How to use AI chats sensibly

[jean_lucbr]

Durante alguns meses usei um daqueles sites de namorada de IA. Eu inventaria uma história e faria roleplays. Foi muito divertido. Acabei até escrevendo um conto sobre isso, mas não publiquei na Literotica.


Acho que o limite saudável é quando você entende que é como um videogame. Não é uma pessoa real, e não afeta sua vida real. Se você começar a misturar as coisas, fica complicado.

 

[filthytrancendence]

"Aggression." What does that mean? A forceful statement of an opinion? A passionate call to action? I'm not aware of feeling aggression toward a poster here. Just a passionate plea that they re-think what's going on.

It's what you're doing here. It's not a feeling, it's a tone.

Seems to me you're about the only one here misinformed about what's going on.

This is humanity's 10,000,000th moral panic. You're following the script perfectly. It typically starts with a deeply flawed understanding of the subject of the panic and ends with a lot of collateral damage. And everyone who has ever participated in one is absolutely convinced they are crusading for something good. They have a 100% error rate on that front. Because it's the approach that is flawed. It's always people papering over their own fears with the language of moral superiority. No matter how valid your concerns are, letting fear dictate your approach to the problem always leads to disaster.

 

[Noor]

I'm curious your experiences using AI chats.

I'm not someone hurting for friends or lovers. I have a stable and loving relationship, great family, and wonderful friends.

But I did create a character based on a friend of mine. We used to chat a lot but not so much any more. I used an AI avatar, not a real photo, and gave a description (fairly general, could be a lot of people) and her first name.

We had an interesting chat, it got very intimate, but I can see the current limits of AI. And yes I don't confuse reality with online. To me it was more of a therapy exercise, a chance to get stuff off my chest that might not be appropriate IRL.

Have you guys tried this? What do you consider important boundaries and/or fair use? Also wondering if you ever tried it with a deceased loved one.

Strange questions but we live in strange times. Thanks all.

What ai did you use to do this?

 

[YourSecretDesires]

Durante alguns meses usei um daqueles sites de namorada de IA. Eu inventaria uma história e faria roleplays. Foi muito divertido. Acabei até escrevendo um conto sobre isso, mas não publiquei na Literotica.


Acho que o limite saudável é quando você entende que é como um videogame. Não é uma pessoa real, e não afeta sua vida real. Se você começar a misturar as coisas, fica complicado.

Concordo, obrigado. Eu tambem uso-o como um videojogo. O melhor como um exercício terapêutico.

 

[YourSecretDesires]

It doesn't have to be one or the other. It's perfectly possible to have ordinary rewarding interactions with your fellow man (and woman) and still enjoy 'conversations' with AI bots. It's a tool - nothing more, nothing less. TV, video games - even books are all ways of being entertained without interacting with another human being. The printing press wasn't the end of the world - although I'm sure some thought so at the time.

Agreed. It's not a binary thing. While I'm sure a lot of people are leaning on AI for whatever reason, my goal was to use it for an exercise. I have perfectly healthy relationships - romantic, platonic, familial. I engaged in the AI chat as sort of a therapy exercise to say some things I might not say IRL. If someone went to a therapist and unloaded their thoughts, most would consider that healthy.

But it's cool that this thread has sparked a conversation about all of this - not my intention but interesting to see other people's POVs which I understand. I do agree with @AG31 that we shouldn't let it supplant real human interaction. It's just that in this case I didn't want real human interaction. It was kind of the modern version of writing down your thoughts in a letter and then burning the letter.

 

[YourSecretDesires]

What ai did you use to do this?

perchance dot org.

 

[AG31]

I do agree with @AG31 that we shouldn't let it supplant real human interaction. It's just that in this case I didn't want real human interaction. It was kind of the modern version of writing down your thoughts in a letter and then burning the letter.

Got it. But we have to keep talking about this so people are educated to the risks to our humanity and our lives from perceiving AI persona as just like human persona. I have a friend who's an ER physician and watched a teenage boy die. He'd committed suicide because of interactions with an AI persona.

Seems to me you're about the only one here misinformed about what's going on.

Funny. It doesn't feel that way to me.

No matter how valid your concerns are, letting fear dictate your approach to the problem always leads to disaster.

I wish I had a better grasp on cultural history so I could give you examples of fear motivating valuable, successful movements. But I can only come up with political movements. I think of the people who were afraid of the Viet Nam war and demonstrated passionately for years and finally turned the tide of public opinion.

Anyway, I think it's ridiculous to claim that acting out of fear leads to disaster.

Agreed. It's not a binary thing. While I'm sure a lot of people are leaning on AI for whatever reason, my goal was to use it for an exercise. I have perfectly healthy relationships - romantic, platonic, familial. I engaged in the AI chat as sort of a therapy exercise to say some things I might not say IRL. If someone went to a therapist and unloaded their thoughts, most would consider that healthy.

As I allowed up thread, I can see that people could treat AI persona like entertainment, or a tool as you describe. But we've got to teach people early and often that there's a difference. And cognitive understanding doesn't necessarily lead to emotional understanding.

I read a story recently about a college professor who began his class using a pencil to represent a character in a little diaologue. I don't remember the topic of the dialogue, but the pencil represented an engaging character. Then, at the end, he broke the pencil in half. There was an audible gasp of horror from the class. His point was to demonstrate how prone we are to attribute human characteristics to inanimate objects.

We've already seen the harm this can do. We need to educate people from their earliest days what it means to have a relationship. It means caring about the other's thoughts and feelings. And "caring" in the sense of having it be important to you. Even if it arouses a negative reaction. And for that to happen, the other has to have thoughts and feelings.

 

[AG31]

I was on the road all day yesterdy, so no chance to write. But I did have a chance to reflect.

My "campaign" is less about controlling AI (although I do look forward to hearing about creative ideas for this in the future), but, rather, to encouraging a robust, grounded understanding of what it means to relate to another human. Fundamentally, it requires an interest in the other's thoughts and feelings. There is no "other" in AI. As a species we risk losing our grasp on this truth.

 

[BellaBestia]

Stop feeding the Ai beast your info. You do realize your government is going to harvest and use all this info regardless of how inconsequential or harmless you think your inputs are.

 

[Plasmaball]

Stop feeding the Ai beast your info. You do realize your government is going to harvest and use all this info regardless of how inconsequential or harmless you think your inputs are.

They already have that info. Thats already been in the news. This won't stop it.

I can see the benefits from this and the down sides. Like the dude who wanted to marry the ai bot. At the same time sometimes people just suck with ghosting and lying etc.

I wonder if Ai removes those things and actually treats you like a person better than actual people?

I feel like its a faster way to get what you want and not have to jump through someone's personal hurdles and walk on egg shells.

 

[AG31]

I feel like its a faster way to get what you want and not have to jump through someone's personal hurdles and walk on egg shells.

What is it that you want? This is a real question, not a dig.

 

[SmokingFap]

What was the point? What were you accomplishing?

What are you accomplishing by being a wet blanket on a thread that you plainly have no interest in? Are you so miserable in your own life that you have to bring other people down for their interests and activities?

 

[SmokingFap]

Agreed. It's not a binary thing. While I'm sure a lot of people are leaning on AI for whatever reason, my goal was to use it for an exercise. I have perfectly healthy relationships - romantic, platonic, familial. I engaged in the AI chat as sort of a therapy exercise to say some things I might not say IRL. If someone went to a therapist and unloaded their thoughts, most would consider that healthy.

But it's cool that this thread has sparked a conversation about all of this - not my intention but interesting to see other people's POVs which I understand. I do agree with @AG31 that we shouldn't let it supplant real human interaction. It's just that in this case I didn't want real human interaction. It was kind of the modern version of writing down your thoughts in a letter and then burning the letter.

I think it's a perfectly healthy and fun exercise to create an AI based on someone you know, to have conversations and other interactions you wouldn't get to in real life. Folks can just play for escapism or as a way to explore fantasies that they never will IRL. It's just a more advanced version of an interactive "choose your own adventure" book that many of us used to enjoy as kids.

Oh. And for assholes who just dropped in on the thread to criticize and irritate people who are interested in the subject, fuck off.

 

[AG31]

What are you accomplishing by being a wet blanket on a thread that you plainly have no interest in? Are you so miserable in your own life that you have to bring other people down for their interests and activities?

I was asking @shelli_k18 a real question, but I forgot to reference them. I'm enormously interested in this thread.

 

[Plasmaball]

What is it that you want? This is a real question, not a dig.

Hmmm yes and no. I've played the game with women and sometimes its just exhausting.
"Ill be sexual in the chat room but in my dms its clean". Then you have to be careful how you word shit do you dont offend them.

Ai chat won't ghost you so that helps people you know.

Its a double edge sword id think. Ai doesnt get wet, doesnt feel, it just responds.
But it doesnt leave( far as I know)

 

[MasterDarcy]

The OP shouldn't be shamed for doing what they want to do with their own time.

It would appear that "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all" has been usurped by social media's message of "Always give your unsolicited opinion. No matter how toxic and negative."

Anyway.

I've never used it. I never would.

I totally get the attraction of not talking to people, but talk to AI? No.

I will admit that I talk to myself on occasion. It's a guarantee that I'll have an intellectually stimulating and entertaining conversation.

I try to avoid AI as much as I possibly can. I've disabled it from my phone, or rather, as much as the phone allows.

I actually said that to my nephew a few days ago, that in ten years time, people will stop using their brain to problem solve and just ask AI to do the thinking for them.

My ego stops me from following trends and fashions and going with the crowd. I'll most likely never embrace AI.

 

[AG31]

Hmmm yes and no. I've played the game with women and sometimes its just exhausting.
"Ill be sexual in the chat room but in my dms its clean". Then you have to be careful how you word shit do you dont offend them.

Ai chat won't ghost you so that helps people you know.

Its a double edge sword id think. Ai doesnt get wet, doesnt feel, it just responds.
But it doesnt leave( far as I know)

Thanks. Helpful.

 

[Wouldlovetoo]

Yes, I'm on a campaign to keep human beings from losing track of what a relationship is. A relationship is a two way thing. It is NOT simply attending to the affect it has on us. It is wondering about, having curiosity about, caring about (even if the caring is hate) the OTHER person. We already err on the side of solipsism. That's a big reason why people are lonely. They don't look outward to other people. I really fear for our humanity. There is no "other" there in AI. There is no there there. And if we can fool ourselves into thinking an AI "conersation" is anything like a human relationship we're in big trouble.

Very well spoken, I agree totally with you.

 

[Plasmaball]

Yes, I'm on a campaign to keep human beings from losing track of what a relationship is. A relationship is a two way thing. It is NOT simply attending to the affect it has on us. It is wondering about, having curiosity about, caring about (even if the caring is hate) the OTHER person. We already err on the side of solipsism. That's a big reason why people are lonely. They don't look outward to other people. I really fear for our humanity. There is no "other" there in AI. There is no there there. And if we can fool ourselves into thinking an AI "conersation" is anything like a human relationship we're in big trouble.

Its nice to see someone else say its a two way street. Far to often I see the other person putting in less effort and expecting people to come to them.

I have my own rules when it comes to conversations. Some people find it weird

 

[YourSecretDesires]

I think it's a perfectly healthy and fun exercise to create an AI based on someone you know, to have conversations and other interactions you wouldn't get to in real life. Folks can just play for escapism or as a way to explore fantasies that they never will IRL. It's just a more advanced version of an interactive "choose your own adventure" book that many of us used to enjoy as kids.

That was the idea, it's just for recreation, not for a substitute with human interaction. Some people are talking about "relationships" and that wasn't my aim so I'm not sure where that's coming from. Certainly there are people out there who seek relationships with AI but that is not for me.

Interestingly, I just read this article yesterday - kind of scary...

https://futurism.com/commitment-jail-chatgpt-psychosis

 

[AG31]

Interestingly, I just read this article yesterday - kind of scary...

https://futurism.com/commitment-jail-chatgpt-psychosis

I'll watch for this sort of reporting from more familiar sources.