I like Ships too

I can understand some of the small boats having accidents, because you can buy a boat and go without any formal training, so any idiot can be at the helm. However, with these big ships, it's confusing as it takes years to become a Captain and it takes years of training and tests that you have to pass.
 
FL I know what you mean. But ships don't have brakes and sometimes gear gives out, steering problems etc. Some of these ships are going too fast in harbor which is all wrong and most of the small boats, as you say, any idiot can be at the helm. I was on a ship made of wood, 170 feet long and we came in too close to an oilier at sea that we were going to get fuel and supplies and their huge twin screws dragged us and we hit them. We were to weak to crash into them so we "rode" them straight out of the water turning on our side as we did. I was on the down side and had planned to jump into the water before I ran out of room to swim, but didn't want to be the first to jump so waited for others to jump or fall into the sea as the boat rolled over. None of those guys would leave their post. I thought "you guys are going to make me go down with the ship." Not a good thing. But at the last second we rolled back, but left our anchor in one of their port holes and ripped some planking off our bow along with other damage.

Have you seen the "Pink Submarine" with Tony Curtis and Cary Grant? In one scene they were in Mr. Curtis state room and he was getting chewed out and they looked down and their feet were in water. I got a big laugh out of that. The next day after the collision, I was in my rack which was a lower bunk and right where the door to the head was. Across from me in the middle bunk was the ships Quarter Master and he was looking over at me. The bunks were so tight that you slept at attention and to get out you had to swing your legs out and then push your way out. He had this big grin on his face and I thought "what the bleat is he so happy about?" I pushed my legs straight out and grabbed the edge of the rack and pushed myself out and sat my bare feet on the deck.

I felt water!!! Jumped out and stood up and looked down at my feet and I was standing in water and he was laughing his head off. "What the so and so happened?" He told me during the night we took on heavy seas, we slept in the bow, and it seems we had leaks in the planking and water poured in, but the damage control petty officer and some guys plugged it. But the water was my problem. I slept in the lower part of the berthing area and since it was my rack that was going to go under it was my job to bail the water into the head where there was a drain. So I got a dust pan and a swab and bailed the water and then mopped the deck. Of course guys were moving in and out of the head the whole time and making very unseaman like statements to me the whole time. Missed chow.

Another time two of our five ships got caught in a fog bank that came out of no where as we were entering a busy harbor. It was touch and go and lots of close calls, but our Captain and lead helmsman were good sailors and got us to the pier. It took hours of near misses, but as the lines were tossed over Gunner Tom actually fainted from the strain and they said the skipper, called Black Jack, took a deep breath. Then bam. The second ship had been following our running light with its bow nearly on us, yet it was not seen by our guys and when we got to the pier they still had way on and hit us in the ... well behind.
 

Top-secret special-ops submarine from World War II discovered after 20-year search​

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The closed hatches and retracted periscope on the wreck indicate the submarine was diving when it sank.

The wreck of a British World War II submarine that helped usher in the era of special military operations has been found off the coast of Greece, where it sank in 1942.

Veteran Greek diver Kostas Thoctarides announced in a Facebook post last week that his team had discovered the wreck of HMS Triumph in the Aegean Sea, at an undisclosed location "ten of kilometers" off Cape Sounion and at a depth of about 666 feet (203 meters.)

The wreck's closed hatches and retracted periscope indicate that the sub was diving when it sank, Thoctarides said.

One of the search team members, Rena Giatropoulou Thoctarides, told Live Science that the fore section had been badly damaged by an explosion that almost certainly sank the submarine. But it wasn't clear if that explosion was external — perhaps from a depth charge or naval mine — or internal, which means it could have been caused by an explosion by one of the sub's own torpedoes.

The team is now working with submarine and torpedo experts to "give us the answers we are looking for," she said in an email.

Special operations
HMS Triumph launched in 1938 and completed more than 20 missions during WWII, including attacks on Axis ships and submarines in the Mediterranean Sea. But the vessel is best known for its roles in covert operations, including the rescue of several Allied soldiers trapped in North Africa and an infiltration into Greece — then enemy territory — of British intelligence officers to help the resistance there.

Among other missions, in 1941, the submarine carried Capt. Bill Hudson, an officer with the British Special Operations Executive (SOE) in secret to the Axis-held Serbian port of Petrovac, on the Adriatic Coast, to aid Yugoslav partisans — one of the first SOE missions and a forerunner of all special military operations since.

Thoctarides and his team have been searching for the Triumph wreck for more than 20 years. "The story of Triumph is complex and unique in naval history and is inextricably linked to the Greek resistance and the secret services that operated during the days of the Italian-German occupation," Giatropoulou said.

They'd already located the wrecks of four submarines — including HMS Perseus in 1997 — but finding HMS Triumph was "extremely difficult," she said. "Most of the time was in bad weather and with very strong underwater currents."

One of the keys to success was using a remotely-operated underwater vehicle, or ROV: "At a depth of 203 meters and with such strong currents, divers cannot work," she said.


Lost at sea​

According to naval records, Triumph secretly sailed into Despotikos Bay, off an island near Antiparos in the Cyclades, in December 1941.

On Dec. 30, the sub sent an encrypted message reporting that it had dropped off a British military intelligence team, and it was then scheduled to rescue more than 30 British escapees from nearby Antiparos on Jan. 9.

But the Triumph never showed, and the escapees were arrested. On Jan. 23, 1942, the Royal Navy listed the submarine as missing at sea, with 64 crew on board.

It seems the crew died in the sinking. "My opinion is that all 64 heroes are in the submarine, as they were in a deep dive and all hatches are closed," Giatropoulou said. "HMS Triumph must be treated with the respect and sanctity it deserves as a maritime war grave."

Likewise, it's important to notify the families of the lost crew, said Timmy Gambin, a maritime archaeologist at the University of Malta who wasn't involved in the Triumph search but led the discovery of the wreck of HMS Urge, a British WWII submarine that sank off the coast of Malta.

"With the thousands of ships lost in WW2 come a multitude of human stories — not just of the victims but more so about those who were left behind," Gambin told Live Science in an email.
 
I suspect most of them just did it over the side, although there would be a line for that too. What and where is that, anyway? South Asia?
troops coming home to the US from Europe at the end of WWII. You can do a google search for images and see lots of ships that were overloaded like this coming home.
 
troops coming home to the US from Europe at the end of WWII. You can do a google search for images and see lots of ships that were overloaded like this coming home.
Thanks, I found that this is the Queen Elizabeth entering New York harbor. I guess the only thing that made in bearable was that, with everybody topside to see the sights, it wasn't equally crowded below decks. Still, with maybe 15,000 people on a ship designed for about 2,300, it couldn't have been very comfortable.

https://rarehistoricalphotos.com/crowded-ship-bringing-american-troops-1945/

The ship had a sad ending when it burned in Hong Kong harbor.

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The French Line's S.S. Normandie, possibly the most beautiful liner ever, both exterior and interior:

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While being converted to a troopship in 1942, she burned and capsized at a pier in New York. After the war, the hulk was towed to New Jersey and scrapped.

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These cruise ships are like floating buildings. They make up for their operating costs by carrying huge numbers of passengers. After the pandemic, some of the older, slighter smaller ship were sold and dismantled. Thirty years or so is about the useful life of most passenger ships anyway.

 
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