Impeachment Thread

[allison22]

Marie Yovanovitch is a badass. She’s not a coward like Mick Mulvaney or Rudy Giuliani.

I was thinking the same thing.

Maria Yovonavitch is a badass. Pompeo told her twice, in writing that she could not testify before Congress.

Yeah, fuck that! Maria put on her suit and marched into the halls of Congress like a boss.

Men like Mulvaney and Giuliani have been too cowardly to show up.

 

[YDB95]

Jovanovic I believe was unfairly treated and had no reason being involved in the impeachment clusterfuck. I believe scumbag Schiff used Jovanovic to inject an emotional effect for american consumption and it backfired.

Since even Fox News couldn't pretend her testimony wasn't damning...that's an interesting definition of "backfired". And somehow I don't think Rep. Schiff was responsible for Trump sending that tweet during her testimony that clearly met the threshold for witness intimidation. All Schiff did was offer her a chance to respond to it, and I can't think of any reason why he shouldn't have done that.

There was no quid pro quo.

J. Setyon, Ukraine Foreign Minister Undercuts Democrats' Impeachment Case: No Connection Between Aid and Biden Investigation, Western Journal (Nov. 14, 2019).

It took all of ten seconds of Googling to find that the Western Journal is the brainchild of none other than Floyd Brown, the right-wing sleaze master behind the 1988 Willie Horton ad and other such delights. That tells you all you need to know about both its perspective and its likely trustworthiness on factual accuracy.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Since even Fox News couldn't pretend her testimony wasn't damning...that's an interesting definition of "backfired". And somehow I don't think Rep. Schiff was responsible for Trump sending that tweet during her testimony that clearly met the threshold for witness intimidation. All Schiff did was offer her a chance to respond to it, and I can't think of any reason why he shouldn't have done that.




It took all of ten seconds of Googling to find that the Western Journal is the brainchild of none other than Floyd Brown, the right-wing sleaze master behind the 1988 Willie Horton ad and other such delights. That tells you all you need to know about both its perspective and its likely trustworthiness on factual accuracy.

How was the Willie Horton ad inaccurate?

 

[JackLuis]

I'm laughing my ass off as Rudy is investigated for his role in the Chucklefucking Russo-Americans gas pipeline plot and election finance case. It explains why Trump gave a fuck about Ukraine and Hunter Bidin's role in Berisma energy.

If I'm interpreting the plot correctly, Rudy was hyping the 'deal' and got Trump involved, or cut into the deal, to push the Biden angle and it also explains why Rick Perry was involved. Sondland perhaps, was involved with the gas plot, either as a share holder, or simply as a Trumpski minion. Pompeo was involved as part of the "Hillary Server" angle, though he may also be a share holder.

Trumpski implicated Barr in the plot and I'll bet Barr is pissed at that! But will he quash the investigation or roll on Trump to escape ending up in prison?

If the Feds push this case hard enough it will unravel the whole sordid Ukraingate clusterfuck!

Will the House pursue the case, as they should or will it escape the Democrats that Trump wasn't worried about politics, but about the bid'ness?

He is a bid'ness man not a politician, right?

House of Cards, indeed!

 

[YDB95]

How was the Willie Horton ad inaccurate?

Implying that it was Gov. Dukakis who implemented the program under which he was furloughed, for starters. But accuracy wasn't the real issue with that ad and you know it.

 

[icanhelp1]

Since even Fox News couldn't pretend her testimony wasn't damning...that's an interesting definition of "backfired". And somehow I don't think Rep. Schiff was responsible for Trump sending that tweet during her testimony that clearly met the threshold for witness intimidation. All Schiff did was offer her a chance to respond to it, and I can't think of any reason why he shouldn't have done that.


How can anyone interpret her testimony as damning. What part of her testimony brought any light to an impeachable offense. She testified in her own words when she responded to a question, to which she answered, that; to her knowledge; the president committed no impeachable offenses. That's the end of story! case closed! That's what she was there for { IMPEACHMENT TESTIMONY } Schiff brought her in front of the intel committee hoping she would breakdown with an emotional response for all to see, AND SHE DIDN'T!!! that's the backfire!! It was all staged and had absolutely no impact. Trump's tweet although not helpful: to classify it as witness tampering or badgering a witness is an example of democrats in the throws of disparity

 

[gunthernehmen]

The house will either vote to impeach or not, sooner or later, according to the needs of Pelosi and the Democratic Party. It will have nothing whatsoever to do with whether Trump actually DID anything impeachable or even if he's a crappy husband or a womanizer (like almost all other presidents have been).

It will be based solely on Pelosi's self interests.

If she decides she wants the impeachment then a while later the senate will acquit.

Watch the decision and the timing. It will be crafted to have the maximum effect against Trump's second term election campaign.

If this were about anything OTHER than the 2020 election it would have been heard, voted and acquitted ages ago.

 

[phrodeau]

How can anyone interpret her testimony as damning. What part of her testimony brought any light to an impeachable offense. She testified in her own words when she responded to a question, to which she answered, that; to her knowledge; the president committed no impeachable offenses. That's the end of story! case closed! That's what she was there for { IMPEACHMENT TESTIMONY } Schiff brought her in front of the intel committee hoping she would breakdown with an emotional response for all to see, AND SHE DIDN'T!!! that's the backfire!! It was all staged and had absolutely no impact. Trump's tweet although not helpful: to classify it as witness tampering or badgering a witness is an example of democrats in the throws of disparity

Yovanovitch showed that there was collusion between US officials and the corrupt Ukraine regime.

Pompeo ordered her not to testify. Pompeo denied even hearing McKinley's concerns. Bet you forgot all about that.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Yovanovitch showed that there was collusion between US officials and the corrupt Ukraine regime.

Her "testimony" was sprinkled with phrases like "assumed" or "told her".

It's a good thing for Pelosi that this is kangaroo court and not "real" court.

 

[Boxlicker101]

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Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post
How was the Willie Horton ad inaccurate?

Implying that it was Gov. Dukakis who implemented the program under which he was furloughed, for starters. But accuracy wasn't the real issue with that ad and you know it.

Although Dukakis did not implement the program, he did expand it to include virtually all felons, including murderers. Somebody as foul as Horton, who was doing life without possibility of parole, should never have been allowed out of prison.

 

[Jesus_Ateo]

The Trump administration confesses it has violated its own ethics pledge — multiple times



These motherfuckers ain't ethical!

How perfect is it that the news was interrupted from talking about Trump committing obstruction of justice in real time during his impeachment hearings to let us all know that his buddy and advisor Roger Stone was found to be guilty on all 7 counts including, you guessed it, OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE???

 

[YDB95]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Boxlicker101 View Post
How was the Willie Horton ad inaccurate?



Although Dukakis did not implement the program, he did expand it to include virtually all felons, including murderers. Somebody as foul as Horton, who was doing life without possibility of parole, should never have been allowed out of prison.

True but beside the point.

 

[allison22]

So, for those of you trying to keep score at home, here's what's happened so far:

Trump's former lawyer
Trump's former campaign chairman
Trump's former deputy campaign chairman
Trump's long term political adviser
Trump's national security adviser
Trump's foreign policy aide AND
Trump's Middle East liaison are NOW ALL FELONS!

 

[Leather_Lesbian]

So, for those of you trying to keep score at home, here's what's happened so far:

Trump's former lawyer
Trump's former campaign chairman
Trump's former deputy campaign chairman
Trump's long term political adviser
Trump's national security adviser
Trump's foreign policy aide AND
Trump's Middle East liaison are NOW ALL FELONS!

What was all that talk about Trump only hiring the best people?

 

[Dumpington]

Leather Lesbian writes: "What was all that talk about Trump only hiring the best people?"

Yeah, some of Trump's friends are going to jail. But is THAT an impeachable offense for the president? I don't think it is!

Don’t be surprised if some of those House Democrats in conservative-leaning pro-Trump congressional districts end up voting against it. Nancy Pelosi & Adam Schiff are doing their very best to come up with a smoking gun, but thus far their witnesses have seriously let them down!

The STAR WITNESSES for the Democrats have been acting Ukraine Ambassador William Taylor and Deputy Assistant Secretary of State George Kent (on Wednesday) followed by former Ukraine Ambassador Marie Yovanovitch (on Friday). But instead of revealing impeachment "dirt" they only turned-out to be three bureaucrats who are unhappy that Trump has engaged in Ukraine foreign policy without their input.

When Representative John Ratcliffe (R-TX) asked Taylor and Kent to identify an impeachable act committed by President Trump, the bureaucrats sat in their seats in stunned silence. The awkward pause was only broken when Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff (D-CA) interrupted with a rambling diatribe. The witnesses themselves could not state an impeachable offense, and neither can the Democrats.

 

[JackLuis]

Sondland is up next, if he doesn't purger himself, He will be the Star Witness!

They need to ask him if he was a shareholder in Rudy and the Chucklefuck's Poland Pipeline? He is after all the EC Ambassador.

 

[gunthernehmen]

Sondland is up next, if he doesn't purger himself, He will be the Star Witness!

Is that with ketchup or bbq sauce?

 

[magicalmoments]

I'm picking sondlund will spill his guts. I'm also picking that he'll be sacked from his ambassadors job, by tweet, before he finishes his testimony. I'm also picking this will be the turning point for a good number of republican representatives, both congress and senate.
Hell, we may even find out what hold trump has over Lindsay graham!!

 

[DawnONight]

B. Cartright, ‘Fake Impeachment Inquiry Is Now Dead!’: Trump Touts Ukrainian Official’s Denial of Quid Pro Quo, IJR (Nov. 15, 2019).

 

[gunthernehmen]

Well come on, people! How'd it go today? Did they vote yet? What's the holdup?

 

[magicalmoments]

#347 above.
Another right wing conservative propaganda rag. Quoting a soldier from a country that Has a history of corruption even greater than trump and whose literal survival as a nation is dependent, for the foreseeable future, on military aid from the USA.

Credible?

No.

 

[phrodeau]

Well come on, people! How'd it go today? Did they vote yet? What's the holdup?

It would go quicker if Trump and his admin would testify.

 

[Dumpington]

magicalmoments writes: "I'm also picking this will be the turning point for a good number of republican representatives, both congress and senate."

Since we're making picks, I'll play along... I'm picking that House Democrats from more moderate districts begin abandoning Nancy Pelosi & Adam Schiff to save their jobs. I'm also picking that impeachment gets ZERO Republican votes in the U.S. Senate, showing all of America what a SHAM this entire inquiry has been from start-to-finish!

phrodeau writes: "It would go quicker if Trump and his admin would testify."

Trump has ZERO respect for the House Democrats. He knows full well that a failed impeachment effort will ultimately result in a backlash that will hurt both Pelosi's chances to remain speaker AND whomever ends up winning the Democratic Party's 2020 presidential nomination. It's no surprise to anybody that just 13 million viewers tuned in for the first day of televised impeachment hearings last week, many fewer than watched the Brett Kavanaugh and Christine Blasey Ford hearings last fall (20 million viewers) or ever James Comey’s Russiagate testimony (19.5 million), according to Nielsen.

Even The New York Times has taken notice, with opinion writer Jennifer Weiner unleashing her annoyance at the public will a column titled: “I’m Sorry, Is Impeachment Not Entertaining Enough for You?” In other words, the very same people who wear vagina hats on their heads and brandish ridiculous red robes to demand that taxpayers fund abortions & harvest baby-parts are now urging us all to look less trivial.

Writing for The Federalist, Joy Pullmann writes that before the hearing began, Democrats assured media outlets that their "show trials" would shift public opinion in their direction. But voters’ low interest and predetermined views has instead confirmed everyone's fears that even dramatic wall-to-wall TV coverage won’t make impeachment a winner for them. Perhaps they’ve hit a ceiling on manufactured Trump hatred. Democrats appear to have jumped the shark here into taking a huge, avoidable political risk. All that’s left now is figuring out HOW exactly they’re going to reconcile their failures.

 

[YDB95]

Well come on, people! How'd it go today? Did they vote yet? What's the holdup?

Getting as many of the facts as possible before any decision is made? That seems worth waiting for to me.

And hey, the far right spent a good five years screaming to impeach President Clinton ("and fire her husband too!") before it actually happened. Patience is a virtue.

 

[Dumpington]

YDB95 writes: "Getting as many of the facts as possible before any decision is made? That seems worth waiting for to me."

The House Democrats have wanted to impeach President Trump ever since November 8, 2016 - and when they took control of the House after the 2018 midterms it was pretty much a done-deal. Adam Schiff assured everybody back then that the Mueller Report would give them their reason, but when that blew up in his face he went with the Ukraine instead!

Unfortunately, those same 2018 midterms that made Nancy Pelosi the Speaker ALSO further weakened the Democratic Party in the U.S. Senate, where they were already the minority party! Sure, they can impeach Trump (just like Bill Clinton), but it won't prevent Trump from serving two full terms as president (just like Bill Clinton!)

"And hey, the far right spent a good five years screaming to impeach President Clinton ("and fire her husband too!") before it actually happened. Patience is a virtue."

I suppose that Bill Clinton's impeachment may have played a role in his wife losing her 2016 presidential run, in which case Melania Trump probably SHOULDN'T plan on running for president in 2036!