I give up.

[curious2c]

I guess that my writing hasn't improved much over the last year. Perhaps my stories hit a nerve with some in a negative way while others take it in a positive way (but with negative conotations.) I'm tired of being accused of being a woman hater...when I don't feel that I am. Kind of like what some people feel at times...hopefully this will pass...ever get too involved in what others think of your work?

 

[Colleen Thomas]

I guess that my writing hasn't improved much over the last year. Perhaps my stories hit a nerve with some in a negative way while others take it in a positive way (but with negative conotations.) I'm tired of being accused of being a woman hater...when I don't feel that I am. Kind of like what some people feel at times...hopefully this will pass...ever get too involved in what others think of your work?

I haven't read any of your work so I can't comment on your being a woman hater, but I have become very caught up in what people thihnk of my work, especially when I had just started posting. Best advice is to write your stories your way and not worry about those who take it negatively.

-Colly

 

[Guest]

Hmmmm

Well, I just perused a few of your stories. The ones I read were all from the dominant male point of view, and how he fucked the little woman. She did appear to enjoy the experience, but on the whole it was a bit demeaning (woman as "object" so to speak).

Of course, the majority of your stories do have the coveted "H" by them, so your stories do appeal to many Lit readers.

If you are enjoying writing them (and readers appear to enjoy reading them) then life is good! No worries.

Enjoy your success!

 

[wishfulthinking]

You can't be a crowd pleaser all the time!

 

[English Lady]

echoes all trhe above comments.....write firstly for yourself,secondly for your fans(those who enjoy your work) and really just ignore those who don't like your stories. You can't please everyone all the itme you know!

 

[whispering_surrender]

A local polititian once told me, "You can please some people all the time, or you can offend some people all the time, but you can never please all the people all the time." Seems so obvious, but a handy little reminder sometimes......

Whisper

 

[A7inchPhildo]

I guess that my writing hasn't improved much over the last year. Perhaps my stories hit a nerve with some in a negative way while others take it in a positive way (but with negative conotations.) I'm tired of being accused of being a woman hater...when I don't feel that I am. Kind of like what some people feel at times...hopefully this will pass...ever get too involved in what others think of your work?

Nah, be like a duck and let it roll right off. If you are getting abusive feedback consider your self good enough to strike a sensitive nerve. If you don't like the way it makes you feel, write romance stories you won't have to wory about getting much feedback at all never mind abusive ones.

"Woman hater!" LOL

 

[Dirt Man]

I guess that my writing hasn't improved much over the last year. Perhaps my stories hit a nerve with some in a negative way while others take it in a positive way (but with negative conotations.) I'm tired of being accused of being a woman hater...when I don't feel that I am. Kind of like what some people feel at times...hopefully this will pass...ever get too involved in what others think of your work?

Part of the problem is that you are striking a raw nerve in your stories. Everybody, including women like to be considered a sex object at times. The thing to discern is when, and then how it will fit into your style of writing. I know I like being my wife's sex object, though not every waking minute of the day. And the same is true for her. Everything in it's proper time, and proper environment. Just a thought.

As Always
I Am the
Dirt Man

 

[Rumple Foreskin]

I guess that my writing hasn't improved much over the last year. Perhaps my stories hit a nerve with some in a negative way while others take it in a positive way (but with negative conotations.) I'm tired of being accused of being a woman hater...when I don't feel that I am. Kind of like what some people feel at times...hopefully this will pass...ever get too involved in what others think of your work?

You can't please everyone, so you gotta please yourself.
RICKY NELSON

You can please some of the people all of the time, all of the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people, all the time.
adapted from ABRAHAM LINCOLN

Fuck 'em. If a reader doesn't like the tone of your stories, they should read something else.
RUMPLE FORESKIN

 

[curious2c]

I guess that I was feeling a bit hammered. I got several anon feedbacks in a row that accused me of being a woman hater and it finally got to me. I think, after re-reading those feedbacks, that they may have been from the same person. Thanks for the support. Usually feedback doesn't bother me like this. For some reason...not sure why either, these just got to me.

I am thinking that I will change my style a bit for a while and not 'objectify' women and see what happens.

To be honest, the H's to me are...well, not indicative of reality. I feel that some story styles (i.e. incest, or non con) tend to bring a score that is higher just because the story gets a different type of audience. Maybe I am wrong about that, but it does make me wonder.

I still don't feel that my writing is as good as lots of authors here at lit and I am still in my feeble way, trying to grow up to a level of consistency and quality that is there story to story. It isn't as easy as it looks by any means.

 

[Guest]

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Interesting comments above, and let's, for the sake of argument, leave out what I think about your stories. I'd like to offer a contrarian view, and here's why:

Curious2c, you apparently like what you write in the style you feel comfortable with, but you're obviously concerned about reader feedback. Personally, I think reader feedback, good or bad, is an important element for an author to change his writing to appeal to the public. Yes, we post for the public, otherwise most of us would write our smut and leave it hidden on computer disks.

A question to ask yourself, then: Do you write for yourself and for the enjoyment of it, or do you write for Lit's audience? And yes, there is a "both" answer, too (if so, then decide what's more important).

Some have suggested to be satisfied with what you like to write. Pretty good advice, really. We're here to have fun (I would hope).

But for the purposes of this thread, I've highlighted a portion of your post above to concur with what you really seems to be on your mind.

And I support it.

I believe you owe it to yourself to at least try a change in style, maybe in one story, maybe two or three, since it certainly won't hurt anybody. Who knows, you may discover something new and fresh in the final product, as well.

You can take it on as an exciting challenge along with the process of research to discover new points of view and uncharted sensibilities. Don't be afraid or bashful in soliciting help from other authors (or editors) that write well in a particular genre. There are gobs or resources on the forums here, or in private. You may even start by taking some of the so-called negative comments offered up by some of your so-called critics and turning them all around and write a story for them!

What to do if the negative comments still keep coming back (I'm distinguishing constructive comments from critics vs. those from assholes)? Nothing lost, really. There will always be critics--and assholes. You can go back and ask the question, again, and try changing some more (if you think that's still important), or decide that's it's far easier to write for yourself, afterall!

But if you decide on a change in style, at least as a trial on one or two or three new stories, you can always look back and say you tried something different. The type of feedback from your audience on your new approach will be a guide to help you decide.

Good luck in your future writing.

Manxy

 

[sweetnpetite]

I hope you mean that you are giving up on trying to please everybody, and not giving up on writing.


Besides, some great literary geniouses are 'woman haters'

On the flipside, I've been accused of being a 'man hater'- the only correct answer is 'yep'

**and in another instance, it was suggested that I *am* a man go figure!

I guess that my writing hasn't improved much over the last year. Perhaps my stories hit a nerve with some in a negative way while others take it in a positive way (but with negative conotations.) I'm tired of being accused of being a woman hater...when I don't feel that I am. Kind of like what some people feel at times...hopefully this will pass...ever get too involved in what others think of your work?

 

[curious2c]

Manxy...your comments hit very close to my feelings. I have been concerned with what the readers of my stories think. Every once in a while I get feedback that is a bit...well, angry. The anger I can deal with since I know that to achieve this level of emotion I must be doing someting right with my writing.

This negative feedback is mostly from the public comments section that was recently added. I will not delete any of it since to me, everyone's opinion matters. I was just caught off guard with the...tone of it I guess.

I know that not all of my stories objectify women, well, at least not in my opinion. Maybe I am doing it without realizing that I am. Not sure what to do about it in that particular instance. Learning as I go with writing and it seems women too.

I will be starting another story pretty soon and it is going to be from a far different perspective. Hopefully I will be able to write something that is worth reading (and not 'objectify' women).

Perhaps someone out here in lit-land could explain to me those certain parts where I go too far. It is difficult for me at times with my background and how I write to begin with. Sometimes a male's perspective may seem to be objectifying when that isn't the intent. I am a bit mixed up now it seems.

Thank you for pointing out to me that help is available in the form of other authors here at lit. It is easy forme to forget that at times.




sweetnpetite...
I'm not giving up writing...nor will I give up trying to poease people. Everybody...well that would be an impossible thing to acheive...if I could do that I guess I would be the first ever in the world.
My comment about giving up was more about my reading public comments on my stories and perhaps even feedback at a certain point.

Like you, I have been accused of many things in my stories, and sometimes unfairly so. It is a fine line one walks in trying to write a good story and going too far overboard.

One thing I am pretty certain of...you are not a man.

I guess I can't see where I show a hatred or dislike or even a mild huh towards women. I love women and everything about them. Perhaps it is because the characters in my stories are not always good or nice...I try to slip into the characters shoes as I write about them...and when one gets more than three characters it can get real difficult to seperate each one after a while. I can see where that has happened in some of my stories.

In the end I wish that the readers could seperate reality from fantasy in my stories. some of my feedback insists that I am writing about me and my wife or whatever. couldn't be farther from the truth. My real life...just isn't worth writing about (in erotica at least ) . Some feedback has been quite eye opening about what the reader would have done with that ##$*%^&*%*$ wife of mine. Guns and beatings are quite a common feedback theme for me on some stories. Makes me wonder about the human race at times.

I guess that I shouldn't be so upset since I am doing what is intended and that is drawing the reader into the story and making it real for them. I try my best and I know I can't please all...heh...probably not even a minor-minority, but I do try.

In my case I will be trying to change my style for a while...perhaps after this next story I already have running...maybe I will even try to mold a change in this one as I go too.

thanks to all who gave me support and interesting...feedback.

 

[Pure]

Hi Curious2c,

In reading this thread, I find Sweetnpetite to be most along the lines of the approach I would take.

While style might well be improved, the objectification thing is much closer to content; and if some don't like the content, fuck 'em. If there are H's, then some do. It's no different from writing about a male fucking another in the ass.

The issue of 'good writing' should be paramount. It's wise to listen to those who give you pointers. That said, a story with a woman as object, even murder victim, is acceptable as a story.
Murdering anyone irl is not acceptable. It's also acceptable to have a *character* who hates and/or objectifies women. (I'm not talking about what's acceptable by Literotica rules, but what acceptable as fiction writing for the general public or some section of it).

The main character of Brett Ellis's _American Psycho_ is just such a dangerous and deranged person (in fact a psychopathic killer).

Perhaps you should experiment with third person narration. It's a common mistake for a reader to think "I" refers to the writer, somehow. OTOH, if you say, "Jones smacked her and laughed fiendishly" it's easier to tell people you're not Jones. Further there are other ways to distance or separate yourself from Jones.
You can even have the cops come and put a bullet in his head, if you're in the mood.

Just some thoughts. I'm all for stylistic experiment, but I think you need to write about the demons that whisper to you.

J.

Added: I had a look at two stories: one, My Daughter Eases my Pain, and the other, Shelley and James, ch 1. I don't see any 'objectifying' that's beyond the norm at Literotica. I don't see hostility in you or the male character.

The writing is so-so mechanically, but let's say, better than 1/2 of the stuff at Lit., imo.

The story, esp. in My daughter is wildly implausible; sort of a sex carnival fantasy. But you had more father reluctance than a majority of incest stories.

My opinion then would be to clean up the mechanics a bit, and try for a story with a little more depth in character and plot.

J.