Illustrations in text rules

[TammyTrueheart]

I have created a story. I want to use AI generated illustrations to show my characters. I have some questions. I want to have my AI characters nude. I want to show sex without showing details, maybe just a head in a lap type of thing. And I don't want my story to be pigeon holed into the illustrated catagory. What must I adjust or compromise on?

 

[SalaciousASD]

Don't use AI. If you use AI generated illustrations, people will assume your writing is AI. Plus this platform is VERY anti AI, so I'd be careful even mentioning it.

 

[TammyTrueheart]

AI generated photos are already be used and accepted.

 

[THROBBS]

AI generated photos are already be used and accepted.

Some slip through.
If identified as such, they will be removed.
As will nudity.

 

[ElectricBlue]

I have created a story. I want to use AI generated illustrations to show my characters. I have some questions. I want to have my AI characters nude.

The site doesn't host graphic nude content. The site doesn't allow AI content.

I want to show sex without showing details, maybe just a head in a lap type of thing. And I don't want my story to be pigeon holed into the illustrated catagory.

The site only publishes illustrated content in that category, I suspect for technical reasons.

What must I adjust or compromise on?

The AI illustrations - remove them completely. There's not much left, really.

 

[TammyTrueheart]

Thanks. That is not the response I was hoping for. I read elsewhere in the forum that softcore AI images were accepted to publish, but apparently not in stories. It would certainly enhance the spanking material. I have yet to generate any images, so it is no time lost and none to remove. I have sent for a specific answer on this from Literotica themself, but after 10 days, they have not responded to my questions.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Thanks. That is not the response I was hoping for. I read elsewhere in the forum that softcore AI images were accepted to publish, but apparently not in stories. It would certainly enhance the spanking material. I have yet to generate any images, so it is no time lost and none to remove. I have sent for a specific answer on this from Literotica themself, but after 10 days, they have not responded to my questions.

Correct, not in stories. That would mean hosting AI generated content. If you'd been around when the site established its "No AI" content and read the small print and between the lines, the site seems to have had a concern about the legitimacy of AI content in a copyright sense - given that the AI tools had scraped original content without permission from the original authors and artists. I suspect the site got legal advice saying, don't host any such content, it might create problems later.

The "No nude art" policy was an over-reaction about something else, separate to the AI issue.

 

[TammyTrueheart]

AI told me the person who requested the material owned it, but it was not copyrighted because no human created it. It is a gray area I imagine Lit decided not to entertain. AI pictures would greatly enhance the story. I would think nudity would be accepted as long as it was "R". I suspect this is to operate internationally with laws being fluid in nations. For instant in my state I am blocked from certaiin adult sites unless I show proof of age which is hassle I won't entertain. Once they are there, it would be hard to scrub.

 

[TammyTrueheart]

What about an AI generated avatar? I see one person using a full nude photo avatar.

 

[THROBBS]

What about an AI generated avatar? I see one person using a full nude photo avatar.

Please review the image posting guidelines found here: https://www.literotica.com/faq/forum/forum-thread-picture-rules

I have tried to be as lenient as possible with image threads, especially with remote linking to other sites. However, from this point, I will be following the rules to the letter.

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To be "rude" (blunt):

Just "NO"

You may have seen it, but that don't make it right.
Folk run stop lights too.

 

[Katie_Mae]

You may have seen it, but that don't make it right.
Folk run stop lights too.

Agree. To expand, when users upload content they are confirming that the content meets the rules. Lit can't be expected to examine every item uploaded.

By which I mean if a person ticks the box saying "yes, I own the copyright" and they indeed do NOT own the copyright, then there's every chance that Lit is unable to determine they are lying.

Lit has no facility or resources to ask that artists upload proof of creation. Like, we can't upload a speed-paint for every piece, and there's no time for anyone to watch every speed paint, not to mention that many works don't have speed paints at all. There comes a point where you just have to say "these are the rules, abide by them," and rely on user reports to pick up anything that slips through the cracks caused by a cursory glance.

 

[TammyTrueheart]

This is a full frontal nude photo of a woman with her legs spread. She claimed it was her sister in her bio.

 

[TammyTrueheart]

How about a non-nude AI generated Avatar of my main character?

 

[SalaciousASD]

don't generate AI art - it's literally theft from human artists who didn't consent to AI companies training their bots. Please let it go.

 

[THROBBS]

This is a full frontal nude photo of a woman with her legs spread. She claimed it was her sister in her bio.

so?

Now You're gonna "jump off that bridge"?

 

[THROBBS]

How about a non-nude AI generated Avatar of my main character?

How about- "not"

It would be rude.

 

[Katie_Mae]

This is a full frontal nude photo of a woman with her legs spread. She claimed it was her sister in her bio.

Well, you can report that if you like, as it's against the rules.

Remember, nude images used to be allowed. When the rules changed the site had to try and locate and delete everything which was no longer allowed.

I was 8 months into work on an illustrated story when the rules changed, which meant my story in progress that was specifically written/drawn to meet Lit's rules, now broke them. And could never be posted here. The pictures formed part of the narrative in parts, it wasn't a simple "take out the images" solution, it would need a full rewrite.

Many artists had their images stripped from their already published stories, and the entire erotic art category disappeared. I saw stories get low votes and nasty comments from readers just after this happened, as some readers were blaming the authors for what happened.

Yes it sucks that new people can't come here and publish nude art they are yet to make, but consider that many of the people you're talking to had existing work that they created themselves impacted with the change.

 

[THROBBS]

Well, you can report that if you like, as it's against the rules.

Remember, nude images used to be allowed. When the rules changed the site had to try and locate and delete everything which was no longer allowed.

I was 8 months into work on an illustrated story when the rules changed, which meant my story in progress that was specifically written/drawn to meet Lit's rules, now broke them. And could never be posted here. The pictures formed part of the narrative in parts, it wasn't a simple "take out the images" solution, it would need a full rewrite.

Many artists had their images stripped from their already published stories, and the entire erotic art category disappeared. I saw stories get low votes and nasty comments from readers just after this happened, as some readers were blaming the authors for what happened.

Yes it sucks that new people can't come here and publish nude art they are yet to make, but consider that many of the people you're talking to had existing work that they created themselves impacted with the change.

Exactly.

I lost my entire visual artist "library"
And my illustrated stories lost their illustrations, so (for the same reasons as Katie's) I had my stories removed.

This "corner" is now quite skeletal.

 

[TammyTrueheart]

Are you offering to draw me something for free? That is what AI would charge me.

 

[THROBBS]

Are you offering to draw me something for free? That is what AI would charge me.

Who are you talking to?
I am "on ignore"

YOU have never asked me to draw anything.

 

[THROBBS]

Funny that folk want "works" for free.

Is A.I. really free?
Free from consequences/responsibility/morality...?

 

[Katie_Mae]

Who are you talking to?
I am "on ignore"

YOU have never asked me to draw anything.

I don't know who they're asking to work for free either.

Funny that folk want "works" for free.

I know your point here is "free isn't actually free," but I'm going to go off on a tangent here. Content warning for rant of dubious relevance to the current topic in which "you" doesn't refer to you, just some folks in general.

People have always wanted free stuff.

Need an avatar, pick an image off the internet somewhere and use that. I've done it before, I think most people have, at some point. Not everyone of course, but a lot. 25 odd years ago I was on some fandom forums and taking movie stills for avatars or signatures was common. I remember laboriously cutting out (in photoshop by tracing around with my computer mouse) different characters to combine into a single signature banner. We (being me and my friends/online acquaintances) didn't really think about copyright back then.

Now there's AI. Instead of trawling the internet for an image you don't own the copyright to, you can just generate an image you don't own the copyright to.

Of course, there's other ways to get stuff for no $ cost.

You can get images online which are free to use, like free stock images. Stuff made by other people and uploaded for people to use for free- just check the licencing on it. I've made book covers using free stock images before, because I was too lazy to draw something for that story and didn't want to pay for something I was giving away for free.

You can make images yourself, even if you can't draw, most people have access to a camera. grab you phone, take a photo of a flower, the sky, your foot, whatever.

You can get creative people to make stuff for free, but you might have to be nice. I'm making something for a friend just now. She tried to do it herself, I offered to help, she gratefully accepted.

You can offer to trade skills.

But what I don't understand is the current attitude some people have of "if you don't want me to use AI, you're going to have to work for me for free." Not "hey, can someone please make me this, I can't pay sorry but maybe I can help you with editing or something?" not "Hey, does anyone know where I can get free stock images for my book cover."

Was this the case prior to AI? Did people say "If you don't want me stealing a random image, you're going to have to work for me for free?" I don't recall it.

Years ago, I was on a forum where they had inbuilt avatars and you could earn clothing and accessories for them and play dress-ups with your avatar. You could gift items to other users. The crowd was mostly teenage girls. Sometimes, someone would beg for an item. "Pleeeeassssseeeee I neeeed it." The moderators had a saying. "Stop begging. You don't need pixels." If teenage girls could cope with that, surely grown adults can cope with that?

If Lit says they don't want us to use avatars we don't own the copyright to, then we either need to use an appropriate avatar or suck thumb. 'Cos we don't need pixels.

 

[TammyTrueheart]

I am sure people who made buggy whips told people not to buy a car.

 

[CalBishForNow]

I am sure people who made buggy whips told people not to buy a car.

If you want to use AI, there are plenty of sites that will allow it. Just not this one.

There's a good discussion to be had about what happened to the Illustrated category of this site. There are trade-offs either way and regardless of what the site's policy was I'm sure more and better communication about it would have helped. Conversely, there never was an "AI" section of this site to begin with. Feel free to take it elsewhere.

To continue the "car vs. horse" analogy, there are in fact plenty of places even today where cars are not allowed and horses are. Consider Literotica a wooden barn, old but in frequent use and good repair, opening onto a broad corral, surrounded by rolling hills of grassy pasture as far as the eye can see. Driving a Cadillac there would be bad for both the horses and the Cadillac.

 

[THROBBS]

I am sure people who made buggy whips told people not to buy a car.

Poor analogy.

Your implication is that hand drawn art is inferior to A.I. or simply archaic.

I reckon your stories (by that measure) are inferior to A.I. stories.