"Illegitimate"?

[SEVERUSMAX]

I'm not sorry. I have a problem with even the idea of applying that word to another human being. We all have a right to be born, whether our parents said, "I do", or not. Marriage neither adds to nor detracts from the value of the child in question. Whatever you think of sexual mores and issues, bear in mind that people are people. Some are not more "legitimate" than others. That's my two cents on the issue.

Historically, there have been many great and influential "bastards". And, personally, my slave, the love of my life, was born "out of wedlock". So it matters to me in particular. I don't regard her as any less legitimate (or more) than myself, who was born in wedlock.

 

[R. Richard]

I must disagree with you.

The person who drives 35 mph in the fast lane with traffice piled up behind, that person is illegitimate!

The person who brings their cell phone to a concert with the ring tone enabled, that person is illegitimate!

The person who boards the bus unbathed for the last week, that person is illegitimate!

The person who lets their dog shit on the sidewalk and then just walks away, that person is illegitimate!

I am not calling for death without trial here. First a fair trial and then string 'em up from the nearest tree!

JMNTHO.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I must disagree with you.

The person who drives 35 mph in the fast lane with traffice piled up behind, that person is illegitimate!

The person who brings their cell phone to a concert with the ring tone enabled, that person is illegitimate!

The person who boards the bus unbathed for the last week, that person is illegitimate!

The person who lets their dog shit on the sidewalk and then just walks away, that person is illegitimate!

I am not calling for death without trial here. First a fair trial and then string 'em up from the nearest tree!

JMNTHO.

LMAO. Good one.

 

[3113]

I'm not sorry. I have a problem with even the idea of applying that word to another human being.

Well, I think Woodstock and all those Hippies having kids out of wedlock pretty much removed the stigma from illegitmacy--raising a generation of that included illegitimate kids who were taught to take their illegitmacy for granted, rather than be ashamed of it, kinda deflated that balloon.

And if that didn't do the trick, well: surrogate moms and mixed race adoption, cults where men have multiple wives, gay and transexual parents...how can being born out of wedlock even contend when it comes to "shocking" someone? At this point it's pretty ordinary.

 

[sophia jane]

Well, I think Woodstock and all those Hippies having kids out of wedlock pretty much removed the stigma from illegitmacy--raising a generation of that included illegitimate kids who were taught to take their illegitmacy for granted, rather than be ashamed of it, kinda deflated that balloon.

And if that didn't do the trick, well: surrogate moms and mixed race adoption, cults where men have multiple wives, gay and transexual parents...how can being born out of wedlock even contend when it comes to "shocking" someone? At this point it's pretty ordinary.

Yes, it is. Except...there are still many on the religious right who are very vocal about all children needing a mother and a father. It's a common thing, but it's not totally acceptable to many. Which really sucks.

 

[Recidiva]

Yes, it is. Except...there are still many on the religious right who are very vocal about all children needing a mother and a father. It's a common thing, but it's not totally acceptable to many. Which really sucks.

That's okay, those folks aren't acceptable to me, so it's fair.

 

[sophia jane]

That's okay, those folks aren't acceptable to me, so it's fair.

Point well made!
I'm still pretty peeved from my recent (and thankfully brief) excursion onto the focus on the family website.

 

[Recidiva]

Point well made!
I'm still pretty peeved from my recent (and thankfully brief) excursion onto the focus on the family website.

Well...

We have to be understanding of the narrow minded.

If they don't have much mind to play in, that's not they're fault. They're underprivileged and we should make allowances.

 

[cloudy]

Well...

We have to be understanding of the narrow minded.

If they don't have much mind to play in, that's not they're fault. They're underprivileged and we should make allowances.

Bless their little hearts.

 

[Recidiva]

Bless their little hearts.

We should just be grateful for what we have and remember...

I cried because I could not solve integrated calculus in my head...

Until I saw someone with only a medulla oblongata.

Wise words.

 

[cloudy]

We should just be grateful for what we have and remember...

I cried because I could not solve integrated calculus in my head...

Until I saw someone with only a medulla oblongatta.

Wise words.

indeed.

 

[oggbashan]

Yes, it is. Except...there are still many on the religious right who are very vocal about all children needing a mother and a father. It's a common thing, but it's not totally acceptable to many. Which really sucks.

What are they complaining about?

Every child has a mother and a father. If one of them is not around, they have the example of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary to demonstrate that an absentee father is not always bad.

Og

 

[3113]

If one of them is not around, they have the example of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary to demonstrate that an absentee father is not always bad.

Didn't even pay child support, the S.O.B.!

 

[minsue]

Didn't even pay child support, the S.O.B.!

. .

 

[CopyCarver]

. .

A Trinity with four elements: Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and Deadbeat Dad...hmm...It's a mathematical miracle!

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Well, I think Woodstock and all those Hippies having kids out of wedlock pretty much removed the stigma from illegitmacy--raising a generation of that included illegitimate kids who were taught to take their illegitmacy for granted, rather than be ashamed of it, kinda deflated that balloon.

And if that didn't do the trick, well: surrogate moms and mixed race adoption, cults where men have multiple wives, gay and transexual parents...how can being born out of wedlock even contend when it comes to "shocking" someone? At this point it's pretty ordinary.

And, yet, laws restricting inheritance and terms like "illegitimate" reflect vestiges of an unfortunate stigma. Also, plural marriage is plural MARRIAGE. That's not quite bastardy. Ah, you were talking about shock value.

And sophia jane, you should know better than to deal with that crowd. Having a degree doesn't mean that inside the shrink with shrill outrage isn't a peasant with a torch, waiting for a lynch mob to join.

 

[sophia jane]

And, yet, laws restricting inheritance and terms like "illegitimate" reflect vestiges of an unfortunate stigma. Also, plural marriage is plural MARRIAGE. That's not quite bastardy.

And sophia jane, you should know better than to deal with that crowd. Having a degree doesn't mean that inside the shrink with shrill outrage isn't a peasant with a torch, waiting for a lynch mob to join.

I do know better. It was an unfortunate necessity that I pop over there.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

I do know better. It was an unfortunate necessity that I pop over there.

Necessity?

 

[sophia jane]

Necessity?

For school research.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

For school research.

Ah. I see now.

 

[Norajane]

And, yet, laws restricting inheritance and terms like "illegitimate" reflect vestiges of an unfortunate stigma.

Can't say I've ever heard anyone I know use the word 'illegitimate' to describe a child. Is this primarily a legal definition for inheritance?

If we're bitching about legal designations, I want to state for the record how much I hate the use of the word 'spinster' on legal documents, such as house purchases. California uses "unmarried woman" but I cursed throughout my closing in Illinois when I had to sign mortage docs and titles and whatnot with "Spinster" under my name on each and every fricking signature block.

 

[SEVERUSMAX]

Can't say I've ever heard anyone I know use the word 'illegitimate' to describe a child. Is this primarily a legal definition for inheritance?

If we're bitching about legal designations, I want to state for the record how much I hate the use of the word 'spinster' on legal documents, such as house purchases. California uses "unmarried woman" but I cursed throughout my closing in Illinois when I had to sign mortage docs and titles and whatnot with "Spinster" under my name on each and every fricking signature block.

Ouch, that has to hurt!

And, historically, it has been used for inheritance and other things. I just hope that the term can be dismissed entirely from our lexicon someday.

Then again, I am also waiting for neckties to go out of style....

 

[entitled]

Can't say I've ever heard anyone I know use the word 'illegitimate' to describe a child. Is this primarily a legal definition for inheritance?

If we're bitching about legal designations, I want to state for the record how much I hate the use of the word 'spinster' on legal documents, such as house purchases. California uses "unmarried woman" but I cursed throughout my closing in Illinois when I had to sign mortage docs and titles and whatnot with "Spinster" under my name on each and every fricking signature block.

No, it's a fairly common term on any sort of document for a child born out of wedlock.

As for spinster - i'm one, and proud of it!
What most people don't realize is that spinster does not mean an unmarried woman in the most technical terms. A spinster is somebody - man or woman - who makes their living by spinning loose fibers into threads and yarns for use by others. It got the connotation of being a bad thing right about Elizabethan times, when most spinsters were replaced by a more indutrial method of spinning yarn. Since they lost their livelihood (unless they were working for a certain clientele needing a unique type of thread) nobody wanted to marry them.

 

[Recidiva]

No, it's a fairly common term on any sort of document for a child born out of wedlock.

As for spinster - i'm one, and proud of it!
What most people don't realize is that spinster does not mean an unmarried woman in the most technical terms. A spinster is somebody - man or woman - who makes their living by spinning loose fibers into threads and yarns for use by others. It got the connotation of being a bad thing right about Elizabethan times, when most spinsters were replaced by a more indutrial method of spinning yarn. Since they lost their livelihood (unless they were working for a certain clientele needing a unique type of thread) nobody wanted to marry them.

Not even if they had really big boobies? *gasp*

 

[entitled]

Not even if they had really big boobies? *gasp*

Scary, innit?