I'm so sick of people making excuses for terrorists

[Fagin]

exactly - and now we come to the crux of what i was arguing.

why isn't it an excuse?

it's not an excuse because it does not JUSTIFY their actions.

an excuse is a reason by which one's actions can be justified.

global domination cannot be an excuse because it cannot be justified.

iraq, israel, and oil are not excuses either

why? because they are not justifications for the terrorists actions - and they are not being used in such a way.

you say they are not the reasons behind the terrorists' actions - i agree.

they are not reasons, then - but neither are they excuses.

do you see my point now?

I think you and I are saying the same thing.

It is not an excuse and I've been saying that the whole time.

 

[woody54]

How do I define terrorism? Let's see....flying planes into two buildings that hold nothing more than average people doing their damn jobs, blowing up buses and trains full of citizens of a country that have NOTHING to do with how their countries government is being run, putting car bombs beside restauraunts full of normal people eating without any reason behind it.

I understand terrorists blowing up the White House, The Pentagon, and things of this nature...though it is still not right, but there is absolutely no excuses made for the damn lowlifes that kill women, men, and children who have done nothing wrong.

Funny, but I thought there were average people going about their jobs in places like Chile, Panama, Venuzuela, Iraq, Iran, etc when the CIA orchestra came to town and blood letting began.

And you know what - it wasnt so much to do with how they operated their governments but how someone else wanted it run to suit their interests. How you dont consider this terrorism is beyond me

 

[adajh588]

Funny, but I thought there were average people going about their jobs in places like Chile, Panama, Venuzuela, Iraq, Iran, etc when the CIA orchestra came to town and blood letting began.

Are you done bullshitting about things that are opposite of what I was talking about? I'm pretty sure that when we invaded Iraq we didn't go to buildings that we KNEW didn't house terrorists and blow them up just for the hell of it. I'm not saying innocent people didn't die in these countries or that there aren't American terrorists (The My Lai Massacre comes to mind) but I do not believe that we go into these countries on the sole idea to kill as many harmless people as possible.

 

[hydrex]

While these animals are murdering innocent men, women, and children, some of you act as though these sub-humans are "acting out" because of Iraq, oil, Jews, Israel, capitalism, and so on ad nauseum.

Shove it up your ass.

They have no watches, they have no tea, they have no good television....is that enough excuses or do you need more?

 

[Ricwilly]

They hate us because we're free.

 

[Borscht]

Are you done bullshitting about things that are opposite of what I was talking about? I'm pretty sure that when we invaded Iraq we didn't go to buildings that we KNEW didn't house terrorists and blow them up just for the hell of it. I'm not saying innocent people didn't die in these countries or that there aren't American terrorists (The My Lai Massacre comes to mind) but I do not believe that we go into these countries on the sole idea to kill as many harmless people as possible.

Neither the US or AQ murder innocent people as an end in itself.

Their crimes are both commited as a means to an end.

Not that that's any excuse, of course.

My theology's rusty, but I don't suppose that the murderer who drives his bomb into a target is gonna fry at a different temperature from the one who drops it from a plane.

 

[Lost Cause]

The only excuse I want to hear is, "He forgot to duck!"

http://www.lo.redjupiter.com/images/braden/DeadTerrorist.jpg

 

[unregistered]

 

[adajh588]

My theology's rusty, but I don't suppose that the murderer who drives his bomb into a target is gonna fry at a different temperature from the one who drops it from a plane.

Wrong. That "murderer" flew his plane into a building full of people just because he happened to hate what the whole damn country represence, it did not change anything, they really just did it to prove that they could. Against popular belief those bombs that we drop have targets....and those targets are not buildings full of innocent lives, though some innocent lives may die. I'm sure the terrorists think that they are doing a wonderful thing, but you cannot tell me that the soldiers that are risking their lives to free a country and keep their country free are going to burn in hell with them.

 

[Beco]

While these animals are murdering innocent men, women, and children, some of you act as though these sub-humans are "acting out" because of Iraq, oil, Jews, Israel, capitalism, and so on ad nauseum.

Shove it up your ass.

Exactly, and I love these jerks who admire them for fighting for " their cause". THEY DON'T HAVE A CAUSE!!

I challenge anyone tell me why they are blowing things up !

 

[Beco]

Woody, you're undoubtedly one of the dumbest motherfuckers ever to show his ass on Lit. You're even dumber than Rory, which is a feat in itself.

are you sure?

 

[Le Jacquelope]

What!! so are you saying it resally is a big coverup for the Jews and the Illuminati to take over the world, Hahahahahahahahah idiot.

No wonder he can't get a job.

 

[Fagin]

Exactly, and I love these jerks who admire them for fighting for " their cause". THEY DON'T HAVE A CAUSE!!

I challenge anyone tell me why they are blowing things up !

Their cause is ethnic cleansing.

 

[Le Jacquelope]

Funny, but I thought there were average people going about their jobs in places like Chile, Panama, Venuzuela, Iraq, Iran, etc when the CIA orchestra came to town and blood letting began.

And you know what - it wasnt so much to do with how they operated their governments but how someone else wanted it run to suit their interests. How you dont consider this terrorism is beyond me

Dude, adajh588 is so stupid she once said that Bush had stopped the Taliban.

She's a class act at Moron High, dude. Check her out in this thread:
https://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=355623

 

[adajh588]

Their cause is ethnic cleansing.

Please tell me you are not speaking of their religion and saying that this is their reason behind it.

 

[Borscht]

Wrong. That "murderer" flew his plane into a building full of people just because he happened to hate what the whole damn country represence, it did not change anything, they really just did it to prove that they could. Against popular belief those bombs that we drop have targets....and those targets are not buildings full of innocent lives, though some innocent lives may die. I'm sure the terrorists think that they are doing a wonderful thing, but you cannot tell me that the soldiers that are risking their lives to free a country and keep their country free are going to burn in hell with them.

Yes I can.

AQ launched an unprovoked attack on the US, murdering thousands of civilians.

The US launched an unprovoked attack on Iraq, murdering tens of thousands of civilians.

AQ says its fighting to free the world from US violence.

The US says its fighting to free the world from AQ violence.

AQ has apologists who'll excuse its crimes, no matter how horrific.

So does the US.

You can make an argument that one side is better or worse than the other, but why bother ? Might as well say Stalin was OK because he wasn't Hitler.

 

[adahj588]

Yes I can.

AQ launched an unprovoked attack on the US, murdering thousands of civilians.

The US launched an unprovoked attack on Iraq, murdering tens of thousands of civilians.

But they deserved it. They're muslims. BIG difference.

AQ says its fighting to free the world from US violence.

The US says its fighting to free the world from AQ violence.

But the US is a Christian nation. BIG difference.

AQ has apologists who'll excuse its crimes, no matter how horrific.

So does the US.

But we have American Idol and Desperate Housewives and they don't, so THERE.

You can make an argument that one side is better or worse than the other, but why bother ? Might as well say Stalin was OK because he wasn't Hitler.

Stalin wasn't ok because he killed in the name of godless Communism. We're OK. We kill in the name of God and Capitalism. Well, at least Capitalism. And oil. And Wal Mart.

Ummm, why don't we talk about the NHL instead?

 

[cjh]

Wrong. That "murderer" flew his plane into a building full of people just because he happened to hate what the whole damn country represence, it did not change anything, they really just did it to prove that they could. Against popular belief those bombs that we drop have targets....and those targets are not buildings full of innocent lives, though some innocent lives may die. I'm sure the terrorists think that they are doing a wonderful thing, but you cannot tell me that the soldiers that are risking their lives to free a country and keep their country free are going to burn in hell with them.

remember napalm?

remember hiroshima?

i don't condone terrorist activities. you're soft pedaling the cost in civilian lives in war, though. sometimes deliberate, sometimes reckless, sometimes not. but always inevitable. over 20,000 civilians have been killed in iraq. http://www.iraqbodycount.net/

 

[adajh588]

That actually made me a laugh, you have one hell of a sense of humor. I congratulate you, but that still isn't a parody.

 

[knieval]

While these animals are murdering innocent men, women, and children, some of you act as though these sub-humans are "acting out" because of Iraq, oil, Jews, Israel, capitalism, and so on ad nauseum.

Shove it up your ass.

I don't think anyone wants to make excuses for terrorists. However, doesn't understanding historical foreign policy make sense? At least people can understand why things unfold as they do.

Why did the US CIA fund the coup in Iran in 1953 that eventually led to the fundamentalist revolution in 1979?

Why did Rumsfeld meet with Saddam Hussein in Dec 1983 and back Iraq in the Iran/Iraq war?

Why did the West help arm the Mujahideen in Afghanistan and then allow one of their groups that we now know as the Taliban to emerge as the dominant force after the internal fighting between the warlords subsided?

Why does the West back a regime in Saudi Arabia knowing that it infuriates Osama bin Laden?

There are many questions like this that are clearly answered in history but it seems many don't even think about them when spouting rhetoric on both sides of the political spectrum.

The reasons for historical actions are pretty clear when you read about them retrospectively but the one thing that all these instances have in common is the lack of foresight or 'what if' planning.

Most nations try to act in what they believe to be their own self interest. After all, that is the definition of a nation state. However, they rarely seem to consider the longer term implications of their actions. What is good for today isn't necessarily good for tomorrow. And finally, nation states are historically too insular for their own wellbeing which is a very dangerous position to take if that nation state has global ambitions.

 

[cjh]

I don't think anyone wants to make excuses for terrorists. However, doesn't understanding historical foreign policy make sense? At least people can understand why things unfold as they do.

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good post.

 

[ruminator]

good post.

Yeah it is. It also illustrates how not looking at the true causes-factors that contribute, leads to conditions that make us less safe worldwide.

 

[overthebow]

While these animals are murdering innocent men, women, and children, some of you act as though these sub-humans are "acting out" because of Iraq, oil, Jews, Israel, capitalism, and so on ad nauseum.

Shove it up your ass.

What people? What excuses?

Shove it up *your* ass.

 

[knieval]

good post.

Thanks! I like debate but I wish people would at least consider both sides of any argument before they make their own by reading just a smidgen of the historical context. With the internet, it's not as if it takes much work to look things up these days!

 

[adahj588]

That actually made me a laugh, you have one hell of a sense of humor. I congratulate you, but that still isn't a parody.

You don't know what a parody is, do you?