I think I've lost the plot somewhere...

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"WASHINGTON (Reuters) -- A draft U.S. military plan for an invasion of Iraq is said to envision a multipronged attack with tens of thousands of Marines and soldiers probably invading from Kuwait, The New York Times reported Friday.

Citing a person familiar with the document, the newspaper said the highly classified plan calls for air, land and sea-based forces to attack from three directions in a campaign to topple Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein."


We've all heard the stories that this is what George has been aiming for since he took over the Presidency. And we all know that logistically America's senior military men say it would take over 250,000 fighting men, plus all the equipment, support units and any help from allies that can mustered.

But somewhere along the way I've forgotten why America wants to go to war against Iraq. Is it because Bush doesn't personally like Sadaam? Is America on one of its terrorist hunting kicks? Or is it because rumours have been spreading about 'weapons of mass destruction' being manufactured there?

Or is it because George needs to keep his popularity rating high?

Judging from his failure to eliminate al Qaida and find bin Laden George's track record hasn't proved too successful so far. That makes it even more curious why he should want to commit so many of America's youngest and finest to almost certain death.

Whether he's doing it to hunt down terrorists or destroy Sadaam's weapons before he has a chance to use them the experience of Afghanistan should have shown George that Special Forces can be used more effectively than mass invasion. It may take longer but it will be more thorough.

But if he's doing it because he doesn't like Sadaam or because of his need to keep his 'war' popularity high in the polls, then there is no answer.

He's just willing to turn the USA into an aggressive, invading force forever destined to be looking over her shoulder at friends and foes alike, wondering whom she can trust.

As I've said, I've lost the plot somewhere...

ppman
 
LovetoGiveRoses said:
Good that you lost the plot. Maybe you won't say anything more about it then.

I wouldn't count on it!

This planned invasion of Iraq just doesn't seem to make any sense.

No matter which way you look at it.

ppman
 
ppman,

Pardon my intrusion but when I read your posts, I have this yearning to bend you over my knee.

Do you have a firm rear, love? ;)
 
Perhaps it all a plot to try and breath life back into the American economy...
Seeing has how one little war doesn't seem to be helping...
 
Keeping his approval rating high has been the job of every president. Bush likes to monopolize the whole "War President" image. I don't know why since it did jack for his father, but oh well.

I believe our general reasons are that Iraq is a religeous/military dictatorship, and they have proven to be expansionist. They also hate us and could be a threat to our oil supply. They also aren't fond of the Israelis, who are our allies for some reason noone has made clear to me yet (seriously, I'm not agitating here. No one has told me why.). Finally, Saddam doesn't seem to understand even the idiotic the concept of deterrence, and we aren't sure that he or his country is stable enough to handle having nukes.
 
I would really like to know who is leaking these highly classified documents to the press.


1) These are actually unoffical leaks that someone who does not like the whole idea of invading iraq and so he/she is leaking the plans. Unlikely but not impossible. Still a very dangerous and balsy way to have your opinion heard.


2) That these are offical leaks that the Pentagon is using to spread misinformation about the campaign. Similar to how in the gulf war we made the iraqis think the attack would come from the sea by using misinformation and by having seals to some raids onto the beach.

3) The leaks could just be political bluster to make the iraqis think twice about doing stupid things.
 
Funnily enough there has just been a...

news item on TV about this - after I started the thread.

I'm not the only one who's curious apparantly. Some Bush and America watchers are saying that his plan is unworkable anyway, as it doesn't take into consideration the use of Iraqi opposition elements. If Bush's intended aim, as he says, is just to get rid of Sadaam, then he must make use of the opposition to form a new Government if he succeeds. But so far these don't seem to have been brought into the equation.

As for the leaks Azwed, the news item reported that these were probably deliberate in a the run up between the latest talks between the US and Iraq, Which, at the moment, are not making much progress.

The Iraqi spokesman's view on the invasion threat was that it's all idiotic bluster.

A view I think I can subscribe to.

George "Dead or Alive" Bush is just being his usual Hollywood self.

Where I take exception is that he actually thinks people believe him...

ppman
 
Re: Funnily enough there has just been a...

p_p_man said:

Where I take exception is that he actually thinks people believe him...

ppman

Of course that's nothing new with a politician. But with George having such an unstable mental process it can be extremely dangerous.

ppman
 
juicylips said:
You're scaring me.

Are you posting to yourself?:D

Morning :kiss:
JL

LOL...

Morning JL.

There's a few hours sleep between the last post and the one before it. I just happened to wake up with that thought in my head...

:D
 
p_p_man said:

I just happened to wake up with that thought in my head...

:D

A thought in the head of p_p_man?? I'll be sure to mark this date on the calender because it only happens once every 20 years. :D
 
Good analysis Az.

As soon as he can, Saddam will use WMD against us, possibly, against Israel, likely, against Iran probably, against the Kurds in his own country...

Well, you gotta test the stuff somewhere!
 
you agitator

You just ask these stupid questions here on these boards to stir things up and cause a ruckus, you trouble-maker!

If you really wanted to know why you would have simply asked me instead of making a whole stupid post about it!

Now where is a simile for halfway serious and halfway tongue in cheek?
 
On the pipe again?

Tongue in crack

So is that why you can't think worth a damn sometimes SIN? On the Wacky (or in this case "Cracky")-Tobbaccy?

Lay off the coke SIN, now I know why your tongue was so white!
 
I don't do coke or meth...

What's the line about Assholes and intensity?
 
I don't know

However you seem VERY familiar with it, coincidence? I think perhaps not.
 
I was a flaming liberal raised at the feet of the Clinton Generation and IN THE PAST I have tried every drug, every type of sex, and every other self-degrading piece of nonsence that crowd believed in, so yes, on many, many matters, I can speak from experience!


But the crack I referred to is closer to the arse cheeks...
 
I knew exactly what you meant, why do you think you got a witty retort in the first place in return for your insult to me?
 
I'm really slow, so if you tell me what the insult was, I will apologize, but I REALLY do not know to which you allude.
 
Thanks for letting me off the hook!

I miss a lot at times...

Show mercy for the feeble-minded and Buddha will show you mercy.
 
SINthysist said:
Good analysis Az.

!

Err I just got a compliment from so I either walked through my parallel universe portal again or he was being sarcastic ;)
 
No, basically you hit the nail on the head.

We both know I play sarcasim a lot broader...























Besides, we all know the one about blind pigs and truffles hee hee
 
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