I'm a racist!

[DVS]

Since DVS and I are exchanging points of view in a civil manner, I have to wonder about the real reasons behind your uncivil objection.

On that point, I have been wondering why you've chosen my thread for our conversation. And when others come to post here, there seems to be a tension building.

Personally, I don't think what Etoile said is that uncivil. She's only saying what I should probably be saying. People like to keep threads on topic, for the most part. A few side posts here and there aren't bad, but you and I have gotten off topic.

I know you have opinions and I do too, but this thread is mostly about a situation that many of us could find ourselves in, some day. True, the racial thing is unique but being out of work isn't unique and problems with unemployment aren't unique.

But, you seem to be focused on BDSM issues or what you call casual BDSM and although I don't quite understand your position on that topic, I do not wish to hear about it, at least not in this thread.

Why don't you start a thread and offer your opinions there, for others to come and read. I'm sure you can have the same lively conversations there as you can here. We can exchange points of view in a civil manner there, just as well as here, and keep peace among the other posters as well.

I don't quite understand what side of that BDSM issue you fall on. When you added McCarthyism to one of your posts, I got completely confused. I thought you were trying to talk about this thread's topic but you said it had nothing to do with race. So, BDSM and McCarthyism I guess? I'd be interested to hear your explanation on that point, but save it for another thread. OK?

So, if you please, I'd really appreciate it if you limit your posts in this thread to past situations you've had to deal with race issues, or maybe someone you know that has had a racial issue. Or, if you wish to comment on my situation that's fine, too. Or, if you want to offer a suggestion to how we might eventually fix this thing we call racism, that would be interesting. But, I'd appreciate it if we keep the posts on topic.

No, I'm not saying we all have to be serious and stoic in this thread. I like humor (not humour) as much as the next guy. And yes, I understand you have only been answering questions asked of you. But, I think those questions will stop too, if your and my side conversation stops. Keeping with the tone and topic of this thread, in the words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?"

~smile~

 

[FurryFury]

I'm sending you good thoughts and energy for your interviews!

 

[DVS]

I agree that what has happened to you is terrible. HR departments are very scared of doing much of anything these days. They are so scared of litigation and such but honestly, the decisions they make based on those fears are often ludicrous because litigation can occur either way. So they are choosing to do something on a basis that is false to begin with.

Who was it that said something to the effect that for evil to flourish, good men must stand by and do nothing?

As for as the HR department in my case, the lawyer said they did everything right. Not that right means right in an ethical sense, but right in a legal sense. They did nothing wrong, but what they did to me was total crap.

Like you said, they were afraid of litigation and spending money defending what they did. The EEOC would be on their case for sure, if they had fired the guy claiming racism. He's the minority. He's the offended party. He's the victim. The poor baby. LOL.

By the way...he still lives with his mother. He's got a girlfriend and a little girl but he can't afford, or won't afford a place of his own, so he still lives with mama. He's in his mid to upper 20s, I think. I'd be curious to know if mama knows he played the race card.



OK, and who said any men involved in this racism/unemployment thing were good? LOL.

 

[FurryFury]

As for as the HR department in my case, the lawyer said they did everything right. Not that right means right in an ethical sense, but right in a legal sense. They did nothing wrong, but what they did to me was total crap.

Like you said, they were afraid of litigation and spending money defending what they did. The EEOC would be on their case for sure, if they had fired the guy claiming racism. He's the minority. He's the offended party. He's the victim. The poor baby. LOL.

By the way...he still lives with his mother. He's got a girlfriend and a little girl but he can't afford, or won't afford a place of his own, so he still lives with mama. He's in his mid to upper 20s, I think. I'd be curious to know if mama knows he played the race card.



OK, and who said any men involved in this racism/unemployment thing were good? LOL.

Point taken.

 

[the_outsider]

Well, I am doing better today. I had my first interview with the national retail chain store. They have a part time job that pays $12 a hour. I think that's pretty good, considering I thought I'd end up getting something like $9.50 or less.

I go back for a second interview tomorrow afternoon. Now, the interview I'm waiting for is tomorrow morning. That job pays better than my previous job and if I get that position and can work part time at the other job, I'll be repaying debts pretty quick.

I don't have either job, yet, so I don't want to get excited. But just the idea that I might have a job in a couple of weeks is helping my outlook on life.

I've received all of the loans I think I'm going to get. The end of May is where my money will run out. I do have another job that's suppose to be a sure thing starting in June. A friend guarenteed he could get me hired. Benefits won't be the best, but in my position, you take what you can get.

Now, if I get the job I interview for tomorrow morning, I think my problems would soon be over. That interview is not crucial but it would help with my sleep habits and that queasy feeling that's been in my stomach for the last couple months.

It's funny about life. You lose something of value or something is stolen from you, and you don't feel whole again until that is replaced. When my car was stolen, I was pissed until I found another one. But while I was looking and the rental bill kept going up, I couldn't stop thinking about what I'd like to do to the guy that stole my car.

For the things I've had stolen and never got replaced, I still have issues, when I think about the thief that took them. I lost a coin collection my grandmother left me, when she died. I lost very old Indian head pennies that were not only worth money but sentimental. I also lost quite a few silver coins, quarters, half dollars and silver dollars. Most were from the 1800s. The pennies were even older. That was in 1983 and I still get pissed when I think about it. Whatever they got for that wasn't near what it was worth to me. They probably got a rock of crack cocaine out of it.

So, if i get a job that pays more than my last job, I'll feel somewhat vindicated. This unemployment crap I'm dealing with is still there and I'll have to complete it if I ever want to see any of the money I'm owed. But, I won't be as desperate about the outcome, if I have a job.

Right now, I feel empty. I can't tell you how many times I've told my story and I always get the same reaction. I know that some day I'll look back at this thread and laugh. Well I hope so. Time will tell.

Things are looking up. i see.

Job, Car, Money, they come and go. That is life. As long as you don't lose hope, and faith, you can fix or replace pretty much everything. Chances are, You will get those two jobs by this week.,and you will be making twice what you did in your previous job. You sound like a smart person, you will easily nail those interviews. I hope.

And if it makes you feel any better. I'm unemployed. With no interviews lined up. Turns out, you're doing better than some people. cheer up buddy.

 

[BLoved]

On that point, I have been wondering why you've chosen my thread for our conversation. And when others come to post here, there seems to be a tension building.

I do not see your problem as a race issue.

I see your problem caused by a conspiracy between a group of individuals to lie about what you've said so as to have you fired.

I've compared it to my situation here where a group of individuals conspire to silence me.

My thought was that my analysis of my situation, which is by no means new to me, might assist you in understanding why you were targetted.

If you read my first couple of entries you will see that I was talking about this problem being a society-wide problem, and one without a cure.

I hope that clarifies my participation in this thread.

 

[DVS]

I do not see your problem as a race issue.

I see your problem caused by a conspiracy between a group of individuals to lie about what you've said so as to have you fired.

I've compared it to my situation here where a group of individuals conspire to silence me.

My thought was that my analysis of my situation, which is by no means new to me, might assist you in understanding why you were targetted.

If you read my first couple of entries you will see that I was talking about this problem being a society-wide problem, and one without a cure.

I hope that clarifies my participation in this thread.

I appreciate your clarification of things and I agree that it's a problem within society that will probably never change.

I agree my situation didn't start as a racist issue, but because I have to explain this to friends and relatives as well as possible employers, I have to deal with the likelihood of these people assuming the EEOC claims were true that it is the racial issue.

I have quite a few personal and professional references that will verify that I'm not a racist, and my record of employment with my former employer doesn't show any racial situations of any kind until the last couple weeks when this all happened, so with a little investigation, my past will prove that I'm not a racist. It's just something that bothers me, because I wasn't brought up to see color and that is what someone has used to target me. That in itself is really what I have an issue with.

I never thought I would be fired, when all of this began. I wasn't bothered at all, when the HR meetings started and the issue of racism was brought up. I knew I had done nothing wrong. But, when I was terminated, I'm sure my face went white. I felt numb because I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

This experience has been an eye opener for me. Life does have it's challenges and fate doesn't wait until you are prepared for those challenges. I was obviously not prepared in a financial sense, and emotionally I would have been able to handle it better if the unemployment situation wasn't like it is.

The economy right now is not the best for looking for work, and because I didn't have any unemployment money coming in, I was seriously worried about my credit and bankruptcy. I also know that employers look at your credit history and basically how you handle your debts. And I related all of this to my being fired and why I was fired. The outlook was grim at best.

I knew I had done nothing wrong, but I still was being forced to deal with it as if I had. And to an outsider, I'm sure I was guilty until proved innocent. That's how society views things. By default, most people assume what they see and hear is true. So, I can say I'm innocent, but convicted felons who are in jail all say the same thing.

 

[DVS]

Well, yesterday I had an interview for the part time job and today I had a second interview. I thought it was to pay $12.00 an hour, but today they corrected it saying that is for someone with experience. Because I don't have experience, I'm only going to get $7.90 an hour. But, I don't care. It's only a part time job.

This morning, I had another interview. This was for the full time job. I really wanted this one, because of the good pay and the great benefits. Not only do they have very nice medical insurance, but they also have very nice dental insurance and vision insurance.

And the last two aren't just a price break, if you go to a special place. It's actual insurance. With the dental, if you go to someone in their HMO, there is no deductible. And you get free use of their very large exercise area that has tennis courts and basketball courts and a weight room, and on and on.

They also have a 403b which is the new 401K, from what I understand. And something most places don't offer any more...a pension plan. All of this is far and away better than my former employer...the one who has no balls in the HR department.

Yes, I interviewed with them this morning and they said it would be a week or two before they would be calling back, if they wanted to hire me. So, I went on to the other job and did the second interview there and got the location for my urinalysis.

I went home to get a bottle of water, to help with that and when I did, I noticed I had a message on my machine. It was the place I interviewed for this morning offering me the job. I don't know what happened to waiting a week or two, but I don't care. I go in tomorrow to sign the offer papers and go to yet another urinalysis for them.

So, I'm feeling pretty good tonight. I've got two offers for jobs and one is for big bucks. Those big bucks will come in handy for paying back all of the credit card crap I've been living off of these last couple of months.

No, I haven't got either job yet, because there is a background check and my urine needs to be clean. Of course it is, but with my luck something will come up.

I think I said this earlier, but the full time job has the government for a client, so the background check will be pretty thorough. I don't have a problem with that, except it might take some time. I still have to survive until then.

Anyway...a happy dance is going on in this house, tonight. I'll have to keep my fingers crossed that they like my urine. I've always paid my bills so the background check should be OK, too. It's just that something can always go wrong.

This is a great birthday present for myself. Now, if I could only get a woman to come to my door and ring my bell. That would be quite the deal for sure.

 

[FurryFury]

This all sounds awesome!

I'm so happy for you!

 

[midwestyankee]

Good for you, DVS! I hope this works out as well as it looks like it will.

 

[Keroin]

*does cartwheels*

Hooray for you, DVS!

 

[BLoved]

I appreciate your clarification of things and I agree that it's a problem within society that will probably never change.

I agree my situation didn't start as a racist issue, but because I have to explain this to friends and relatives as well as possible employers, I have to deal with the likelihood of these people assuming the EEOC claims were true that it is the racial issue.

I don't see how the problem can be characterized as a race issue.

To do so is to indict all non-whites, to suggest any and all members of a particular race will engage in such behaviour.

I consider it a conspiracy of individuals because anyone could engage in such behaviour, regardless of race.

I knew I had done nothing wrong, but I still was being forced to deal with it as if I had. And to an outsider, I'm sure I was guilty until proved innocent. That's how society views things. By default, most people assume what they see and hear is true. So, I can say I'm innocent, but convicted felons who are in jail all say the same thing.

When the mob 'convicts' you through a kangaroo court no defense is possible.

All incentive to play by the rules and be honourable is removed.

The mob gains power and those who are honourable are deposed.

Nazi Germany: '33-'45.

Apparently we fought on the wrong side, judging from the morality of the mob.

No wonder Americans failed to join the war until Japan pushed them into it.

 

[00Syd]

The mob gains power and those who are honourable are deposed.

Nazi Germany: '33-'45.

Apparently we fought on the wrong side, judging from the morality of the mob.

No wonder Americans failed to join the war until Japan pushed them into it.

Oh, please. NOW you're just getting melodramatic.

 

[BiBunny]

Yay, DVS! I *knew* this would be the start of bigger and better things for you. I hope the trend continues.

 

[rida]

This is a great birthday present for myself. Now, if I could only get a woman to come to my door and ring my bell. That would be quite the deal for sure.

*ring door bell*

"Hello DVS!
Sounds like a party is going on here ... may I come in?"



Keeping my finger crossed!

 

[subish2009]

Oh, gosh, SO HAPPY for you! And relieved. Happy birthday to you!!!

 

[chy_girl]

Congratulations DVS and an extra happy birthday for you too! It's so nice to hear that things are starting to turn around.

 

[DVS]

I don't see how the problem can be characterized as a race issue.

To do so is to indict all non-whites, to suggest any and all members of a particular race will engage in such behaviour.

I consider it a conspiracy of individuals because anyone could engage in such behaviour, regardless of race.

It was not a race issue because the whole thing was fabricated. BUT, it was presented as a race issue by a member of a minority race. When he went to the EEOC and filed a claim against a non-minority race he started a government process. He used his status as a minority race to achieve his goal against a non-minority race.

It doesn't mean all minorities would falsify a claim but it does point out that if a member of a minority race wanted to get his non-minority supervisor fired, going to the EEOC with a false claim would very likely work. The same way a woman can claim sexual abuse. The law requires a process to start, once a claim is filed. And not all women would falsify a claim of that sort, but it is in place, and officials are required to follow through with it, even if they have doubts it is true.

When the mob 'convicts' you through a kangaroo court no defense is possible.

All incentive to play by the rules and be honourable is removed.

The mob gains power and those who are honourable are deposed.

Nazi Germany: '33-'45.

Apparently we fought on the wrong side, judging from the morality of the mob.

No wonder Americans failed to join the war until Japan pushed them into it.

I assume this is a comment of ironic humor? If so, I agree. But, if you would be so kind, let's let me bask in my new found job status and my up coming birthday. I needed a little good news and now that I have it, I want to savor it. I've been dealing with this racism thing for a while now, and the constant explaining and rehashing of it is most unpleasant. I hope you understand. And thanks.

 

[Sir_Winston54]

Yep, another name on my ignore list.

Other than that, DVS, I'm truly happy for you. The job offers couldn't have come to a nicer guy. Mazel tov!

 

[00Syd]

P.S. Congrats

 

[Lizzie_Borden]

Yay!!!

 

[graceanne]

~smile~

I knew it! ~smile~=the finger Right?

Anyway...a happy dance is going on in this house, tonight. I'll have to keep my fingers crossed that they like my urine. I've always paid my bills so the background check should be OK, too. It's just that something can always go wrong.

This is a great birthday present for myself. Now, if I could only get a woman to come to my door and ring my bell. That would be quite the deal for sure.

Yay!

I've been praying for you!

Oh, please. NOW you're just getting melodramatic.

Now? I think we left melodramatic behind awhile ago.

 

[FurryFury]

I'm so happy for you DVS!



Congrats!

 

[Netzach]

Oh sweet! I'm so glad another door appears to be opening and maybe even a better one.

 

[DeepGreenEyes]

This is such good news. I'm so happy for you.