I can't wait for this culture in this country.

[sch00lteacher]

Slightly off topic (?)

60 Minutes, or some other news show last week.

Interview with two Saudi fathers, whose son's flew two of the planes.

Jist of conversation, wasn't my kid. Don't believe it. My kid wouldn't do something like that. Why gee no, I haven't heard from him since 9.11.01

I wanted to reach inside the tube and slap the shit outta both of those dipshits, very rich looking dipshits.

 

[Guest]

Stones and Glass

I live in the UK. We do not sanction the state murder of individuals, whatever crime they have committed. The USA law allows judicial murder for some criminal offences. We think that is wrong.

We just have to learn that other people see things differently from us.

I happen to think that asking poor and badly educated people to subscribe money on a regular basis with the promise of a better "afterlife" provided by a "God" when there is no shred of evidence of either existing is also wrong. I do not, however, go round blowing up churches, nor attacking the confidence tricksters who call themselves priests, pastors, bishops, or whatever, and who live entirely on such contributions.

 

[Ishmael]

Re: Stones and Glass

I live in the UK. We do not sanction the state murder of individuals, whatever crime they have committed. The USA law allows judicial murder for some criminal offences. We think that is wrong.

We just have to learn that other people see things differently from us.

I happen to think that asking poor and badly educated people to subscribe money on a regular basis with the promise of a better "afterlife" provided by a "God" when there is no shred of evidence of either existing is also wrong. I do not, however, go round blowing up churches, nor attacking the confidence tricksters who call themselves priests, pastors, bishops, or whatever, and who live entirely on such contributions.

And in your mind this is equivalent to the purposeful incineration of innocent girls?

I hate to be the one to inform you, but there is a SIGNIFICANT difference between people donating money of their own free will, no matter how misguided you beleive them to be. And locking them in their home, or any other building, and setting fire to it.

You are also quite mistaken in the beleif that the churches are supported only by the poor. If that were the case, there would be far fewer churches in this country.

As far as capital punishment goes, we agree to disagree.

Ishmael

 

[BustyTheClown]

Re: I love Starblayde's original response

And Busty, I've been in China. They really don't bind feet anymore. You are begining to sound like DCL's alter ego even though you profess to love p_p_man. So I assume you may be...

Lol thank you for the insight SIN... I appreciate you informing me that I was outdated. Believe me, I didn't do it on purpose -- I didn't think Chinese did that anymore, but I was on a roll last night.

Whatever you were getting at with the DCL and p_p_man comment flew right over my head. Well, it more like hit me on the forehead a bit and *then* flew all the way over...

 

[Astro]

Charm_Brights we only removed the countries right to kill traitors a year or so ago to be able to adopt the European Bill of Human Rights.

And not all of us think it's wrong. Why keep a murderer, a rapist and child abuser in prison. living of the state for the rest of their lives? I can think of a much better use for that money - the NHS for example, our school for another.

All religions which have at their core the believe that they are right and everyone else is wrong will cause trouble between their believers. Judiasm, Islam and Christianity are the big three that have caused deaths through the years. It was wrong to allow those girls to die, it was wrong to fight the Crusades, it was wrong to kill Jews in Nazi occupied Europe and it was wrong to kill women because people thought they might be Witches.

Busty you called letting those people die was a 'relatively heartless act' what the hell do u call a very heartless act?

 

[AngelHeart]

We do not sanction the state murder of individuals

I also live in the UK and this is true unfortunately!

We used to hang 'em high until the liberals took over.

Now the fuckin country is run by traitors and left wing wankers.

 

[VanB]

It's an interesting thread.

Who of you has actually lived in Saudi Arabia and seen the Mutaween at work first hand as I have. I'm afraid that the Mutaween are religious police, their raison d'etre is to uphold the teaching of the Koran and maintain the warped moral rectitude as they interpret it from the Koran.

A nastier more vicious bunch of thugs would be hard to imagine.

This is a culture where the pilot of 747 allowed his entire complement of passengers and crew to burn to death on the runway because he wouldn't depressurise the cabin. He decided it was Allah's will.

It is very difficult to defend a culture that is based on the vicious subjugation of it's citizens in the name of religion, that is 100% mysogonistic and yet allows its leaders and self appointed royalty to behave like drunken playboys without so much as a whispered criticism.

 

[pyramider]

We have known that the Saudis have been champions of human-rights vilations and not just against women.
Everybody in this administration (in USA) walks on egg-shells around the sensibilities of the Saudis and only God knows why (and maybe oil companies.)
There is nothing in Islam as a religion that justifies this insanity and many other insane atrocities committed in amny countries in the name of God.
The victims or organised religion are afr more than those of organized crime. Just study the history of Christianity (especially in Europe) Christianity, in most part, evolved and grew out of this fanaticism and blind-faith stage but then it had 600 years over Islam. Many Muslim scholars are aware that Islam needs reforming. Actually Islam varies widely between islamic countries that we can not blame the religion. We need however to look very closely at those swethearts in Saudi Arabia and some Gulf countries. Saudi Arabia is more oppresive than Afghanistan in certain areas and women there are not treated any better than under the Taliban; but it is amazing how oil lubes up American feelings.

 

[Jimi]

It's an interesting thread.

Who of you has actually lived in Saudi Arabia and seen the Mutaween at work first hand as I have. I'm afraid that the Mutaween are religious police, their raison d'etre is to uphold the teaching of the Koran and maintain the warped moral rectitude as they interpret it from the Koran.

A nastier more vicious bunch of thugs would be hard to imagine.

This is a culture where the pilot of 747 allowed his entire complement of passengers and crew to burn to death on the runway because he wouldn't depressurise the cabin. He decided it was Allah's will.

It is very difficult to defend a culture that is based on the vicious subjugation of it's citizens in the name of religion, that is 100% mysogonistic and yet allows its leaders and self appointed royalty to behave like drunken playboys without so much as a whispered criticism.

Ahhh... The sons of Abd'ul Aziz ibn Saud - God rot them! to use a Jacobean epithet...

 

[CelestialBody]

 

[VanB]

Ahhh... The sons of Abd'ul Aziz ibn Saud - God rot them! to use a Jacobean epithet...

And their entourage of good-for-nothing sadistic hangers-on

 

[Cheyenne]

This seems to fit with my earlier thread re lack of respect for human life.

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71768

 

[bored1]

From the news:


Last week, a fire swept through an overcrowded school in Mecca. The Saudi religious police, known as the mutaween, or by their official name, the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice, prevented firemen from rescuing the schoolgirls. Why? Because the clothed girls weren't wearing the headscarves and cloaks required for women in public.

According to one witness, the police told rescuers, "It is sinful to approach them." So, to protect the delicate sensibilities of everyone involved, the police tried to lock the gates and let the children burn. Three policemen beat a girl who tried to escape. Fifteen girls died, most of them crushed in the panicked stampede to escape.


Yes folks, these is just the sort of "cultural diversity" I want to see in my country. After all, they are acting in the name of God. Who can fault them?

In a moral atmosphere of 'varying shades of grey' we have to excuse this kind of behavior as culturally correct. After all, they may be right.

Jump in here ppman and back me up.

Ishmael

Its all about tolarence Were supposed to be tolarent of these animals in the name of diversity...Funny how they dont have to be tolarent of our culture...........Where is it that they circumcuse women? Sudan?Would you liberals tolerate that in the name of diversity?Or do you want to pick and choose whats acceptable? Check out the picture on Reuters of the mans head laying in the middle of the street in Israel..Gruesome stuff.....He looks tolarent....

 

[Jimi]

This seems to fit with my earlier thread re lack of respect for human life.

http://www.literotica.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71768

Yup, and bored1's comments re: female mutilation - We've got FAR too many Somalis here in Canada that do not wish to assimilate or participate... Beatiful people externally - but Imaan is right - her people need to be re-educated about the value of "uncut" and un-shackled women in a Western milieu!

 

[pyramider]

In fighting monsters we can very easily become monsters ourselves. How can we KILL OFF A CULTURE without killing too many people. Dehumanizing them is not the way to solve this. Indeed the US government support the ruling class in this particular country and others.
Arabs and Muslins cintributed to the development of human civilization for many decades when Europe was in the Dark Ages.
Insulting and "killing off a culture" is as insane as the actions youe deplore. Not to mention that they just might kill you first, or too many of us. There has to be a better way, it involves thinking not knee jerking and killing off people which by the ay is called genocide.
And what will become of us when there are no longer any Barbarians,
And we discover the Barbarians, after being the problem, became the solution,
And we are the New barbarians..

 

[Ishmael]

Huhhhhhhhh???????/

In fighting monsters we can very easily become monsters ourselves. How can we KILL OFF A CULTURE without killing too many people. Dehumanizing them is not the way to solve this. Indeed the US government support the ruling class in this particular country and others.
Arabs and Muslins cintributed to the development of human civilization for many decades when Europe was in the Dark Ages.
Insulting and "killing off a culture" is as insane as the actions youe deplore. Not to mention that they just might kill you first, or too many of us. There has to be a better way, it involves thinking not knee jerking and killing off people which by the ay is called genocide.
And what will become of us when there are no longer any Barbarians,
And we discover the Barbarians, after being the problem, became the solution,
And we are the New barbarians..

The most sophmoric load of 'feel good' shit I've read in a while. Go back to PCU. Or better yet, go tell these fucking animals how much you love them and appreciate the contribution that they are making to world culture.

Apparenty you have as much a clue about killing a culture as others around here. Seem to think that it's genocide, or something equivelant.

Grow up.

Ishmael

 

[bored1]

In fighting monsters we can very easily become monsters ourselves. How can we KILL OFF A CULTURE without killing too many people. Dehumanizing them is not the way to solve this.

How do you dehumanize a group of people who dont act within the accepted norms of human behavior?

 

[pyramider]

Ishmail
We are suppose to be the civilized ones. If you have nothing but insults to those who disagree with your opinions then you are not worth talking to.
I have no intention of telling the saudis anything positive and I deplore their antics and their system like any decent human being should. However, the contribution of Arabs and Muslinms to civilization is a matter of record and you want to kill off this civilization. Your anger is directed towards all Muslims, some are not even Arabs. (What the Somalis in canada have to do with this thread?)
Wxplain to us ordinary mortals then your final solution as to how to kil a cicvilzation. You apparently have an idea in mind that does not involve killing many people (most are innnocent.) So please tell us.

I would do anything to change Saudi Arabia b/c it does need changing and it is an autocratic society with a very corrupt ruling family and warped interpretations of everything. I would start by prssuring my government to object to their human-rights viloations, they need us too.
We in North America have an obligation. At this point in history we are the new Rome and that comes with obligations, one of which is to set the standard in human behavior. Actions of killing and projecting total and uncondiyional hatred of whole peoples is not anything we should be part of or be proud of.

 

[Ishmael]

Wake up

Ishmail
We are suppose to be the civilized ones. If you have nothing but insults to those who disagree with your opinions then you are not worth talking to.
I have no intention of telling the saudis anything positive and I deplore their antics and their system like any decent human being should. However, the contribution of Arabs and Muslinms to civilization is a matter of record and you want to kill off this civilization. Your anger is directed towards all Muslims, some are not even Arabs. (What the Somalis in canada have to do with this thread?)
Wxplain to us ordinary mortals then your final solution as to how to kil a cicvilzation. You apparently have an idea in mind that does not involve killing many people (most are innnocent.) So please tell us.

I would do anything to change Saudi Arabia b/c it does need changing and it is an autocratic society with a very corrupt ruling family and warped interpretations of everything. I would start by prssuring my government to object to their human-rights viloations, they need us too.
We in North America have an obligation. At this point in history we are the new Rome and that comes with obligations, one of which is to set the standard in human behavior. Actions of killing and projecting total and uncondiyional hatred of whole peoples is not anything we should be part of or be proud of.

You accuse me of 'hatred' of the Moslem's. Based on what evidence? None. None at all.

Like many others here, you seem to have absolutely no concept of what it takes to kill off a culture. In the minds of some it is an assumption (assume = ass of you and me) that I am speaking of genocide. Even though I have proclaimed otherwise on more than one occasion.

The cannibals of Borneo are no longer cannibals and the head hunters of the Amazon are not longer head hunters. The Hindus now regularly educate their daughters. These were all profound cultural changes, and they did not envolve the extermination of the members of that culture. Were there deaths of individuals involved? To be sure, but very little as compared to the general population.

The Moslem world has contributed little, if anything at all, to world culture since 1000 AD +/- a few years. Their contributions during the European 'dark ages' is, and has been, acknowledged, in writing by yours truly, if you had bothered to read the threads.

People, and cultures, are judged by their behavior today, not what they've done in the past. One cannot use past performance as a counter-balance to current atrocities. A corrolary would be to aquit Andrea Yates because she was an 'A' student in high school. It is not an excuse, or a reason not to profoundly alter current behavior. And to profoundly alter cultural behavior is the same as "killing" the culture that currently exists. In other words, the behavior is so altered that, while one may still recognize the vestiges of what came before, the 'before and after' are so profoundly changed that one cannot equate the behavior.

The biggest problem with the 'fundamentalist' movement is that it is rooted in their religion. A body of teaching that encourages the practice of self-death (suicide) as a means of obtaining salvation as long as that death envolves that taking of lives of infidels or barbarians, with no distiction as to the innocence of said victims. A religion so ridged that the deaths of their own is of no consequence, particularly if these fellow citizens have somehow violated a nebulous precept of an arbitrary religious concept.

Others have attacked me concerning my feelings towards a culture that practices these atrocities. Most notably CelestialBody, who went off on another thread, and then managed to cite all of the instances whereby the core religious Mopslem culture over threw every attempt to modify and modernize itself. I coudn't have done a better job.

A culture that holds these tennants to be true is anathema to the modern world and must be eliminated. You, and others, have 'assumed' that my only solution is genocide. You are wrong.

Ishmael

 

[pyramider]

I haven't read your past threads and was answering what I read here. How do you suppose we can do this masive behvior modification. I was not aware that you have people attacking you for other threads either. I just have a life outside reading threads and I don't need you to tell me to grow up; that was totally out of line.
I don't disagree with some of what you say, I just don't find any justification for your angry language.
I think you are intelligent with some good ideas but unable to explain them clearly.
Oerhaps later we can exchange ideas whe I grow up and you come back from nger managent.

 

[pyramider]

Anger management that is- sorry for the typos.

 

[Ishmael]

There ya go again.

Accusing me of anger, when what you are seeing is frustration with the "apologists" for a culture that is engaged in acts that cannot be justified under any circumstances.

There is NO moral equivalence between our support of Isreal and 9/11. None at all.

I do NOT have to understand, and empathize, with a man that wants to kill me. My only means of survival is to render him incapable of the act. If that means that I have to kill him first, sobeit. That is the fact of the matter. There is no reasoning with a mad man that has a gun to your head.

Quite frankly, I'm amazed at Isreal's forbearance, and ours for that matter.

Europe now has a huge Moslem population, so they tremble in fear. In the hopes that their own indigenous populations do not re-enact 9/11 on their own soil. All in all, pretty pathetic.

Soooooooooooo, there is very little for me to understand. I understand that they want to kill me and my fellow countrymen and women. Not for anything that we've done, but for the simple reason that we are infidels and citizens of the United States. I have no interest in seeing that happen.

When faced with a life or death situation, one does not sit around and intellectualize the motives of the would be murderers. One acts, or one dies. I choose to act.

Ishmael