I hate men! -rant

[Pseudomoniker]

um doesnt this belong on the women haters thread?

Just making a not-so-subtle point.

 

[Guest]

If we want to be really nasty, we call them misogynists, but they usually don’t know what that means anyway.

When men show up, they always try to take over. They think that just because they are men, they should be in charge.

shut your pie hole ya dumb broad

 

[zipman]

Just making a not-so-subtle point.

Which was brilliantly done, by the way!


I'm still laughing!

 

[Debbie]

While we're ranting I would like to say I am totally completely sick of really nice people.
You know the ones, no matter what they say kind things or try and help you out.
Their definition of a bad day is their cat got run over, the dog ate rat poison, their SO left for the older babysitter and they burnt dinner.

I think they should be sent to a deserted island and just nice each other to death.

I hate nice people. Stone them all.

 

[sweetnpetite]

For the sake of argument...


Women suck. Damnable estogen-laden, Oxygen-watching,
//I don't watch oxygen or lifetime

is-my-ass-too-big whining,

//I wish my ass were a little bigger
hypocritical
//arent we all?//
, emotionally needy,
//yep.//
manipulative,
//becuase men don't take us serioulsy, and the only way to get what we want is to resort to manipulation//

cock-teasing,
//sure, that or we're a whore, no win situation there//
money-stealing,
//pay us equal wages//

self-serving
//ha! more likely to be self-sacrificing. Always tought to put everyone elses needs first. At least if we are to be "good" moms, "good" daughters, "good" wives and girlriends, ect....

bitches who even if they got everything they wanted they would *still* find something to complain about to their girlfriends.

//wouldn't know, never gotten close to 'everything I wanted'

You play up the gender roles whenever it suits you and then moan about inequity.

//we moan about inequety, don't get heard and have to resort to the stupid gender roll thing.

You label men as the enemy and still persist in playing with their minds never realizing that you perpetuate the cycle.

//how so?//
You always try to change someone into what you want them to be and when you don't get it, it's the man's fault for being insensitive.

// Men try to control everything, change you to be who they want, "mold" you into the perfect wife, girlfriend, misteress whatever. Then blame her for not falling into her proper 'role'

You gripe about rail-thin supermodels in magazines and still fret about your dress size or if your boobs are big enough.
//We hear men ranking women by body type and fall into the same trap. And why are men always so obsessed about there penis size? It's not like they are right out there like our breasts are- for the whole world to judge.


You force men into social settings solely for the purposes of showing him
//I just like my guy to share my interests- but that may be too much to ask.
off because you have this deep-rooted desire for social acceptance,
//becuase we are the family builders

and having a mate remains a benchmark of success in that context.

//men call a womans breast her 'rack' as if she where a deer. They have trophy wives, they rely on those wives to be the backbone of there success and then they move on to a "younger model" when she starts to get gray hair -and sometimes well before.

You never break-up with your lover unless you have someone else to fall back on.
// that's more of a guy thing. Although both sexes do this sometims.

You lie whenever you feel it's justified.
//Men lie for fun. Justified or not, they figure they need the practice.

You think that we should feel obligated to treat you with dignity and respect
//well yea....
while at the same time you share all his secrets and personal quirks with your 20 - 30 "close friends".
//wouldn't know about this I only have two or three close friends.

You stick your freezing bare feet against him in bed.
//you fart in public- and then laugh!//

You need "me" time whenever you please,
//I never seem to get any of this...
but then wonder why he stays away when you're desperate for some emotional bonding.
//don't see the connection.

Women deserve all the shit they get
//depends on what exaclty you mean by that. //
and then some because they're too stupid to realize how much of it is caused by their actions, inactions, and selfish nature.

//sometimes this is true. But oppression should not be blamed on the oppressed. This is very backward thinking.And men are certainly not oppressed in this world. It's crazy to think they are.//

Women get periods because they deserve it.
//Makes zero cents//

You can take your 50 pairs of high heels

//which we wear just for stupid men who don't even appreciate the sacrifices woman make just to look like your 'ideal' As if all our bodies are useful for is looking at.

and shove them up your ass which is perpetually too big no matter what size it really is.

Fin.

(whew, I feel so cleansed now... like the catharsis achieved after watching Thelma & Louise)

//And I'm off to watch Spike TV.//

 

[Speakeasy]

Originally posted by sweetnpetite
Isn’t it cute how the Little Rascals form a club called...

...and take it. It doesn’t mean we don’t do anything about it. It means that when we see something we don’t like, we raise our voices and say so. There are some men that I like as individuals, but overall, *I hate men.* And you know what- they deserve it.
__________________

Sweetheart, you've been meeting the wrong men.

Sorry.

 

[BlueElf]

Someone will no doubted say that I’m just ‘bitching and whining’ and not doing anything about it. But naming the problem is doing something, as obviously nothing *can* be done until the problem is identified. And besides, I *am* bitching. That’s because I have something to bitch about. So don’t try to marginalize me or shut me up or accuse me of being sexist. Because I don’t care. I see injustice and it pisses me off. Yeah, I know that the worlds not fair- but that doesn’t mean that women should just lie back and take it. It doesn’t mean we don’t do anything about it. It means that when we see something we don’t like, we raise our voices and say so. There are some men that I like as individuals, but overall, *I hate men.* And you know what- they deserve it.

We're sorry

 

[Guest]

 

[Pseudomoniker]

*sigh* My post's purpose completely got lost on her.

She actually posted replies to all the points to legitimize her opinion when the only reason it was written was as an alternative to categorical denials.

Sweetie, some of those points were meant to be absurd. (albeit some were grounded in some pretty good observations)

You didn't break the cycle. The very things you accused men of doing, you just did yourself. I could have done the same thing and written explanations and rationales to all of your points, but it wouldn't have accomplished anything.

For someone who says that two wrongs don't make a right... using the justification of "but we/I do this because...." is exactly the pitfall that was laid for you.

Ah well, I'll just have to go back to baking my Betty Crocker muffins and catching the end of Waiting To Exhale. God I love a good cry.

 

[Guest]

 

[sweetnpetite]

I got it.

I'm just smart mouthed and had to get the last word in.

This is the "I hate men" thread after all.

*sigh* My post's purpose completely got lost on her.

She actually posted replies to all the points to legitimize her opinion when the only reason it was written was as an alternative to categorical denials.

Sweetie, some of those points were meant to be absurd. (albeit some were grounded in some pretty good observations)

You didn't break the cycle. The very things you accused men of doing, you just did yourself. I could have done the same thing and written explanations and rationales to all of your points, but it wouldn't have accomplished anything.

For someone who says that two wrongs don't make a right... using the justification of "but we/I do this because...." is exactly the pitfall that was laid for you.

Ah well, I'll just have to go back to baking my Betty Crocker muffins and catching the end of Waiting To Exhale. God I love a good cry.

 

[sweetnpetite]

*sigh* My post's purpose completely got lost on her.



Ah well, I'll just have to go back to baking my Betty Crocker muffins and catching the end of Waiting To Exhale. God I love a good cry.

I prefer "Boys on the Side"

With popcorn.

 

[Pseudomoniker]

Ya big sissy.

Act like a man, whydoncha!

If I do that (according to SnP's expectations), I'll need to do the following:

1) Concentrate my fierce intestinal powers to expel a powerful methane gas from the very bowels of hell.

2) Put some crazy glue on my hand and grab the remote.

3) Picture another woman while having sex.

4) Deny that I am ever wrong, ever have been wrong, or ever will be wrong about anything and everything. It's hard work being omnisicient!

5) Drink lots and lots of beer and pretend it's a justification for my hand accidentally floundering by her ass, getting lost, and squeezing it in a vain effort to become re-oriented.


It's such a difficult existence...

 

[Pseudomoniker]

Does this mean I have to stop playing Strawberry Shortcake and the Peculiar Purple Pieman of Porcupine Peak??

 

[Avery_Chisholm]

 

[Pseudomoniker]

I prefer "Boys on the Side"

With popcorn.

No butter please. It ruins my boyish figure.

 

[curious2c]

Hmmmm...Since I am a man...and some of this thinking is foreign to me...ummmm...ALL men?

 

[sweetnpetite]

LMAO!!!

But I didnn't say any of that (except about passing gas part.)

You are reading a lot of assumptions into my reasons for stating that I hate men. I wasn't talking abou the usual stereotypes (accept that men all say, "I;m not like other guys") I was talking about what I see (except in my long reply to your post- that was all just in fun).

My boyfriend is always telling me that I'm a sexist- so I sat down asd really thought about it and I realied that I do indeed hate men. Maybe admiting it is the first step to recovery. Maybe I should start man-haters annonymous. But it's not stereotypes that lead me to hate them, its the new things I learn day by day about there nature.

Its how they show up and take over. HOw your friend starts seeing her ex, and you can see her disapearing. How he's always there- how your no longer able to talk freely. How even though he's been gone for ever, now he's suddenly the 'man of the house' How he suddenly makes you feel like you are an intrusion, weather purposly or not. And I have had it happen at least three diferent times with three diferent friends. And how it's so predictible, you know it's going to happen, and yet you are helpless to stop it.....

And yet, while that may be what brought this post up, it's just one facet, one example of how I personally see men as an intrusion much of the time. You know, women piss me off too sometimes, by building there lives around men, pleasing men, getting men, being thin, as if the word revolves aroound men- as if a good man will solve all your problems- when usually they just create more. (And I'm not saying that women don't create more problems for men- but men don't look to us to solve all there problems that I know of) As faar as I'm concerned, women really do need a man like a fish needs a bicycle. Why is all of society inpingent upon the idea that a woman *needs* a man?

Ok, I'm just rambling now, so I'm just gonna end this post for now.

If I do that (according to SnP's expectations), I'll need to do the following:

1) Concentrate my fierce intestinal powers to expel a powerful methane gas from the very bowels of hell.

2) Put some crazy glue on my hand and grab the remote.

3) Picture another woman while having sex.

4) Deny that I am ever wrong, ever have been wrong, or ever will be wrong about anything and everything. It's hard work being omnisicient!

5) Drink lots and lots of beer and pretend it's a justification for my hand accidentally floundering by her ass, getting lost, and squeezing it in a vain effort to become re-oriented.


It's such a difficult existence...

 

[MunchinMark]

There isn't much point trying to talk down the battle of the sexes.

Neither side wants to win.

I'm not going to bother with any rebuttals. You are all smart enough to anticipate what is wrong with your arguments.

This is really just the registering of my antipathy for misogyny and misandry.

 

[Guest]

so I sat down asd really thought about it and I realied that I do indeed hate men.

You know, women piss me off too sometimes, by building there lives around men, pleasing men, getting men, being thin, as if the word revolves aroound men

what is so wrong with pleasing your partner? Do you blame men for all your insecurities? Yikes.

 

[Pseudomoniker]

You do realize that I was making generalizations solely to show you how silly it is to make them, right?

I agree that there is far too much of a societal "women need a good man" mantra. But I will say in all seriousness that women do care much more about what people think of them than males do. Some call it a human flaw, some call it empathy. I call it hilarious. Maybe it's my blatantly male perspective, but I honestly have very little interest in what people think of me. I can go to a movie alone without feeling even remotely out of place. Can you say the same?

And in all fairness, I do maintain a streak of misogyny at times. You mentioned all the instances you've brought up. In my parody post, many of those gripes are actually based upon personal experiences, though I don't care to go into the particulars.

Final point: Women are entitled to bitch about men because a great many number of them are asses. I readily admit to having more than my share of assholish moments. Men are entitled to bitch about women because a great many of them are irritating as fuck. But it is not valid for either gender to try and use their opinions to argue against the other because it ultimately comes down to the fact that you're primarily pissed at the gender you have sexual attraction for, not the other one. Therefore it's a moot point to use it as validation.

In simpler terms, you get to complain about men because you've had some experiences with them that have sucked. And I'm not allowed to use my misogynistic rants as a counterargument because it's your relationship with men, not women, that is of interest. And vice versa.

Btw, I'm really *not* like other guys. No, really!!

Aw shit, my creme brulee is burning. Back in a jiffy!

 

[Le Jacquelope]

sweetnpetite: As the one whose rants about misandry probably helped instigate this thread, I'll say I believe you have great cause to say what you've said, especially if you've lived in environments where men disrespect you just because you're a woman, and no attempts to appeal to men and their sense of fairness, brings any relief. It's like being caught inside a clique that controls an entire class, workplace or your family and home. For example. There's a certain Litster woman whose husband abused her, and even her own family said she was duty bound to stay with him. She had nowhere to turn for validation of her belief that this was wrong.
These prisons of the soul never looks as bad from the outside as it does from the inside.

I can see where someone trapped in that kind of situation, would want blood from just about anyone with a pair.

That being said, I've practically exhausted my energies over and over again taking on misogynists. I've spoken out at work about why some workplaces I've been in, only had women working in the reception area, and asking why we turned down qualified women applicants for less qualified men. I've made vicious parodies of men online who defend rape, and even printed out and mailed their remarks to their familes in real life. I did it because I was inside that kind of cliquish atmosphere where there was noone who agreed with me that misogyny was wrong. I've been accused of having no sense of humor because I make fun of The Man Show. I've been accused of being pedantic, and of overreacting to what I perceive of as misogynist humor, which others - women included - have considered harmless.
By the way have you ever heard me use the "B" word in any context whatsoever? No? If you care, ask why sometime.
My rule in general: if I wouldn't like it being said or done re: blacks, Jews, etc., I don't like it being said or done re: women. I like to keep it simple like that.

My views on women who are fighting discrimination? As I said before, "I am woman hear me roar" means "I am woman, try to make me your chattel at your own peril", not "I am woman, ph33r my obnoxious jackass skillz". I work very hard to ensure any message I have about man-haters, condemns them separately from women in general, and from women who are fighting for their equal rights. Kind of like differentiating "Islamic terrorists" from "Islamic people".
Feminazi's, in my book, are women who preach a hatred of men. That does not include all women who strive for equality. The other word I like to use is "bitter girl/woman". Feminaz takes fewer letters, though.
My message to Feminazi's is the same as it is to blacks who preach anti-Semitism and hatred of whites: you can't claim to wage a war on discrimination by preaching hatred of others.

Now. After battling misogynists in my heart, with my words and even sometimes with my actions, on a daily basis, I come to Lit and see they aren't any force to be reckoned with. Usually they just get laughed at and marginalized. So as long as that's the case, I consider them a problem that's under control, and throw a snicker or two at 'em when I'm bored. But the hostility I see towards anyone defending the honor of honest, hard working men who have never been guilty of misogyny, is mind croggling, not just on Lit but most places, in general. I turn on the tube and see countless references to women inflicting violence on men over the slightest of provocations. I hear women bragging about doing it in real life, as if they are daring the guy to strike back so she can call the police. And anyone who's wise to criminal law will tell you the police and courts will take him down hard for retaliating in kind, but they won't take her down for starting it.

Misandry permeates the air like asbestos in the walls and lead in the paint. Fighting it is just as difficult, breathing it in is highly toxic to the soul. Unlike asbestos or lead based paint, it's considered acceptable and even funny. You have to spend a major amount of social goodwill points to clean it up wherever it pops up. And a man is not allowed to speak out, because it isn't masculine. It's "whiny". There is no greater defamation than for a man to be accused of whining. Murderers, bank robbers and rapists in prison get fan mail from women. Drug dealers have their hangers-on. Great dictators and bloodthirsty conquerors of history have had all too willing concubines flocking to their side. But to be accused of whining is the death sentence of men, because for a man there is no greater crime.

I can imagine it all feels the exact same way for you when you are battling misogynist sexism.

 

[The Heretic]

There are some men that I like as individuals, but overall, *I hate men.* And you know what- they deserve it.

That's why you married one? To make his life hell?

Sorry, I just couldn't resist; it was the sexist pig in me.

 

[sweetnpetite]

what is so wrong with pleasing your partner? Do you blame men for all your insecurities? Yikes.

Nothing is wrong with pleasing your partner. But there is sometihing wrong with building your life around pleasing *men*- I didn't even say your partner. Some women spend there whole lives trying to live up to some male ideal- weather they have a partner or not. My daughter said to me "boys don't like girls who are fat"

Tell me, what's more important- being a women that men will like, or being a person that you will like?

Woman *are* taught that pleasing men (being pretty, being nice, getting along...) is their primary objective in life. Men want to wash there hands of this as if it is all a creation of women. Like they don't break us down into body parts, like they don't classify woman as either 'good girls' (my wife, my mom) or 'bad girls' (the strippers at the club, the girl I get my blowjobs from). Like they don't enjoy Male Privalege. Its all just something the feminists made up to oppress men.

Give me a break.

 

[sweetnpetite]

As a white person, I am not offended by minorities who say, "i hate white people" because, as the oppressed group, I believe that they have good reason to hate white people.

NOw if they start shooting- thats a different story. And I'm not shooting. I'm not even pro-choice.

Mostly any woman with a complain, no matter how justified will be told that she is 'bitter.' I'm sick of hearing that one too. If I *am* bitter, then why am I bitter? Doens't the fact that I've been dicked around enough to be bitter only prove my point?

Some of what I say proably comes from bitterness. But not all. And some of it is just from thinking too much.