Impeachment Thread

[gunthernehmen]

Getting as many of the facts as possible before any decision is made? That seems worth waiting for to me.

And hey, the far right spent a good five years screaming to impeach President Clinton ("and fire her husband too!") before it actually happened. Patience is a virtue.

It's more the dramatic drop in foaming about your mouths compared to last week that interested me. Last week we were getting almost minute by minute accounts from you and today... not a peep.

Just wondering what's different.

I'm still convinced that Pelosi will either succeed in getting her politically motivated impeachment or she will not. And that if she does, the Senate will laugh their way to acquittal.

 

[JackLuis]

Dump, I'll stipulate that the Dem's wanted to impeach Donnie since he was elected and they expected that the Muller Report would provide them with the evidence, however Bob's work was sabotaged by Bill Barr and the fucktussle surrounding that perversion.

This does not mean that the "OBSTRUCTION" that Bob uncovered did not happen, it can be the start the list of impeachable offences, with the Ukrainian extortion and the "Rudy and the Chuckelfucks" Gas Pipeline 'drug deal' that is the root cause of the Ukraine-gate.

Tomorrow will be a double-double-header in the Inquirey. Much Rethuglican angst will be spread and Never-Trump laughter will ensue. Take your meds and don't watch C-Span or you will assplode like Donnie!

 

[YDB95]

It's more the dramatic drop in foaming about your mouths compared to last week that interested me. Last week we were getting almost minute by minute accounts from you and today... not a peep.

Just wondering what's different.

I'm not aware of any difference, but then I don't recall ever foaming at the mouth.

 

[JackLuis]

Kurt Volker to ‘modify’ his testimony — and claim he was ‘out of the loop’ on Ukraine: NYT

Volker trying to change the slant of his testimony

"The modification is apparently geared to getting his previous sworn testimony to not conflict with the testimony of other witnesses."

So Volker is up in a few hours and how will the Trumpster react to this?

Will Trumpski twitter on his golden throne tomorrow?

or, will he fume and blow another gasket?

 

[magicalmoments]

Volkner will build the pressure tomorrow, sondlund will cause the coronary on Thursday.

 

[JackLuis]

Volkner will build the pressure tomorrow, sondlund will cause the coronary on Thursday.

Optimist!

 

[icanhelp1]

It's more the dramatic drop in foaming about your mouths compared to last week that interested me. Last week we were getting almost minute by minute accounts from you and today... not a peep.

Just wondering what's different.

I'm still convinced that Pelosi will either succeed in getting her politically motivated impeachment or she will not. And that if she does, the Senate will laugh their way to acquittal.

I guess the wild card in this whole impeachment fucktussle is Horowitz's testimony in front of the senate judiciary committee. I don't think people understand how impactful this testimony will be. If it is found that FISA applications were based on fraudulent pretense and the FBI defrauded the courts the whole scheme could find itself in court. The entire Mueller report could come under some intense scrutiny and even found unconstitutional. It will tie in the Ukraine, crowdstrike, the Clintons, the DNC as well as the Obama admin's NSA, DOJ and FBI. This has the potential to permeate right into the democratic house, Schiff and Nadler as fact witnesses. It all comes back to the Steele dossier and not admitting exculpatory evidence on Carter Page and Papadopoulos. This whole coup I believe, is about to come crashing down on dems just in time for the 2020 elections. Then you have Sidney Powell and the massaging of Flynn's FBI 302s and possible entrapment violations. And then there's the Durham investigation. I think there is a lot of shit about to hit the fan.

 

[DawnONight]

It would go quicker if Trump and his admin would testify.

B. Allyn, Democrats Offer Trump Chance To Testify, And He Says He Might Do It — In Writing, NPR (Nov. 18, 2019).

 

[Fuzzy1975]

From what I recall he wanted to stay at home until he passed (which he could have done as an American citizen here, btw. It's called home hospice and a dear friend chose that route).

Instead he was required to either go to the hospital and wait to die or to commit suicide. Right? With all the fancy words stripped away, anyway.

You recall correctly, his choices were, stay at home, till passing, go to a hospital till passing, or use the option of DAD.

Actually he could have remained at home till he passed, ( no one took a gun to his head and hauled him off to the hospital) the issue was the cost of the extended homecare, and who would pay. He was receiving the standard homecare offered. He requested the government to pick up the tab for the extended homecare, which also required specialized equipment, as well as 24/hr nurse care etc. . The government denied his request, and he could not afford to pay out of pocket and had no insurance coverage for that type of care.

Now you tell me every American has that ability, ( to ask the government to pick up the cost of their healthcare) and we can talk. We both know that is not even close to true.

Sorry on the delay, but I am not on here 24/7.

 

[gunthernehmen]

"The modification is apparently geared to getting his previous sworn testimony to not conflict with the testimony of other witnesses."

EVERYBODY knows you coordinate lies BEFORE you tell your stories!

What kind of amateurs is Pelosi hiring these days?

"Mr. Volker will say that he did not realize that others working for Mr. Trump were tying American security aid to a commitment to investigate Democrats"

Like I said earlier: Kangaroo court.

 

[gunthernehmen]

You recall correctly, his choices were, stay at home, till passing, go to a hospital till passing, or use the option of DAD.

Actually he could have remained at home till he passed, ( no one took a gun to his head and hauled him off to the hospital) the issue was the cost of the extended homecare, and who would pay. He was receiving the standard homecare offered. He requested the government to pick up the tab for the extended homecare, which also required specialized equipment, as well as 24/hr nurse care etc. . The government denied his request, and he could not afford to pay out of pocket and had no insurance coverage for that type of care.

Now you tell me every American has that ability, ( to ask the government to pick up the cost of their healthcare) and we can talk. We both know that is not even close to true.

Sorry on the delay, but I am not on here 24/7.

As you know it is not Constitutional to implement a national scale health care system here, like Canada's. It IS legal for the states to do so and some have. The person I mentioned lives in such a state, although had Medicare. So absolutely yes, in some cases the government does pick up healthcare costs. Never mind VA hospitals or the special, Cadillac (and free!) health insurance members of Congress get.

The insurance company paid for a motorized bed, oxygen machines, etc. A nurse visited a couple times a day, someone else brought meals.

Sounds like exactly what your guy wanted.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

As you know it is not Constitutional to implement a national scale health care system here, like Canada's. It IS legal for the states to do so and some have. The person I mentioned lives in such a state, although had Medicare. So absolutely yes, in some cases the government does pick up healthcare costs. Never mind VA hospitals or the special, Cadillac (and free!) health insurance members of Congress get.

The insurance company paid for a motorized bed, oxygen machines, etc. A nurse visited a couple times a day, someone else brought meals.

Sounds like exactly what your guy wanted.

But you said All Americans. Don't change the tone now to correct your earlier statement. So in the case the person's case you used as an example didn't have insurance, lived in a state which doesn't have as robust health coverage or was not a vet or was not on Medicare whats their outcome?

 

[gunthernehmen]

But you said All Americans. Don't change the tone now to correct your earlier statement. So in the case the person's case you used as an example didn't have insurance, lived in a state which doesn't have as robust health coverage or was not a vet or was not on Medicare whats their outcome?

I can promise you that no government official will require him to commit suicide.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

I can promise you that no government official will require him to commit suicide.

To funny, still dodges the All American's statement made back a couple posts.

I can say no Government official in Canada does at any level either. In fact, they could not, by law ( which you might know if you read the link I posted to the actual law way back at the beginning).

So then we can agree ( I think, I hate to be puttings words in your mouth) that this was a very unfortunate medical situation, one which would be very difficult to write legislation to cover, on either side of the boarder.

 

[Fuzzy1975]

As you know it is not Constitutional to implement a national scale health care system here,

I am curious on this, I am not aware ( nor am I a constitutional expert by any way shape or form) where this would be precluded in the US Constitution?

 

[gunthernehmen]

I am curious on this, I am not aware ( nor am I a constitutional expert by any way shape or form) where this would be precluded in the US Constitution?

10th Amendment. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

A national healthcare system such as yours would require a Constitutional amendment and THAT will never happen. Therefore it's up to the states (Obamacare) or to the People (private healthcare insurance).

 

[Fuzzy1975]

10th Amendment. The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

A national healthcare system such as yours would require a Constitutional amendment and THAT will never happen. Therefore it's up to the states (Obamacare) or to the People (private healthcare insurance).

I thought the Affordable Health Care Act was federal law ( statute), which basically forced states to implement it? So you are saying it is in violation of the Constitution?

 

[gunthernehmen]

I thought the Affordable Health Care Act was federal law ( statute), which basically forced states to implement it? So you are saying it is in violation of the Constitution?

Actually it IS in violation. The pols used a tax dodge to side step the issue.

Regardless, the law effectively coerced the states to do something, individually, because it wasn't within the scope of powers of the federal government.

 

[JackLuis]

Schiff gives Republicans a lesson on fact witnesses after they complain officials haven’t used the word ‘bribery’

Also the ACA is not the topic of this thread, please remain on topic.

“I just wanted to make one point clear for the folks who are watching today,” Schiff said. “Bribery does involve a quid pro quo. Bribery involves the conditioning of an official act for something of value. An official act may be a White House meeting, an official act may be $400 million in military aid, and ‘something of value’ to a president might include investigations of a political rival. The reason we don’t ask witnesses that are fact witnesses to make the judgement about whether a crime or bribery has been committed, or whether more significantly what the Founders had in mind when they itemized bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors, is you’re fact witnesses. It will be our job to decide whether the impeachable act of bribery has occurred.”

 

[JackLuis]

Audience breaks into applause as Vindman explains why he’s not afraid of testifying against Trump

Republican efforts to undermine Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman apparently failed to persuade the audience in the impeachment hearing room.

The National Security Council staffer was showered with applause after reading the closing portions of his opening statement for a second time at the request of Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney (D-NY).

“Can you read the last paragraph for me again, the second-to-last one, can you read that again for me?” Maloney said. “I think the American public deserves to have it again.”

And Vindman read it again:

“Dad, my sitting here today in the U.S. Capitol, talking to our elected officials, is proof that you made the right decision 40 years ago to leave the Soviet Union and come here to the United States of America in search of a better life for our family,” Vindman said. “Do not worry, I’ll be fine for telling the truth.”

 

[gunthernehmen]

Audience breaks into applause as Vindman explains why he’s not afraid of testifying against Trump

Feelings, nothing more than feelings,
Trying to forget my feelings of love.
Teardrops rolling down on my face,
Trying to forget my feelings of love.

Wake me up when they start testifying about facts!

 

[YDB95]

I guess the wild card in this whole impeachment fucktussle is Horowitz's testimony in front of the senate judiciary committee. I don't think people understand how impactful this testimony will be. If it is found that FISA applications were based on fraudulent pretense and the FBI defrauded the courts the whole scheme could find itself in court. The entire Mueller report could come under some intense scrutiny and even found unconstitutional. It will tie in the Ukraine, crowdstrike, the Clintons, the DNC as well as the Obama admin's NSA, DOJ and FBI. This has the potential to permeate right into the democratic house, Schiff and Nadler as fact witnesses. It all comes back to the Steele dossier and not admitting exculpatory evidence on Carter Page and Papadopoulos. This whole coup I believe, is about to come crashing down on dems just in time for the 2020 elections. Then you have Sidney Powell and the massaging of Flynn's FBI 302s and possible entrapment violations. And then there's the Durham investigation. I think there is a lot of shit about to hit the fan.

Yes, and maybe you'll get a pony this Christmas, too!

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Yes, and maybe you'll get a pony this Christmas, too!"

All that the House Democrats are getting for Christmas this year is coal in their stockings. Their impeachment inquiries are NOT enraging the American public as they had intended them to do. They're actually BORING the public with their lame efforts to turn this into Watergate or Bill Clinton's committing perjury to obstruct a sexual harrassment investigation against himself! Nobody's watching these lame hearings!

What Adam Schiff IS revealing with all of his witnesses is that Hunter Biden really WAS hired by the Ukrainian gas firm Burisma Holdings, while it was under investigation for corruption, creating a conflict of interest for his father (Vice President Joe Biden) who was supposed to be overseeing US-Ukraine policy and ended-up forcing the firing of the Ukrainian prosecutor overseeing the case.

Ukraine officials had an uneasy relationship with our embassy in Kiev because State Department officials exerted pressure on Ukraine prosecutors to drop certain cases against activists, including one group partly funded by George Soros along with efforts within Ukraine to influence the US 2016 election! State officials also testified they tried to raise the issue of an apparent conflict of interest with Biden’s office back in 2015, but were rebuffed.

 

[JackLuis]

‘Smoking gun so hot it’s still on fire’: Ex-US Attorney astonished by text shown in Vindman testimony

The counsel for House Democrats then showed a text sent 30 minutes before Trump’s July 25 call to Ukraine’s president Volodymyr Zelensky, which shows the special envoy Kurt Volker dangling a White House visit to a Zelensky aide in exchange for an investigation.

“Good lunch — thanks. Heard from White House — assuming President Z convinces trump he will investigate / ‘get to the bottom of what happened’ in 2016, we will nail down date for visit to Washington. Good luck! See you tomorrow – kurt.”

“Volker, who testifies today, sent this text to Zelensky aide 30 minutes before the July 25 call where Trump asks for a ‘favor,'” Vance tweeted. “This is a smoking gun so hot that it’s still on fire.”

Volker also testified he was "out of the loop" on the QPQ, right?

 

[JackLuis]

Sondland is in ‘tremendous trouble’ no matter how he tries to change his testimony tomorrow

On Tuesday, in the wake of testimony from several witnesses in the impeachment hearing that broadly implicated EU Ambassador Gordon Sondland in improper backchannel foreign policy, New York Times columnist Wajahat Ali suggested that Sondland is in “tremendous trouble” — and that no testimony he could give tomorrow will get him out of this mess:

Sondland has serious exposure in the Ukraine scandal because he has repeatedly revised his sworn testimony as various aspects have been contradicted by text messages and the testimony of other witnesses.

Tune in tomorrow for the sucker to fall upon his dagger fro Trumpski!