessed with her. She would run around the house in next to nothing and I began to see her sexually. I thank, over and over, my ability to restrain myself from acting on my feelings and desires for my daughter. She's an extremely beautiful and intelligent woman who is now attending medical school. I'm certain she would have been totally fucked up by the experience. How do I know? Because she revealed to me and other family members two years ago that her 'stepfather' engaged her in sexual activity from the time she was...well, let's just say it would qualify as pedo, until she began menstruating. She had to go through years of psychological counseling. Part of the therapy was to tell everyone in the family what happened. I'm very thankful that she's been able to rebound from her experience. It would have been much more terrible for her If I'd acted on my impulses. Further,the world would not be getting a very good doctor. This will badly damage even the most healthy family structure. personally had no idea that this had occured in my daughter's life and she was living with me while it was going on. Part of my therapy is to read about the incest stories and even write a few so I can keep it where it best belongs...in my imagination!18,...you can choose to ignore this and I would be the last person to ever judge you and I would probably attend your wedding to your cousin. But, my experience with incest turned out badly. I thought I knew best. What possible effect could my own personal sexual activity have on the people around me? Maybe the answer is...'It shouldn't.' But I will tell you that..."it did!"

 

[Butterfly]

wow what a post laurel you said that is from MrHappy? Kudo's to you MrHappy for being strong and not acting on the feelings for your daughter, I'm sure there are many out there that may have the feelings(don't want to admit and don't act on them either or they do act on them which ever) I think it takes a strong person to admit he had the feelings but didn't act on them knowing that it would have hurt the daughter(or child which ever it maybe). Sorry to hear that your daughter had to go thru those things with her stepfather and fantastic that she has pulled thru it. Good luck to your daughter in medical school thats what the world needs is a excellent caring doctor. Hang in there!

(excuse the rambling, this gets to me so had to say something)

 

[Lasher]

Thanks for the help there, Michael. I'll be damned why I couldn't remember George Bernard Shaw. When I make my appearance on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire" I'll be sure to include you on my Lifeline list...(I wonder how many you can put on the list?? Hmm....Let's see, I could have Michael, and Stephen Hawking, and........oh, sorry.....).

Oh, and in my babbling last night I forgot to say that the "taboo" on incest is also a societal phenomenon. Sometimes we forget that not every person linked to the internet is in a white suburban upper middle class home in North America. Keep in mind that the line of succession of the royal family of Hawaii was kept strong for 1000+ years by generation after generation of brothers marrying sisters to produce an heir (and by mercilessly clubbing to death and malformed children to keep that line pure). And they were very successful until the missionaries arrived and told them how bad they were and then most of your native Hawaiians went *POOF*.

But in most cases my previous post still stands.

Damn this is fun.

 

[Guest]

 

[Guest]

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