I Quit

[SilkVelvet]

Have PMd Miss Taken and told her how I feel about the Free for All and also posted my views on relevant threads.

Lit has always been a special place to me, my cyber home form home, but as I informed Miss T, I just quit. Not sour grapes because my thread was moved, but because I have a life and don't want to get involved in all the bickering that is going to result and the divisive them and us serious and fluff posters stuff that will result because of this latest move. I just don't need it .

So thank you all fro the great advice and the humour and the intellectual debate, I enjoyed it all

Wishing you all the best for the future

Velvet

 

[catalina_francisco]

It is a shame that the bickering has made you leave literotica. We hope that you will reconsider since we will miss your intelligent input, your sense of humour and your compassion for others. You have been in our opinion a great companion to talk with and we definitely are going to stay in contact.

I have to say though that I can understand your reasons and we have had very similar feelings.

Francisco & Catalina

 

[MissTaken]

As I replied to you personally, I am truly sorry to see you feel you need to leave.

I would suggest, if interested, that you check back in a few days and see what the forum or forums look like by then.

As for bickering, lit is founded on free speech and the bickering is part of that philosophy, even though no one enjoys it.

For my part, I have always been a believer in ignoring it and moving on. There are times I find myself sucked into a flame war, but will continue to do my best to stay out of the negativity and arguing unless I have something meanigful to add.

 

[Etoile]

all the bickering that is going to result and the divisive them and us serious and fluff posters stuff that will result because of this latest move.

I don't see that as a necessary happening. Maybe it will, but I sure wouldn't expect it. Then again, I'm an optimist.

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: Re: I Quit

I don't see that as a necessary happening. Maybe it will, but I sure wouldn't expect it. Then again, I'm an optimist.

AND you've been here long enough to see the board evolution over time. Change is usually a good thing in the end. Especially when it is the owner coming up with the idea herself- she is brilliant when it comes to Lit. I still say trust her judgment and give her idea a chance.

I wonder if some of you that are so unwilling to try new things here are the same way in your "real" lives? Even the Playground people weren't THAT stubborn to act like five year olds, stomp their feet, and leave.

You people in bdsm do write MUCH better than the Playground founding members ever did though. (That's a compliment, by the way.)

 

[Richard49]

I am very close behind you

This board needs people partciapting to make money
without money/income the board will not exist

I have seen more and more people driven away
and for Miss T to ask why some lurk

and she goes on and on giving the bullies premission ot be bullies ....

While what comes around goes around

 

[lovetoread]

Good bye. Have fun out there in cyber land.

 

[Mastersprincess]

I hate to see you leave and I hope you check back in a bit and see how things are. Every community with such a diversity of people is bound to have it's moments.

I think that the events leading up to the free for all forum were disconcerting to many of us, but I am keeping an open mind about it (the forum).

This might be a truly positive addition to Lit....I've seen many serious threads pushed down as the "fluffier" threads get more posts. I, for one, enjoy the fluff threads as much as the serious ones and think this might give everyone an opportunity to hang out in either forum depending on their present mood.

It's there, it's done.....lets all give it a chance before knocking it.

princess

 

[zipman]

I posted this on another thread but think it is appropriate here as well.

I was watching a comedian who was being heckled for making gay jokes. The Comedians' reply was "If you can take it up the ass, you should be able to take a joke."

The same concept applies here. People have two choices, either leave, or help make this forum what you want it to be.


whichever choice you make, best wishes!

 

[SexyChele]

I can understand a decision to leave if you feel your life needs more attention at this point in time. Heck, we all go through that. You are not the only one concerned about the split, and I think you might have already picked up on that. Moving threads around doesn't happen all the time, but it does happen periodically. I wish there was a way to do it more gently, but sometimes that is just not possible.

Will there be a split? Personally, I think it's inevitable. Happened with the Playground, and it will probably happen here. People will decide for themselves where they feel comfortable and post there. It's an individual choice.

Sorry to see you make this decision. Hopefully there will come a day when you will come back.

 

[SexyChele]

Re: Re: Re: I Quit

AND you've been here long enough to see the board evolution over time. Change is usually a good thing in the end. Especially when it is the owner coming up with the idea herself- she is brilliant when it comes to Lit. I still say trust her judgment and give her idea a chance.

I wonder if some of you that are so unwilling to try new things here are the same way in your "real" lives? Even the Playground people weren't THAT stubborn to act like five year olds, stomp their feet, and leave.

You people in bdsm do write MUCH better than the Playground founding members ever did though. (That's a compliment, by the way.)

Cheyenne - I've always appreciated the straightforward manner of your posts. You rarely take any gruff and that is a good thing. Yes, it was explained to me this morning that the splitting of forums was ultimately Laurel's idea. Good idea? Bad idea? I don't know. It's her board, she can do as she pleases and she need not listen to one person here. If one leaves, 3 more will come. What's the diff to her? I do respect Laurel and live by the rules and guidelines she has set up. If I didn't, I would simply find another place to post.

But to imply the people here are 5 year olds is simply not a fair statement. How many of us have you taken the time to get to know? I've posted on all forums of Lit, including threads where you have posted. Yet, I doubt you even know who I am, do you? And because of something I may have written here, you call me a 5 year old?

You admitted to stirring up shit. Fine. So be it. Now that people are upset, you ridicule them. Is that fair? Especially since you know so little about any of us here?

We all know what a wonderful example of getting along the Playground has been, don't we? I've seen you jump into the fracas when some one from the Playground dares to start or contribute to a thread on the GB. Get along? Heck no! The Playground and the GB have always had that "us and them" mentality since day one. I'm sure you know how it goes: Those from the Playground are only brainless airheads who post long sig lines and miles of emoticons and fluffy bullshit. Those from the GB are heartless and cruel and have more fun just ripping people apart. Yeah, sounds just like the poster child for "change", doesn't it?

Hmmm...I wonder if the "new" BDSM forum will simply give those on the GB another avenue for ridicule and poking fun at. I guess the Playground has gotten a little boring, now that it's been around for a year or so, huh?

 

[Ebonyfire]

Change?

I believe it is a mistake to use what people do here as litmus paper proof of how they like or dislike change. This is an anonymous porn site, and people here can act pretty much how they please, without fear of too much happening.

It is all a matter of choice. If you like it here you stay, if you don't you leave. Some leave for good, others come back as the need arises.

In short, this place just is not that important in the scheme of things.

 

[catalina_francisco]

As I have not had time to check out the details of what is happening, but have been given a brief rundown, I have decided to add my own comments for now. Change is good...when instigated by those that have an interest in it, not their obvious critics who have shown in the past they, or at least one main player from what I have seen who has gathered the troops, have a set agenda against BDSM.

Is ironic that while Lit has gained a reputation for it's open forum and intelligent disscussions held on the BDSM board, so unlike most sites, it now caves in to the admitted to and intended disruptions from someone who is mainstream and really has no interest in what the regulars on the board do, except to judge and generally try to sabotage the validity and integrity of such a forum. They have a choice to leave the thread if they are not happy with the content, or more to the point really have no interest in it or it's content.

Why it surprises me is puzzling though as it is the expected outcome with most minority interests when mainstream people decide to antagonise for their own purposes and delight in the slanderous and childish bullying they are so good at. I had hoped Laurel would take all the facts into account and look long and hard at the recent smear campaign amongst other efforts to hijack several threads where previously serious issues were being discussed.

IMO as an advocate and active supporter, professionally, politicallyu, and personally, of previously and still often oppressed groups, it is reflective of so many historical issues involving marginalised groups such as gays, racial groups, women, and alternative sexualities. The mainstream groups hold themselves up as the 'perfect examples' of 'normal' human behaviour and then set out to oppress all others. I had believed Literotica was intelligent enough to see through it and if any judgement were to be ade and action were to be taken, it should perhaps be the expelling of such perpetrators from the BDSM thread, and possibly the site.

Catalina

 

[Ebonyfire]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I Quit

Cheyenne - I've always appreciated the straightforward manner of your posts. You rarely take any gruff and that is a good thing. Yes, it was explained to me this morning that the splitting of forums was ultimately Laurel's idea. Good idea? Bad idea? I don't know. It's her board, she can do as she pleases and she need not listen to one person here. If one leaves, 3 more will come. What's the diff to her? I do respect Laurel and live by the rules and guidelines she has set up. If I didn't, I would simply find another place to post.

But to imply the people here are 5 year olds is simply not a fair statement. How many of us have you taken the time to get to know? I've posted on all forums of Lit, including threads where you have posted. Yet, I doubt you even know who I am, do you? And because of something I may have written here, you call me a 5 year old?

You admitted to stirring up shit. Fine. So be it. Now that people are upset, you ridicule them. Is that fair? Especially since you know so little about any of us here?

We all know what a wonderful example of getting along the Playground has been, don't we? I've seen you jump into the fracas when some one from the Playground dares to start or contribute to a thread on the GB. Get along? Heck no! The Playground and the GB have always had that "us and them" mentality since day one. I'm sure you know how it goes: Those from the Playground are only brainless airheads who post long sig lines and miles of emoticons and fluffy bullshit. Those from the GB are heartless and cruel and have more fun just ripping people apart. Yeah, sounds just like the poster child for "change", doesn't it?

Hmmm...I wonder if the "new" BDSM forum will simply give those on the GB another avenue for ridicule and poking fun at. I guess the Playground has gotten a little boring, now that it's been around for a year or so, huh?

Chele,

I really enjoyed your post.

It is easy to ridicule people you do not know. I do it myself when someone pisses me off. As for how people deal with change, I have posted about that. This is just a place to waste time.

As for acting like 5 year olds, it is the nature of adulthood to revert to childish behavour when you need to. BFD ( to those not in the know, that means big fucking deal).

No one is adult 24/7, no one is dom or sub 24/7. At best all we can hope for is to be human 24/7.


I hope that the not-so-hidden agendas of our visitors are satisfied cause I for one find all of this B - O - R - I - N - G.

 

[A Desert Rose]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I Quit

Hmmm...I wonder if the "new" BDSM forum will simply give those on the GB another avenue for ridicule and poking fun at. I guess the Playground has gotten a little boring, now that it's been around for a year or so, huh?

I hope this point does not get lost on most readers.

Those of us who adhere, however loosely to the bdsm "lifestyle" are already misunderstood and ridiculed. With this new subforum thre is now new and furtile ground for those who want to make more fun.

But, as has been pointed out nurmerous times, this site is owned by others. It's really neither here nor there what anyone thinks.

This is just an observation on my part....

 

[FungiUg]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I Quit

Those of us who adhere, however loosely to the bdsm "lifestyle" are already misunderstood and ridiculed. With this new subforum thre is now new and furtile ground for those who want to make more fun.

Sorry, but I don't feel ridiculed or persecuted. Oh sure, there are occasional trouble makers (ala one rather memorable one by the name of Lance a few months back.) But they are a minority.

Maybe it's because I'm big enough and scary enough and verbose enough to stick up for myself?

Anyway, I live my life for me, and I make my own choices. I am not a sheep. If others decide to misunderstand or ridicule me, I am happy to educate or ignore them as the case may be.

 

[ammre]

i'm still sort of a newbie to the boards and recently i had a dry spell where time and a lack of internet connection kept me from visiting here... i came back and all this drama was happening...

I guess i have the wonder of the 3rd person aspect but in my opinion, It's just a website. Their words are jsut text which in the end only ammount to a bunch of 0's and 1's. if you don't like what their saying ignore it. Only your friends should be close enough to you for their words to hurt... don't hold petty grudges and don't start trivial fights.
Life's too short to be spent being angry at people online.

as for the "free for all" section. If you can still find your posts, why not? You have a library and you have a club... you don't go to the club to read and you don't go to the library to party...
Granted, it was fun to have a mix of the two and i think a club/library would be fun, but in the end it can be distracting...

I think we should all love eachother and whip eachother and the world will be a happy place...

(i feel like a guidence councler... *wanders off with a headband of dasies and big dreamy eyes*)

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I Quit

Cheyenne - I've always appreciated the straightforward manner of your posts. You rarely take any gruff and that is a good thing. Yes, it was explained to me this morning that the splitting of forums was ultimately Laurel's idea. Good idea? Bad idea? I don't know. It's her board, she can do as she pleases and she need not listen to one person here. If one leaves, 3 more will come. What's the diff to her? I do respect Laurel and live by the rules and guidelines she has set up. If I didn't, I would simply find another place to post.

But to imply the people here are 5 year olds is simply not a fair statement. How many of us have you taken the time to get to know? I've posted on all forums of Lit, including threads where you have posted. Yet, I doubt you even know who I am, do you? And because of something I may have written here, you call me a 5 year old?

You admitted to stirring up shit. Fine. So be it. Now that people are upset, you ridicule them. Is that fair? Especially since you know so little about any of us here?

We all know what a wonderful example of getting along the Playground has been, don't we? I've seen you jump into the fracas when some one from the Playground dares to start or contribute to a thread on the GB. Get along? Heck no! The Playground and the GB have always had that "us and them" mentality since day one. I'm sure you know how it goes: Those from the Playground are only brainless airheads who post long sig lines and miles of emoticons and fluffy bullshit. Those from the GB are heartless and cruel and have more fun just ripping people apart. Yeah, sounds just like the poster child for "change", doesn't it?

Hmmm...I wonder if the "new" BDSM forum will simply give those on the GB another avenue for ridicule and poking fun at. I guess the Playground has gotten a little boring, now that it's been around for a year or so, huh?

Where did I call you a 5 year old? I said those people who "act like five year olds, stomp their feet, and leave" but I didn't see anyplace where you said you were leaving the board.

The accurate comparison isn't between the Playground and the GB, as they have ALWAYS been separate. Yes, I think the styles are very different between those two boards. I can't stand more than about 2 minutes of the Playground, so I never go there. However, if they post opinions on the general board, they are welcomed for their opinions. They just have to expect to also get shit if they have Las Vegas style color coded posts with neon flashing lights in their sig lines. When in Rome...

The Playground wasn't born from the GB, it was born from the PERSONALS board. This new board was born from the BDSM talk board, not the GB. See the difference? And yes, I will be that if you check the Playground's opinion, they love the place as it is now. They didn't like it one bit when it was born though. Nope, not at all. Luckily there were a few people willing to stand up and say they'd try it.

p.s. My shitstirring comment was on the GB, not here. It referred to asking Lance which of his comments in the bdsm board about MissTaken he really believed. The "shitstirring" part came because I knew I'd be accused of moving a bdsm issue to the general board. I moved it there only because it disappeared from here. Ironic, huh? They want you to keep your crap here, and you think it is their crap to keep there.

 

[kayte]

Re: Re: Re: I Quit

AND you've been here long enough to see the board evolution over time. Change is usually a good thing in the end. Especially when it is the owner coming up with the idea herself- she is brilliant when it comes to Lit. I still say trust her judgment and give her idea a chance.

I wonder if some of you that are so unwilling to try new things here are the same way in your "real" lives? Even the Playground people weren't THAT stubborn to act like five year olds, stomp their feet, and leave.

You people in bdsm do write MUCH better than the Playground founding members ever did though. (That's a compliment, by the way.)

Interesting denigrating comments on the people who like to visit and chat on the Playground.

Guess that is why I lurk on BDSM Talk more than post... There is some good information. Or at least there was.

Don't like to get involved with the immaturity seen. Guess I am leaving myself open here.

 

[kayte]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I Quit

Where did I call you a 5 year old? I said those people who "act like five year olds, stomp their feet, and leave" but I didn't see anyplace where you said you were leaving the board.

The accurate comparison isn't between the Playground and the GB, as they have ALWAYS been separate. Yes, I think the styles are very different between those two boards. I can't stand more than about 2 minutes of the Playground, so I never go there. However, if they post opinions on the general board, they are welcomed for their opinions. They just have to expect to also get shit if they have Las Vegas style color coded posts with neon flashing lights in their sig lines. When in Rome...

The Playground wasn't born from the GB, it was born from the PERSONALS board. This new board was born from the BDSM talk board, not the GB. See the difference? And yes, I will be that if you check the Playground's opinion, they love the place as it is now. They didn't like it one bit when it was born though. Nope, not at all. Luckily there were a few people willing to stand up and say they'd try it.

p.s. My shitstirring comment was on the GB, not here. It referred to asking Lance which of his comments in the bdsm board about MissTaken he really believed. The "shitstirring" part came because I knew I'd be accused of moving a bdsm issue to the general board. I moved it there only because it disappeared from here. Ironic, huh? They want you to keep your crap here, and you think it is their crap to keep there.

What wasn't liked was there was no notice given to those subscribed to threads there. They were just gone, the threads and the subscriptions.

It was poorly handled. That is my only complaint about it.

 

[Cheyenne]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I Quit

What wasn't liked was there was no notice given to those subscribed to threads there. They were just gone, the threads and the subscriptions.

It was poorly handled. That is my only complaint about it.

Ah, now THAT I DO remember as being a problem when the Playground was born, too! There was a lot of outcry from those who had threads subsribed to and those links were broken. It took awhile for everyone to find each other again.

You have a point in that the new board was opened quickly and threads moved quickly. Maybe opening it and putting NEW threads there only at first, while moving the other "never ending threads" (is that just a GB term?) over time might have been better.

 

[kayte]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I Quit

Ah, now THAT I DO remember as being a problem when the Playground was born, too! There was a lot of outcry from those who had threads subsribed to and those links were broken. It took awhile for everyone to find each other again.

You have a point in that the new board was opened quickly and threads moved quickly. Maybe opening it and putting NEW threads there only at first, while moving the other "never ending threads" (is that just a GB term?) over time might have been better.

You got me regarding the 'term'.

Hope this all works out for everyone.

Seems like it is something like the 'events' last summer here? Could it be due to extra sunshine for us?

Gee, even remembered to turn my sig line off here this time.

 

[incubus_dark]

In my experience, people who post messages declaring that they are leaving a bulletin board, on line community or whatever, are seeking attention. If they didn't wish to seek attention they'd just go. Are you telling us becuase you want to have people tell you how wonderful, valuable and indispensable you are? Because you think your viewpoint hasn't been addressed as you would like? Or something else?

 

[Lancecastor]

I always find it hilarious that BDSM people can preach about openess and their desire to be free to have sex in alternative ways....yet always the very first ones to try and legislate how you think, talk, spell, punctuate and post on an anonymous internet chat site.

What total fucking hypocrisy it is for MissIt'sAllGood to unilaterally decide we need a new Forum and that some of our thoughts don't rank with "her" vision! Fuck you.

Free speech my ass...I've never seen any group anywhere as closed-minded as the arseholes who've Moderated the BDSM Forum.

 

[Sandia]

Re: Re: Re: Re: I Quit

Interesting denigrating comments on the people who like to visit and chat on the Playground.

Guess that is why I lurk on BDSM Talk more than post... There is some good information. Or at least there was.

Don't like to get involved with the immaturity seen. Guess I am leaving myself open here.

Your GB buddy says: scene.