Iconic Ground Zero photo was nearly excluded from museum for being too 'rah-rah' Amer

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Iconic Ground Zero photo was nearly excluded from museum for being too 'rah-rah' American


By MELISSA KLEIN
Last Updated: 5:47 AM, July 28, 2013
Posted: 12:03 AM, July 28, 2013


This iconic picture of firefighters raising the stars and stripes in the rubble of Ground Zero was nearly excluded from the 9/11 Memorial Museum — because it was “rah-rah” American, a new book says.

Michael Shulan, the museum’s creative director, was among staffers who considered the Tom Franklin photograph too kitschy and “rah-rah America,” according to “Battle for Ground Zero” (St. Martin’s Press) by Elizabeth Greenspan, out next month.

“I really believe that the way America will look best, the way we can really do best, is to not be Americans so vigilantly and so vehemently,” Shulan said.


U.S.EH? This iconic Ground Zero image was seen as too “vehemently” American by some 9/11 Museum staffers.

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U.S.EH? This iconic Ground Zero image was seen as too “vehemently” American by some 9/11 Museum staffers.

Shulan had worked on a popular post-9/11 photography exhibit called “Here is New York” in Soho when he was hired by Alice Greenwald, director of the museum, for his “unique approach.”

Eventually, chief curator Jan Ramirez proposed a compromise, Greenspan writes. The Franklin shot was minimized in favor of three different photos via three different angles of the flag-raising scene.

“Several images undercut the myth of ‘one iconic moment,’ Ramirez said, and suggest instead an event from multiple points of view, like the attacks more broadly,” the book says.

“Shulan didn’t like three photographs more than he liked one, but he went along with it.”

Shulan told The Post he didn’t know that the way Greenspan described the discussion about the photographs “is the way that I would have.”

“My concern, as it always was, is that we not reduce [9/11] down to something that was too simple, and in its simplicity would actually distort the complexity of the event, the meaning of the event,” he said.

Shulan was living in Soho on Sept. 11, 2011. He helped organize the “Here is New York” exhibit shortly after the attack, and it grew to include thousands of photographs taken by professionals and ordinary New Yorkers. The collection was later donated to the New-York Historical Society.

The photograph wasn’t the only item officials and family members argued over. Early on, it was decided that no human remains or photos of body parts be included in the museum. Dust from the collapse of the Towers will be on display, “but only dust which has been tested and determined not to contain remains,” Greenspan writes.

However, it was nearly impossible to determine if one artifact — called “the composite” — followed that rule. Three feet tall and 15 tons, the composite contains about four or five building stories compressed by pressure and heat into one solid block, with bits of paper and the edges of filing cabinets poking out of the surface.

The museum tested the outside of the composite and found it negative for DNA. But they couldn’t test inside it without the risk of destroying it. Eventually, despite the uncertainty and over the objections of some 9/11 family members, the piece was included.
 
The “way America will look best”? To whom? The people who attacked us? Anti-Americanism run amok.:mad:
 
What about that picture you used of Osama bin Laden on the American flag? SHould they frame that one in a museum?
 
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"Rah rah America"????

Why fuck yes, you incomplete asshole. Why WOULDN'T that be appropriate for the most exceptional country and government yet produced on the planet?

I categorically DEFY anyone to find a more exceptional country--present troubles notwithstanding.

I am PROUD to be American, PROUD to enjoy the privilege of living here, and PROUD to stand up for her.

I would further suggest that any who are disenchanted with our nation and it's precepts should find another venue to be disenchanted in. One where it is as safe to express opinion as here.

Be real easy to go off on a long rant here so I will stop for now.
 
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"Rah rah America"????

Why fuck yes, you incomplete asshole. Why WOULDN'T that be appropriate for the most exceptional country and government yet produced on the planet?

I categorically DEFY anyone to find a more exceptional country--present troubles notwithstanding.

I am PROUD to be American, PROUD to enjoy the privilege of living here, and PROUD to stand up for her.

I would further suggest that any who are disenchanted with our nation and it's precepts should find another venue to be disenchanted in. One where it is as safe to express opinion as here.

Be real easy to go off on a long rant here so I will stop for now.
The usual lies.
 
I wonder if America will even be presented in the "moo see um":cool:
 
CULTURAL DEGENERATION: Iconic Ground Zero photo was nearly excluded from museum for being too ‘rah-rah’ American. It’s a problem when the people who are supposed to be the curators of your culture fundamentally don’t like it. “I really believe that the way America will look best, the way we can really do best, is to not be Americans so vigilantly and so vehemently.”
 
shut up and pick the penny up off the ground jOO boy before miles ben zonah gets to it first
 
Perhaps photos of the 1970 Kent State hippie massacre would have been more politically appropriate.
 
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I think that since it was Blue America that was attacked that they should have a museum that reflects their values and apologies. They should have a wing of Palestinian outrage, for example. Also important would be pictures of the boots on the ground in Saudi Arabia that so outraged bin Laden. We need an outreach wing to explain to visiting Muslims that we understand our provocative behavior and our willingness to submit before and to Allah...

That is the kind of museum we should be willing to let them build while we work on building a wall around a border that we can secure.

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And they need to loot Wall Street and Gordon Gekko to build the 9-11 Victory Mosque and Madrassa...
 
AJ, busybody, vetteman and Mike Yates. Not one of them saw the word "nearly" in the thread title.
 
Putting Out the Fire


By Mark Steyn

August 1, 2013 7:25 AM


Re Michael Shulan, the “creative director” of the 9/11 Museum who thinks that picture of firemen raising the flag is too “rah-rah America“, The New York Post’s Andrea Peyser asked Billy Eisengrein to respond:


“If it was up to me — and you can print this — if he thinks that picture is too rah-rah America, he should move someplace better in this world to live. I’ve had it with political correctness. It’s taking the country down.’’

It’s remarkable that not even the Flight 93 memorial and the 9/11 Museum could avoid falling into the hands of the usual empty poseur equivalists like Mr Shulan. You don’t need to blow up the joint when it’s that hollowed out from within.
 
Old Glory daze stings
By ANDREA PEYSER
Last Updated: 6:41 AM, August 1, 2013
Posted: 1:35 AM, August 1, 2013



His name is Billy Eisengrein, better known as the third firefighter on the right.

On Sept. 11, 2001, Billy stood amid the wreckage of Ground Zero when he spotted two firefighters. One held in his hand a miracle: a large, unscathed American flag.

Climbing atop the roof of a construction trailer, piled with debris that used to be the World Trade Center, the men — George Johnson (on the left), Daniel McWilliams (center), and William “Billy’’ Eisengrein — proudly hoisted that flag into the air.

The moment was captured, in its poetry, by the shutter of Record photographer Thomas Franklin.







But 12 years later, that moment has been reduced to rubble.

For the picture of the men, victoriously raising the Stars and Stripes in defiance of the terrorists who tried to destroy us, was slammed and slandered by some staffers at the yet-to-open 9/11 Museum.

Creative director Michael Shulan called the snap too “rah rah America.’’ So says a new book, “Battle for Ground Zero.’’

Eventually, the photo was placed in the museum — grouped with two other pictures, its power reduced by America-averse pinheads.

Once again, Billy Eisengrein feels he’s under attack.

“It offends me as an American,’’ he told me. “To downplay and diminish [the picture]. It is bulls--t!

“It’s political correctness and trying to rewrite history. People are not afraid about offending Americans, and people who have a strong belief on what this country was founded on,’’ said Billy, 49, still a firefighter at Rescue 2 in Brooklyn.

“If it was up to me — and you can print this — if he thinks that picture is too rah-rah America, he should move someplace better in this world to live. I’ve had it with political correctness. It’s taking the country down.’’

Well said, Billy.

How far we’ve fallen since 9/11. The case of the savaged picture illustrates how displays of patriotism make some folks uncomfortable. Many in power, in the media, and even those designing museums that co-star terrorists would rather meditate on what America did to make them hate us, rather than what we can do to vanquish our enemies. A compromise over the picture was proposed by curator Jan Ramirez. The flag-waving photo was minimized in favor of three shots, taken at different angles of the scene.

“Shulan didn’t like three photographs more than he liked one, but he went along with it,’’ said the book.

Ramirez seemed determined to include the photo, albeit in its depleted state. “Several images undercut the myth of ‘one iconic moment’ and suggest instead an event from multiple points of view, like the attacks more broadly,’’ she was quoted as saying
 
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