I like Ships too

[JohnnySavage]

This is an interesting article. At least I think it's interesting. Of note, I knew Paul N. Jaenichen, Sr when he was a wet-behind-the-ears-know-it-all Ensign

 

[trysail]

I have always been amazed by the absolute failure of photographs to convey sea conditions. They just don't do it.

Unless someone has been out there and actually experienced those kind of seas, they'll never have a clue.

The only photographs I've ever seen that come close are contained in Adlard Coles' classic Heavy Weather Sailing. Its black and white photographs contain a couple of images of confused seas with vertical wave faces that are absolutely terrifying.

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The tug Tor Viking II is observed by an Air Station Kodiak HC-130 Hercules crew making 12 mph through 20 foot waves and 46 mph winds 48 miles from the 738-foot cargo vessel Golden Seas in the Bering Sea Dec. 4, 2010. The tug in en route to take the cargo vessel in tow to Dutch Harbor. U.S. Coast Guard photo by Petty Officer 1st Class Sara Francis.

 

[ToysAreUs]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fSpaKCC6g2M

The Cruel Sea by Nicholas Monsarrat

Can't find it online but the best sea warfare movie I know. Really good book too.

A review of the movie is here: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0045659/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

Plus, they say it is available on disc at Amazon.

 

[thør]

http://www.adn.com/sites/default/files/styles/ad_slideshow_940/public/Baychimo_in_ice.jpg?itok=mPoi8Dhq

One each ghost ship locked in the ice.

 

[wmg1]

How TRUE....I spent time in the USN and have many pictures of heavy sea's that at the time were very scary(if you weren't afraid you were a fool), yet later the picture's appear to have been taken in a bath tub......

 

[thør]

The Navy goes on a camp out!

Get those lawn chairs out and break out the sunblock!

Navy bails from campout early.

No wisecracks!

 

[oggbashan]

How TRUE....I spent time in the USN and have many pictures of heavy sea's that at the time were very scary(if you weren't afraid you were a fool), yet later the picture's appear to have been taken in a bath tub......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnyFjCJPwtk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBM7NgMhg90

 

[thør]

Launching of the Bluenose.

 

[thør]

Will the SS United States sail again.

 

[Jovenes_Latina]

I grew up around and on allot of "Tall Ships" and love allot of them. Sadly its hard to have a good conversation about them considering just about anyone my age hasn't a clue about them or much knowledge about them to even discuss them in anykind of length

 

[Kitschshaman]

Will the SS United States sail again.

Having worked at the shipyard that built her for over 20 years, this is but the latest in the long string of hopeful projects to rework her and get her back to serviceable condition. The thing that has killed most of the efforts has been the extreme cost of handling the asbestos on board, everything from overhead insulation to deck tiles. If that problem can be overcome, maybe maybe maybe it has a chance, but after all the disappointments, hope is limited.

 

[JohnnySavage]

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[trysail]

Will the SS United States sail again.

Having worked at the shipyard that built her for over 20 years, this is but the latest in the long string of hopeful projects to rework her and get her back to serviceable condition. The thing that has killed most of the efforts has been the extreme cost of handling the asbestos on board, everything from overhead insulation to deck tiles. If that problem can be overcome, maybe maybe maybe it has a chance, but after all the disappointments, hope is limited.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/SS_United_States_postcard.jpg


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[thør]

If you're taking this cruise, and not coming by for a beer, I'm gonna be pissed.

 

[oggbashan]

SS United States

The SS United States, like many ships of her time, was built as a liner for the North Atlantic before mass air travel.

She was built to safely navigate the Atlantic in winter conditions when weather forecasting didn't include satellites. She had to deal with unexpected storms en route and still arrive at her destination on time.

North Atlantic liners were built strong and very seaworthy with ample reserves of hull strength and engine power. That makes them, and the SS United States in particular, very uneconomical for modern conditions because they and she were over-engineered for cruising in calm seas.

 

[thør]

The SS United States, like many ships of her time, was built as a liner for the North Atlantic before mass air travel.

She was built to safely navigate the Atlantic in winter conditions when weather forecasting didn't include satellites. She had to deal with unexpected storms en route and still arrive at her destination on time.

North Atlantic liners were built strong and very seaworthy with ample reserves of hull strength and engine power. That makes them, and the SS United States in particular, very uneconomical for modern conditions because they and she were over-engineered for cruising in calm seas.

Still, no other liner has eclipsed her speed record.

 

[oggbashan]

Still, no other liner has eclipsed her speed record.

True. She was built to take the Blue Riband. But like most record-breaking liners before her, the builders and owners kept very quiet about how much she and they really cost to build and operate.

Breaking Atlantic crossing records isn't commercial or economic sense.

Modern passengers choose a ship for comfort, not speed. If they want speed, they fly. But even flying speed records aren't commercial sense otherwise Concorde would have been replaced.

Concorde, like the Cunard Queens and the SS United States, were government aided vanity projects.

 

[trysail]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xlf1/v/t1.0-9/12814552_1724965464386512_3714970590600658066_n.jpg?oh=c9306cdc2bb3bcde729a79d5e18a3063&oe=574F662B

The tug Tor Viking II is observed by an Air Station Kodiak HC-130 Hercules crew making 12 mph through 20 foot waves and 46 mph winds 48 miles from the 738-foot cargo vessel Golden Seas in the Bering Sea Dec. 4, 2010. The tug in en route to take the cargo vessel in tow to Dutch Harbor. U.S. Coast Guard photo by Petty Officer 1st Class Sara Francis.

This image and the description look roughly right:



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Beaufort_scale_8.jpg


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[thør]

True. She was built to take the Blue Riband. But like most record-breaking liners before her, the builders and owners kept very quiet about how much she and they really cost to build and operate.

Breaking Atlantic crossing records isn't commercial or economic sense.

Modern passengers choose a ship for comfort, not speed. If they want speed, they fly. But even flying speed records aren't commercial sense otherwise Concorde would have been replaced.

Concorde, like the Cunard Queens and the SS United States, were government aided vanity projects.

There are still some folks that are looking for an "experience" on the sea instead of lounging about next to a hog trough.

This image and the description look roughly right:



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/00/Beaufort_scale_8.jpg


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Tor Viking was there to help only because Shell was renting the vessel.

 

[oggbashan]

There are still some folks that are looking for an "experience" on the sea instead of lounging about next to a hog trough.
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But are there enough of them to pay a high premium to be on the SS United States? The cruise fees would have to be really expensive if she is to make a profit.

Specialist small cruise ships charge high rates. By modern standards the SS United States would be a 'small' cruise ship.

 

[Hard_Rom]

No such thing as ocean liners anymore except for the Queen Mary 2. Airplanes killed cross-Atlantic passenger service. Liners are now thin hulled low freeboard cruise ships hardly adequate for winter North Atlantic crossings.

A shame! We may have been some of the last immigrants to arrive in Canada on board ships by '69.

 

[thør]

But are there enough of them to pay a high premium to be on the SS United States? The cruise fees would have to be really expensive if she is to make a profit.

Specialist small cruise ships charge high rates. By modern standards the SS United States would be a 'small' cruise ship.

Then, they would pay high rates. I'll let the companies in that business decide if the economics are there to make a profit.

 

[oggbashan]

No such thing as ocean liners anymore except for the Queen Mary 2. Airplanes killed cross-Atlantic passenger service. Liners are now thin hulled low freeboard cruise ships hardly adequate for winter North Atlantic crossings.

A shame! We may have been some of the last immigrants to arrive in Canada on board ships by '69.

I travelled to Australia by liner, the flagship of Royal Rotterdam Lloyd, Willem Ruys in 1960, returning in 1962 on another liner. In 1960 we met a Force 8 in the Bay of Biscay before European passengers had got their sea legs. My mother and I sat in an almost empty 1st Class dining room enjoying a great meal. Both of us had travelled by various small ships (1,000 to 2,000 tons) from the UK to Gibraltar and back. Willem Ruys seemed massive at 23,000 tons.

http://www.lastoceanliners.com/cgi/lolline.pl?RRL

http://www.ssmaritime.com/fullsteam8.JPG

But in the Great Australian Bight the Willem Ruys steered far South to avoid a predicted storm. Apart from seeing the Aurora Australis (The Southern Equivalent of the Northern Lights) we ran into the storm that was Force 9 gusting 10. Some of the ship's bridge windows were cracked by the waves. We passed a coastal tanker heading in the same direction. At times we could see an air gap under the tanker's hull.

The return journey in 1962 was on the P&O Orcades, 28.000 tons. The worst weather we encountered was a Force 7. That annoyed me because they emptied the swimming pools.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Orcades_(1947)

http://www.bluestarline.org/wallace_trickett_2011/Orcades_wt_192.jpg

 

[Hard_Rom]

Smooth sailing for the seven day crossing from Liverpool to Montreal in April of 69. Little brother took his first steps aboard ship. Walked like a sailor my folks said when we got to land. Not sure what sort of walk that was. I imagine feet apart more than usual.

 

[JohnnySavage]

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