Impeachment Thread

[JackLuis]

WATCH: Devin Nunes stunned after State Dept. official David Holmes knocks down his ‘black ledger’ conspiracy theory

Nunes asked David Holmes, who is the State Dept.’s counselor for political affairs at the U.S. Embassy in Ukraine about the “black ledger.”

That line of questioning did not go well for Nunes.

Nunes asked if Holmes had “ever heard of the black ledger.”

“I have,” Holmes replied.

“The black ledger – is that seen as ‘credible’ information?” Nunes asked.

“Yes,” Holmes responded without hesitation.

Surprised, Nunes repeated his question.

“The black ledger is credible?”

“Yes,” Holmes again replied.

Nunes did not look pleased.

“Bob Mueller did not find it credible. Do you dispute what Bob Mueller’s findings were? – They didn’t use it in the prosecution or in the report.”

“I’m not aware that Bob Mueller did not find it credible. I think it was evidence in other criminal proceedings. Its credibility was not questioned in those proceedings, but I’m not an expert on that.”

 

[Schlank]

‘Going to need a bigger police wagon’: Viewers stunned as Gordon Sondland exposes Trump’s ‘criminal syndicate’ on live TV

The Left Wing Press seems happy!



If the PeeResident wanted, "Nothing, NOTHING" from the Ukraine, WHY hold up the money?

Trump is freaking out and is totally unhinged. On the same day that Sondland threw Trump (and Giuliani, Pompeo, Perry, Pence and Mulvaney under the bus, Trump went to an Apple factory that has been in business since 2013, took credit for the opening of the Apple factory and claimed that he "won" at the impeachment inquiry and that the impeachment is now "all over".


Trump's handpicked ambassador just told the world that Trump and Trump's closest advisers are all criminals, and Trump reflexively claims a major victory!

What the hell is WRONG with Trump??

 

[icanhelp1]

Now WHY would the Ukraine collude with the Russians? It would not be in their interest to fuck around in our elections, they need America to help fight the Russians. The EU is only a group of 'fraidy cats without the balls to face off Putin. There is no where else they can turn but to the USA. Putin knows that.

Putin and the Russian Mob have Trump by the short hairs, he owes them too much money to pay them off any other way than TREASON!

Only you could make a totally ridiculous statement like " why would the Ukraine collude with the Russians". You need to improve your reading for comprehension skills.





"Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found."


"A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation."

"The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails."

"Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelYet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections."

 

[phrodeau]

Only you could make a totally ridiculous statement like " why would the Ukraine collude with the Russians". You need to improve your reading for comprehension skills.





"Ukrainian government officials tried to help Hillary Clinton and undermine Trump by publicly questioning his fitness for office. They also disseminated documents implicating a top Trump aide in corruption and suggested they were investigating the matter, only to back away after the election. And they helped Clinton’s allies research damaging information on Trump and his advisers, a Politico investigation found."


"A Ukrainian-American operative who was consulting for the Democratic National Committee met with top officials in the Ukrainian Embassy in Washington in an effort to expose ties between Trump, top campaign aide Paul Manafort and Russia, according to people with direct knowledge of the situation."

"The Ukrainian efforts had an impact in the race, helping to force Manafort’s resignation and advancing the narrative that Trump’s campaign was deeply connected to Ukraine’s foe to the east, Russia. But they were far less concerted or centrally directed than Russia’s alleged hacking and dissemination of Democratic emails."

"Russia’s effort was personally directed by Russian President Vladimir Putin, involved the country’s military and foreign intelligence services, according to U.S. intelYet Politico’s investigation found evidence of Ukrainian government involvement in the race that appears to strain diplomatic protocol dictating that governments refrain from engaging in one another’s elections."

Manafort was tied to the Party of Regions, a pro-Russia party which controlled Ukraine before the 2014 revolution. That party is now marginalized, and its former leaders are wanted criminals.

Interesting that you chose not to mention those facts.

 

[domroger]

Manafort was tied to the Party of Regions, a pro-Russia party which controlled Ukraine before the 2014 revolution. That party is now marginalized, and its former leaders are wanted criminals.

Interesting that you chose not to mention those facts.

Probably not in the article he cribbed that screed from .

 

[JackLuis]

"Only Me?"
Hardly dipshit. Did you not hear Fiona Hill? NSC expert, PhD, who said that the Ukraine wanted to get rid of Russian interference. Have you been sheltered Snowflake, not read the objective news, not witnessed the the last three years of Trumpski's TREASON?

You need to work on your bullshit filter and not believe obvious propaganda put out by the "Click Bait" press. It is no wonder that you "Trump Chumps" are so easily mislead by the Cheeto Bandito.

 

[Ziggins]

If Clinton had been removed from office, then Gore could have campaigned on his own record instead of Clinton's record and and his own lack of charisma. Maybe he would have won in 2000. Winning his home state would have been enough.

 

[icanhelp1]

"Only Me?"
Hardly dipshit. Did you not hear Fiona Hill? NSC expert, PhD, who said that the Ukraine wanted to get rid of Russian interference. Have you been sheltered Snowflake, not read the objective news, not witnessed the the last three years of Trumpski's TREASON?

You need to work on your bullshit filter and not believe obvious propaganda put out by the "Click Bait" press. It is no wonder that you "Trump Chumps" are so easily mislead by the Cheeto Bandito.

You fucking idiot, you brought up Russians colluding with Ukrainians. No one in this Galaxy believes that. No one but you! My point was, Hill didn't need to remind anyone that Russia interfered with our elections and Russia is corrupt with corrupt intentions, we all knew that. Everyone in the solar system knows Ukrainians hate the Russians, I mean, they are killing each other on the border, so get off your soapbox. The Ukrainians had a disdain for Trump because of his Crimea comments which led to interfering with the elections. They thought a Trump win was not in their best interest. I never ever said Russia colluded with the Ukrainians, this is where reading for comprehension comes in, maybe you should stick to something simple.

 

[JackLuis]

You fucking idiot, you brought up Russians colluding with Ukrainians. No one in this Galaxy believes that. No one but you! My point was, Hill didn't need to remind anyone that Russia interfered with our elections and Russia is corrupt with corrupt intentions, we all knew that. Everyone in the solar system knows Ukrainians hate the Russians, I mean, they are killing each other on the border, so get off your soapbox. The Ukrainians had a disdain for Trump because of his Crimea comments which led to interfering with the elections. They thought a Trump win was not in their best interest. I never ever said Russia colluded with the Ukrainians, this is where reading for comprehension comes in, maybe you should stick to something simple.

I can not help you if you just reverse what I said in your Trump Deranged Brain. I said,
"Now WHY would the Ukraine collude with the Russians?" NOT Why would the Russians Collude with the Ukrainians. You even clearly quoted me correctly?

However if any of the readers of this thread can concur with your interpretation of my very plain words question, I'll apologize for calling you a dipshit, but not the Trump Chump crack.

I agree that the Ukraine thought ill of Trump because... He is Donald J. Trump! I don't agree that they made a concerted effort to hack our election, at worst they only stated their opinion in their own press. And probably because they knew Hillary hated Putin.

 

[BotanyBoy]

at worst they only stated their opinion in their own press. And probably because they knew Hillary hated Putin.

That's interfering in our election processes!!!!

Unless they support a (D) of course....then THAT is toooooootally different.

 

[magicalmoments]

It's a waste of time trying to argue with old 1i.
Expecting him to understand the intricacies of the Russians trying to implicate the Ukrainians in the election interference conspiracies is a bridge to far.

 

[magicalmoments]

So... All you trumptards, are you happy now the republicans have won the impeachment hearings? And that they're all over? Rhetorical question.

The chosen one must be puzzled why they are proceeding.

 

[KeithD]

The chosen one must be puzzled why they are proceeding.

Maybe his minders have told him they aren't proceeding and he's content for now, doing the breathing exercises his doctor told him to do to try to stave off the next stroke.

 

[icanhelp1]

I can not help you if you just reverse what I said in your Trump Deranged Brain. I said,
"Now WHY would the Ukraine collude with the Russians?" NOT Why would the Russians Collude with the Ukrainians. You even clearly quoted me correctly?

However if any of the readers of this thread can concur with your interpretation of my very plain words question, I'll apologize for calling you a dipshit, but not the Trump Chump crack.

I agree that the Ukraine thought ill of Trump because... He is Donald J. Trump! I don't agree that they made a concerted effort to hack our election, at worst they only stated their opinion in their own press. And probably because they knew Hillary hated Putin.

I answered Ishtat that we didn’t need to be reminded about Russian interference the Mueller report, SDNY already indicted several Russians and you sarcastically brought up collusion. Now your handler magicalmoment is jumping into a conversation with the usual busybody ignorant arrogance.

 

[icanhelp1]

It's a waste of time trying to argue with old 1i.
Expecting him to understand the intricacies of the Russians trying to implicate the Ukrainians in the election interference conspiracies is a bridge to far.

The Russians didn’t need to implicate the Ukrainians, the Ukrainians left plenty of their own crap around for all to see.

 

[JackLuis]

More people are watching impeachment hearings than Trump’s last season of Celebrity Apprentice

Axios reported Friday evening that the Thursday hearings garnered 11.3 million viewers during the day-time. For context, that’s an astounding number. The top ratings getter during the day is syndicated Dr. Phil episodes, who leads the way with 3.45 million viewers per episode so far this season and “Ellen” had 2.668 million.
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Numbers like that are “prime time” level huge. The hearings dwarfed even Thursday night football, which got 9.41 million viewers and Young Sheldon at 8.33 million viewers, according to the numbers.

 

[Schlank]

Speaking of illegal stunts....

Trump is now trying to save his ass by bribing U.S. Senators with cash just ahead of the impeachment vote in the Senate. I guess since he was able to bribe the attorney general of Florida not to investigate his scam university, he thinks that he can bribe U.S. Senators not to impeach him.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-comm...-gop-senators-ahead-impeachment-trial-1468946

Watch Lindsey Graham run when a Marine veteran asks him about staying true to his oath of office.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/20...e-to-his-oath-of-office?utm_campaign=trending

 

[Dumpington]

icanhelp1 writes: "Everyone knows by now that Russia and Ukraine interfered with our elections."

And everyone knows WHO was in the White House when the Russians & the Ukrainians decided to interfere in our elections - it was a president they neither feared nor respected: Barack Obama!

JackLuis writes: "Putin and the Russian Mob have Trump by the short hairs..."

The Russians want an American president who will leave their close allies in the middle east (Iran & Syria) alone - President Obama secretly shipped billions of dollars to the Iranians, and who can ever forget Obama backing-off from attacking Syria after "drawing a red line in the sand" over Bashar as-Assad's regime dropping poison gas on his own people? Syria IGNORED Barack's threat, and Obama did nothing. President Trump, meanwhile, is squeezing Iran's balls with his sanctions against that country (there's even RIOTING currently going on in Iranian streets!), and he's fired cruise missiles at Syria's military! If THAT'S your definition of "having Trump by the short hairs" then the Russians must not care about their allies in that region very much!

Schlank writes: "Trump is freaking out and is totally unhinged."

I suspect that Trump will feel a whole lot better after the U.S. Senate totally dismantles impeachment and vindicates this president!

phrodeau writes: "Interesting that you chose not to mention those facts."

Exactly right, phrodeau! The House can impeach, but only the U.S. SENATE has the power to remove a president from office (and that ain't happening!)

magicalmoments writes: "All you trumptards, are you happy now the republicans have won the impeachment hearings?"

As phrodeau has already stated above: the House can impeach, but they CAN'T remove a president from office - only the U.S. Senate has that power (and they don't take orders from Nancy Pelsoi and/or Adam Schiff!)

Schlank writes: "Watch Lindsey Graham run when a Marine veteran asks him about staying true to his oath of office."

If ONLY military personnel and American military veterans were allowed to vote in U.S. elections, Schlank, the Democratic Party would only have about two dozen congressmen/women in the U.S. House, and maybe three or four U.S. Senators! They would cease to be a serious political party.

 

[JackLuis]

Dump says:

The Russians want an American president who will leave their close allies in the middle east (Iran & Syria) alone - President Obama secretly shipped billions of dollars to the Iranians, and who can ever forget Obama backing-off from attacking Syria after "drawing a red line in the sand" over Bashar as-Assad's regime dropping poison gas on his own people? Syria IGNORED Barack's threat, and Obama did nothing. President Trump, meanwhile, is squeezing Iran's balls with his sanctions against that country (there's even RIOTING currently going on in Iranian streets!), and he's fired cruise missiles at Syria's military! If THAT'S your definition of "having Trump by the short hairs" then the Russians must not care about their allies in that region very much!

Trump poured $100 million of Tomahawks into a evacuated Syrian airfield after Trump told the Russians to clear out. If he was going to be hard on the Syrians he would have sent them to Damascus.

Trump pulled all American troops out of Syria, except the oil fields, and left our Kurdish allies in a lurch because he is so hard on Russia and Iran.

It is true that Obama started the Syrian intervention, which was a dumb and futile thing, if he wasn't going in all the fucking way.

It is odd that the whole Benghazi riot was started as a protest to America shipping Gadalfi's weapons to the Syrian resistance, of which a goodly few were ISIL operatives.

 

[Dumpington]

JackLuis writes: "Trump poured $100 million of Tomahawks into a evacuated Syrian airfield after Trump told the Russians to clear out. If he was going to be hard on the Syrians he would have sent them to Damascus."

Okay, Jack - we AGREE that Trump fired cruise missiles at the Syrian air force, destroying a LARGE number of Syrian fighter jets, which was an ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE from Obama's empty threats. Russia was NOT happy to see its Syrian ally so unexpectedly attacked. I'm quite sure that Putin realized that Trump was no "Princess Boy Obama" to be held in complete contempt!

If Trump had fired cruise missiles at Damascus, the Democratic Party would immediately begin screaming that he was a war criminal, but you & I appear to be in agreement that in war innocent people are going to suffer. I mean, look at what FDR & Harry Truman did to innocent civilians throughout Nazi Germany & Japan during the Second World War!

As for Russia's (and Syria's) other ally - IRAN - Trump's sanctions are destroying that nation's already fragile economy, causing enormous unrest! Gone are the days when Barack Obama gave the America-hatting mullahs of that nation everything they wanted! I'm quite certain that the ayatollahs are dearly wishing right now that Barack was back in the White House!

 

[JackLuis]

Dump writes:
Okay, Jack - we AGREE that Trump fired cruise missiles at the Syrian air force, destroying a LARGE number of Syrian fighter jets, which was an ENORMOUS DIFFERENCE from Obama's empty threats. Russia was NOT happy to see its Syrian ally so unexpectedly attacked. I'm quite sure that Putin realized that Trump was no "Princess Boy Obama" to be held in complete contempt!



A LARGE number? Is two a Large number? And they were only left there because they were unable to fly away.

Cadet Bone Spurs is almost as stupid as LBJ's rules of engagement during Linebacker II.

 

[magicalmoments]

I see dump doesn't know what a rhetorical question is.

On the Ukrainians election interference. There is absolutely no evidence that the Ukrainians tried to interfere in any election. Mines tried to push this fiction at the impeachment hearing and was shut down by witness Hill. And he was pouty the rest of the day.

The Ukrainian interference conspiracy theory is just that. Consigned to the conspiracy wasteland with chemicals in jet contrails.

 

[JackLuis]

I see dump doesn't know what a rhetorical question is.

On the Ukrainians election interference. There is absolutely no evidence that the Ukrainians tried to interfere in any election. Mines tried to push this fiction at the impeachment hearing and was shut down by witness Hill. And he was pouty the rest of the day.

The Ukrainian interference conspiracy theory is just that. Consigned to the conspiracy wasteland with chemicals in jet contrails.

But not for a "True Believer", no they need to hold this idol to give their paltry live any meaning at all. They will slavishly swallow, the Kool-Aid and resist any unorthodox idea.

They have given up their freedom and accepted the NEW Overlord!

They can not think critically because, they fear they are error prone, and that fear of the unpredictable future scares the shit out of them.

The depth of their belief is determined by the depth of the fear they carry. ergo the raving lunatics that go postal or worse. Snipers, Bombers, the unconditioned Pit bulls of the marginalized.

Fortunately the range of the truly fearful on this board isn't too deep. The GB, eeeh, I can't say is shallow, but a lot deeper that is seen by the comments, I'm guessing.

 

[KeithD]

Let's see. Just this evening Nunes, Johnson, and Grassley have been added to the list of those directly working for the interests of the Russians. How many is this now in the "administration" and Congress? The count is quickly getting out of hand.

Maybe in recruiting for the Russians Trump has finally found a talent he actually has.

 

[phrodeau]

Let's see. Just this evening Nunes, Johnson, and Grassley have been added to the list of those directly working for the interests of the Russians. How many is this now in the "administration" and Congress? The count is quickly getting out of hand.

Maybe in recruiting for the Russians Trump has finally found a talent he actually has.

It seems like any Republican who hopes for the Oval Office has learned that they first need to carry Putin’s water.