Hunting

[rcfstl]

I will be anxious to see if the Grizzlies continue their come back in the coming years, I actually ran into a wolf in the Yaak River Basin in NW Montana and it was one of the coolest things in my life.

The managed hunt that comes to mind for me is when the Bison come out of Yellowstone and they shot them in knee deep snow there is about much skill in that as going to the zoo and shooting a zebra

 

[Slowlane]

it almost offsets the time and money it takes to clean up their pollution they leave behind when they go back to the suburbs.......

Yep, I was replying to you.

 

[mansome]

Yep, I was replying to you.

hmm.. so you disagree with me that hunters pollute and destroy the land?

 

[mansome]

Well what a coincidence... "Bowling for Columbine" is on right now.. I think I'll watch it.. Never seen it.... It starts out with Michael Moore going to a Bank In Michigan where when he opens up an account he gets a free gun.......

this is gonna be good

 

[mansome]

Wow.. this movie is awesome.. only 10 minutes into it... these people have no idea how stupid they sound.. Moore's not twisting their words.. he's editing but the words they say are just hilarious.. pathetically hilarious.....

 

[rcfstl]

hmm.. so you disagree with me that hunters pollute and destroy the land?

I disagree with that.

 

[Slowlane]

hmm.. so you disagree with me that hunters pollute and destroy the land?

No I don’t disagree. I’m saying that they are no worse than some Kayakers or even hikers and photographers. But, they have to pay for theirs through license fees and they pay for the others as well.


Managed hunts.

Not my cup of tea, but sometimes the best way to go. A fellow I know was in Africa recently. While there he was on a big game list. The deal was that if there was a rogue animal within a certain area while he was there, for a fee he could shoot it. It would have been a managed hunt. Instead of the government paying to have the animal destroyed, they got paid by someone else to do it. As it turned out there was no such opportunity.

He did get to kill about two hundred monkeys in some farmer’s cornfield. I don’t know how needed it was so I can’t comment on that, But he thought it was funny. Killing is NEVER funny. I said I know the guy, I didn’t say I like him.

 

[marshalt]

I'd go hunting if I could go to one of those places that just sort of drags the cornfed buck out in front of the heated hunting stand. But that getting up at 4 in the morning, walking a million miles in knee high snow? No fucking thank you.

 

[marshalt]

hmm.. so you disagree with me that hunters pollute and destroy the land?

Hunters have done more for land and species management than those nut-job enviromentalists could ever hope to do by putting some dyke with hairy legs up in a tree.

 

[Slowlane]

I will be anxious to see if the Grizzlies continue their come back in the coming years, I actually ran into a wolf in the Yaak River Basin in NW Montana and it was one of the coolest things in my life.

The managed hunt that comes to mind for me is when the Bison come out of Yellowstone and they shot them in knee deep snow there is about much skill in that as going to the zoo and shooting a zebra

I have seen two grizzlies, and lots of black bears and more than a few wolves. I doubt that the Grizzly or the wolves will be allowed to spread very far. The ranchers will have a fit.

Several of us tried to get the ranchers in Colorado to reintroduce wolves using the argument that they would reduce the coyote population. And, that if the wolves did get to be a problem, they were wiped out once and could be again. It was close, but in the end no cigar.

 

[Guest]

Why do I hunt?

Venison is one of the healthiest meats on the planet, it is delicious, low cholestoral, low fat and contains none of the steroids and medicines found in beef, chicken, turkey, etc.

buffalo is also healthy and tastes better than venison.

 

[kbate]

buffalo is also healthy and tastes better than venison.

Taste is opinion, but the day my farm is overrun with buffalo I'll start shooting them too.

 

[Slowlane]

Hunters have done more for land and species management than those nut-job enviromentalists could ever hope to do by putting some dyke with hairy legs up in a tree.

In India, the hunting preserves that caused such a fit when the British started them, are about the only places in the country with wild tigers. Sometimes hunters are the only environmentalists to be had.

 

[Cheyenne]

I have seen two grizzlies, and lots of black bears and more than a few wolves. I doubt that the Grizzly or the wolves will be allowed to spread very far. The ranchers will have a fit.

Several of us tried to get the ranchers in Colorado to reintroduce wolves using the argument that they would reduce the coyote population. And, that if the wolves did get to be a problem, they were wiped out once and could be again. It was close, but in the end no cigar.

We have coyote warnings around here for people with cats and small dogs. The coyote is common in our suburbs. We have wolves in the state, but mostly in the north. We DID have a black bear walk right into the city though and climb a tree next to a major highway. That made the news for the day as the officials tried to figure out how to get it back out of town.

 

[Slowlane]

We have coyote warnings around here for people with cats and small dogs. The coyote is common in our suburbs. We have wolves in the state, but mostly in the north. We DID have a black bear walk right into the city though and climb a tree next to a major highway. That made the news for the day as the officials tried to figure out how to get it back out of town.

Minnesota? That’s the only Midwest state that I can think of that would, for sure, have wolves. That is where I saw all of mine, years ago I lived up north. Out here no one warns you about coyotes. It’s assumed that if you leave your pets outside something might eat them, coyotes, bears (not so much) and in some areas mountain lions. Eagles will even take cats and small dogs.

 

[captain snakebite]

... it's very silly to see how worked up people get at something that's so easy............not a challenging "sport" at all in my book...

...a bit like baseball then..?

 

[rcfstl]

where I grew up they used to close the doors on the north side of the school so the Fish and Wildlife guys could use tranq guns to shot the Black bear yearlings out of the trees on the edge of the campus. and we used to get high on watch the deer eat the hay out of my grandfathers fields ( Well I think they were deer I was pretty high)

 

[mansome]

...a bit like baseball then..?

baseball sux too....

although the skill set needed to play at the highest level is quite discernable from those just starting..

where as there is no big difference in the skill set needed between a novice hunter and one that's been doing it for years

 

[Cheyenne]

Minnesota? That’s the only Midwest state that I can think of that would, for sure, have wolves. That is where I saw all of mine, years ago I lived up north. Out here no one warns you about coyotes. It’s assumed that if you leave your pets outside something might eat them, coyotes, bears (not so much) and in some areas mountain lions. Eagles will even take cats and small dogs.

Nope, but close.

 

[Slowlane]

Nope, but close.

In my day the ONLY population of wolves in the continental US was in northern Minnesota. (My age is showing)

 

[Riles]

I have no problem with hunting. The majority of the hunters that come onto our property for deer and turkey season are respectful of our wishes that they 1) ask permission and park their trucks at the farm instead of driving into our fields and bush and 2) respect the boundaries we've put up with our fencing and do not pursue an animal into our cattles' domain.

As far as hunters being a distructive force to nature, I'd have to say for the most part that's false around here. All the hunters we've been involved with are involved in some sort of environmental groups like Hunters and Anglers, and do more than their part to ensure that people are educated and respectful about our wildlife.

It's always been the "great white hunters" fresh from the city that come into our county with their 4x4's, their beer coolers and the vision of trophies dancing in their heads that cause us problems.

 

[blackopal19]

To add my two cents.

I come from a very rural area where some families still depend on venison and other wild meats for their main source of protein. I consider it both a sport and a necessity of life. Deer populations are exploding in growth, and hunting provides a way to maintain the herds to a reasonable amount that the land can sustain.

And for a true hunter, they don't take the beer with them up in the deer stands. But it is true that many drink afterwards at night. For my family its a time to get together, to see family and friends. We have big meals with everybody, etc. My highschool had the entire week off just because so many families depended on the season for their meat supply.

There is some sport to it. The shows on t.v. show only huge bucks taken easily. In reality, it is hard to find a huge buck with a nice rack. So of course there will be some jubiliation if a hunter bags one. Also, it takes patience. Loads of it. You can sit there for hours not seeing a thing, only to have a nice animal come into veiw, but you're unable to move cause the local chickadee flock has decided to use your gun and shoulders as a perch. Also, I've never used the high power scopes, just the tradition bead at the end of the barrel. To make a good accurate shot with one of these does take a bit of skill.

by the way, wisconsin does have wolves too, but only in the northern parts. wyoming has wolves as well too.

 

[Actually_]

Hunting to decrease surplus populations, which endanger the environment and their species, is fine by me.

I only wish that, using this logic, it was also legal to shoot hicks.

Actually, I am not a hick.