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I might have. I'd have to look though my prints. I was shooting film at the time and not digital.
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I might have. I'd have to look though my prints. I was shooting film at the time and not digital.
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"Not many folk around this joint understand just how big the earth's oceans are."
True. Another thing they don't understand is that a ship and its crew live as if they are on a far planet in a universe of water. A lot happens at sea that no one ever hears about. The ocean can be a beautiful place or a hard one.
For example we had been at sea for sometime (couple of months) and were on our way to Hong Kong for a little R&R. The sea had been dead calm for several days and the sky deep blue. No ships, birds, fish, or planes for several days. The water so flat that it looked solid. When I got off watch I went down from the bridge to the O1 level and stood at the rail. No wide wake from our ship, the sea looked like a mirror and the sun seemed to be everywhere in the sky. I though "I could jump down and walk home." I didn't of course, not that far gone yet.
I went down the ladder to the mess decks and no one was there which was unusual as those that didn't have offices did their paper work there or there were always senior sailors drinking coffee and smoking. I went into the forward crews quarters where I had a rack and it was one of the larges spaces aboard our ship (we were a wood mine sweeper the size of a tuna fishing boat), no there either and I turned to walk from the starboard side to the port side when the ship was hit by a huge swell. It came out of no where and no warning was given.
The ship just kept turning over and I fell from one side of the compartment to the other as the port side became the deck. I landed on a row of lockers, but not on their handles or locks and I felt a panic that said roll. I rolled onto my side and just then something hit the locker and left a big dent where my head was. The ship slowly rolled back and righted itself. I checked the compartment for leaks (I had woke one morning to a puddle of water under my rack from leaks caused by our ramping an oilier the day before back on station) but found none. I went back to my work space and it looked like a bomb went off. But my officer nor petty officer showed up.
The thing is that one minute it was beautiful and the next minute it was a mess. But that is the ocean.
When I joined the Navy they told me "join the Navy and see the world." Well the world being 70% water we spent most of our time seeing the sea. Hey it is a part of the world.
True. Another thing they don't understand is that a ship and its crew live as if they are on a far planet in a universe of water. A lot happens at sea that no one ever hears about. The ocean can be a beautiful place or a hard one.
For example we had been at sea for sometime (couple of months) and were on our way to Hong Kong for a little R&R. The sea had been dead calm for several days and the sky deep blue. No ships, birds, fish, or planes for several days. The water so flat that it looked solid. When I got off watch I went down from the bridge to the O1 level and stood at the rail. No wide wake from our ship, the sea looked like a mirror and the sun seemed to be everywhere in the sky. I though "I could jump down and walk home." I didn't of course, not that far gone yet.
I went down the ladder to the mess decks and no one was there which was unusual as those that didn't have offices did their paper work there or there were always senior sailors drinking coffee and smoking. I went into the forward crews quarters where I had a rack and it was one of the larges spaces aboard our ship (we were a wood mine sweeper the size of a tuna fishing boat), no there either and I turned to walk from the starboard side to the port side when the ship was hit by a huge swell. It came out of no where and no warning was given.
The ship just kept turning over and I fell from one side of the compartment to the other as the port side became the deck. I landed on a row of lockers, but not on their handles or locks and I felt a panic that said roll. I rolled onto my side and just then something hit the locker and left a big dent where my head was. The ship slowly rolled back and righted itself. I checked the compartment for leaks (I had woke one morning to a puddle of water under my rack from leaks caused by our ramping an oilier the day before back on station) but found none. I went back to my work space and it looked like a bomb went off. But my officer nor petty officer showed up.
The thing is that one minute it was beautiful and the next minute it was a mess. But that is the ocean.
When I joined the Navy they told me "join the Navy and see the world." Well the world being 70% water we spent most of our time seeing the sea. Hey it is a part of the world.
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There is one other thing, people do not really understand speed on the ocean. They are so use to getting into a car and speeding a hundred miles in 2 hours or less.
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They are having to evacuate all the passengers, one by one, with five helicopters because conditions are unsafe to evacuate by boat.
100 off the ship so far. More than 1,000 to go...
[Og's comment - That's not a ship. It is a floating hotel and not suitable for navigating rough seas.]
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A hotel with a 100m buffet table.
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There is now a cargo ship also in difficulties off that coast.
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/...n-viking-sky-rescue-issues-distress-call.html
This looks like a tragedy about to happen...
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/...n-viking-sky-rescue-issues-distress-call.html
This looks like a tragedy about to happen...
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I don't even want to think about what's going on aboard that monstrosity at the moment.
https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2019/03/23/gettyimages-1132173711-4ba4776ec5053f075c71f5cae98ff0247cec0bc0-s800-c85.jpg
"...After the crew was able to restart one engine, police say the Viking Sky moved farther offshore and dropped anchor..."
https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/images/thumbnails/images/stories/wire/2019/march/viking_Sky1-fill-779x436.png
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It's dark and people are scared.
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The weather forecast for that area isn't good.
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On three (of four) engines. How did they lose power on all four?
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Super nice pictures. I think that is the tour agency I use.
These large cruise ships are too top heavy and even though most of the time the cruises are nice and safe, the ships can be trouble especially with so many passengers. Most of the crew are "staff" and not "seamen" so are in the same boat (excuse the pun) as the passengers. And even then as we have seen in the past the seamen aren't that well trained.
I was on a ship without engine control once and the seas were rolling and we fell, I mean fell down a wave like falling down a mountain so we were looking up at the ocean. I was on the bridge as a lookout and was on the high side hanging onto a stanchion with my feet off the deck like I was on a flag pole.
A relative was in the typhoon in the Pacific in World War II that cost the Navy more ships than a battle. He said one Destroyer near his ship had its substructure turned completely around, the metal ripped and twisted. I can't picture that, but that is what he described.
The sailors on the merchant ship were true seamen willing to risk their lives to come to the aid of others and nearly lost their own.
The sad part, speaking as an American, is that our news is so censored here that there was very little reporting on this. If it wasn't for nice people like on this site the story would have been lost to us.
These large cruise ships are too top heavy and even though most of the time the cruises are nice and safe, the ships can be trouble especially with so many passengers. Most of the crew are "staff" and not "seamen" so are in the same boat (excuse the pun) as the passengers. And even then as we have seen in the past the seamen aren't that well trained.
I was on a ship without engine control once and the seas were rolling and we fell, I mean fell down a wave like falling down a mountain so we were looking up at the ocean. I was on the bridge as a lookout and was on the high side hanging onto a stanchion with my feet off the deck like I was on a flag pole.
A relative was in the typhoon in the Pacific in World War II that cost the Navy more ships than a battle. He said one Destroyer near his ship had its substructure turned completely around, the metal ripped and twisted. I can't picture that, but that is what he described.
The sailors on the merchant ship were true seamen willing to risk their lives to come to the aid of others and nearly lost their own.
The sad part, speaking as an American, is that our news is so censored here that there was very little reporting on this. If it wasn't for nice people like on this site the story would have been lost to us.
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I worked in Long Beach CA when the Federal Government under Clinton turned the port over to the Chinese. We had cranes from World War II in the port that came from Germany as war prize, but the trade with China is so heavy that they needed more and larger ones. They brought in their own and manned by their own people. Most of the port they got was the old Navy Base. The Navy had to surrender it to the Reds without a fight.
Those babies are huge as they have to handle containers (much to the sorrow of the old yard birds who use to take their share of cargoes in the old days of hand off loading).
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Alaska Marine Pilots Concerned About Royal Princess Megaship
JUNEAU, Alaska (AP) — Southeast Alaska marine pilots are concerned about the maneuverability of one of the four megaships cruise lines are expected to bring to the state this season. The Norwegian Bliss and its sister ship are expected to visit the state, along with Royal Caribbean International’s Ovation of the Seas and Princess Cruises’ flagship, Royal Princess, CoastAlaska reported Friday. The Southeast Alaska Pilots Association tested the limits of each of the four megaships in virtual reality.
At 68,666 tons (62,293 metric tons), Ovation of the Seas is the largest ship ever to visit Alaska. But it’s Royal Princess that’s concerning marine pilots. “Overall the simulations (for the Royal Princess) produced serious challenges in wind and current conditions common to Southeast Alaska,” the pilots wrote in a report released publicly this month. The simulations also found that the Royal Princess model didn’t handle well at low speeds...
...Royal Princess uses standard propulsion: propellers and rudders. The other three ships have Azipod propulsion.
“With an Azipod-style propulsion, the propeller is actually on a pod below the ship, and what you can do is rotate that pod,” explained Keir Moorhead, an engineer who teaches at California State University Maritime Academy in Vallejo. He said Azipod propulsion performs better at low speeds when big ships need to maneuver in tight spots. “At any given moment, you can rotate a propeller 360 degrees to give you thrust in any direction,” Moorhead said.
Getting into the Ketchikan port requires passing through the 220-meter-wide Tongass Narrows. There’s not a lot of room to maneuver. And, there’s a 7-knot speed limit. The pilots recommend against the Royal Princess attempting this in more than 15 knots of wind. “Fifteen knots of wind in Ketchikan? I was stationed on a ship there. It blows 15 knots quite often,” said Capt. Stephen White, commander of the Coast Guard’s Sector Juneau...
At 68,666 tons (62,293 metric tons), Ovation of the Seas is the largest ship ever to visit Alaska. But it’s Royal Princess that’s concerning marine pilots. “Overall the simulations (for the Royal Princess) produced serious challenges in wind and current conditions common to Southeast Alaska,” the pilots wrote in a report released publicly this month. The simulations also found that the Royal Princess model didn’t handle well at low speeds...
...Royal Princess uses standard propulsion: propellers and rudders. The other three ships have Azipod propulsion.
“With an Azipod-style propulsion, the propeller is actually on a pod below the ship, and what you can do is rotate that pod,” explained Keir Moorhead, an engineer who teaches at California State University Maritime Academy in Vallejo. He said Azipod propulsion performs better at low speeds when big ships need to maneuver in tight spots. “At any given moment, you can rotate a propeller 360 degrees to give you thrust in any direction,” Moorhead said.
Getting into the Ketchikan port requires passing through the 220-meter-wide Tongass Narrows. There’s not a lot of room to maneuver. And, there’s a 7-knot speed limit. The pilots recommend against the Royal Princess attempting this in more than 15 knots of wind. “Fifteen knots of wind in Ketchikan? I was stationed on a ship there. It blows 15 knots quite often,” said Capt. Stephen White, commander of the Coast Guard’s Sector Juneau...
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Trippling up the stern line seems excessive. But, it's Russian and they tend to meander off course of their own will.
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Most likely mandated by petroleum company safety rules developed by landsmen.
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